The current state of sport simulation games
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@Bounceman75 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
Instead of you having Elon Musk money we should see if he would make a baseball game. I mean the dude figured out how to land rockets on their own and cars that drive themselves while (mostly) not hitting things. He could probably hack out a hitting engine in a few hours.
Ha that would be great. Elon is great because he doesn't see problems but challenges and has the money to make it happen. I'm not sure how much he cares about gaming though.
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@mitchhammond24 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@EncinoMan_TV said in The current state of sport simulation games:
This game is awesome!
You don’t even play online gtfoh
Mantle in 14 days
Trout in 1 minute
All Bosses collected ....almost every Card in the game
over 1.4 Milly stubs.
You GTFOH bruh and cry me a river ...go play Mine Sweeper
Took this pic for you .... https://twitter.com/YogaFireGaming/status/1301598226420699136?s=20
This game is awesome !!!!!!
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@EncinoMan_TV said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@mitchhammond24 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@EncinoMan_TV said in The current state of sport simulation games:
This game is awesome!
You don’t even play online gtfoh
Mantle in 14 days
Trout in 1 minute
All Bosses collected ....almost every Card in the game
over 1.4 Milly stubs.
You GTFOH bruh and cry me a river ...go play Mine Sweeper
Took this pic for you .... https://twitter.com/YogaFireGaming/status/1301598226420699136?s=20
This game is awesome !!!!!!
I asked you a question that I'm legitimately curious about though.
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@Bounceman75 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
Instead of you having Elon Musk money we should see if he would make a baseball game. I mean the dude figured out how to land rockets on their own and cars that drive themselves while (mostly) not hitting things. He could probably hack out a hitting engine in a few hours.
I like how you think LOL
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Totally agree with op unfortunately this is what we get with no competition in the market...like you said. We can only hope for a revamped product when this game goes multi-platform next year. With the new console generation just around the corner I don't expect anything changing much until then. One thing is for certain in my mind though until this business model proves to be ineffective because people stop shoveling $ into the machine this is what we're going to get.
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@raesONE said in The current state of sport simulation games:
I wish I had resources like Elon Musk and take the industry head on.
I will be happy to invest my $99 2021 MLB the Show fee into your new company.
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@EncinoMan_TV said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@mitchhammond24 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@EncinoMan_TV said in The current state of sport simulation games:
This game is awesome!
You don’t even play online gtfoh
Mantle in 14 days
Trout in 1 minute
All Bosses collected ....almost every Card in the game
over 1.4 Milly stubs.
You GTFOH bruh and cry me a river ...go play Mine Sweeper
Took this pic for you .... https://twitter.com/YogaFireGaming/status/1301598226420699136?s=20
This game is awesome !!!!!!
K but u don’t play h2h, which is what most people consider “online”
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@arvcpa said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@raesONE said in The current state of sport simulation games:
I wish I had resources like Elon Musk and take the industry head on.
I will be happy to invest my $99 2021 MLB the Show fee into your new company.
Appreciate that, gotta start somewhere!
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@EncinoMan_TV Just for the record, I’m not impressed with your team or stub count.. I could easily get any card in the game if I wanted to. Doesn’t mean [censored].. you don’t have any ranked games played team is irrelevant to this discussion
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@mitchhammond24 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@EncinoMan_TV Just for the record, I’m not impressed with your team or stub count.. I could easily get any card in the game if I wanted to. Doesn’t mean [censored].. you don’t have any ranked games played team is irrelevant to this discussion
I agree. I don't judge people who play offline only, but you can't objectively judge the game that way.
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@raesONE said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@EncinoMan_TV said in The current state of sport simulation games:
This game is awesome!
What do you like about it the most? Can you give me like a top 3 of things that make you say it's awesome?
@EncinoMan_TV still patiently waiting for your input.
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This topic is a tough issue for me because there games are incredible, and I mean that from the perspective of someone who grew up playing sports games in the 90's. I couldn't of comprehended something like the show while I was playing rbi baseball.
That being said I get all the frustrations with today's games and agree with many of the complaints listed in previous posts.
Something I might add is the impact YouTubers have had on sports sims in my opinion. I feel the impact has been mostly negative, especially in games like 2k and Madden. A lot of players now just try and learn the exploits which leads to frustrating and repetitive online gameplay.
My hope is we see a big jump in gameplay on the next gen.
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@t8nts_Windchill said in The current state of sport simulation games:
This topic is a tough issue for me because there games are incredible, and I mean that from the perspective of someone who grew up playing sports games in the 90's. I couldn't of comprehended something like the show while I was playing rbi baseball.
That being said I get all the frustrations with today's games and agree with many of the complaints listed in previous posts.
Something I might add is the impact YouTubers have had on sports sims in my opinion. I feel the impact has been mostly negative, especially in games like 2k and Madden. A lot of players now just try and learn the exploits which leads to frustrating and repetitive online gameplay.
My hope is we see a big jump in gameplay on the next gen.
Fair points. YouTubers surely don't help because they actively market and encourage the whole microtransactions culture with pack openings and always having the most stacked teams ever. I mean that more in regard to Madden and NBA2K as well, because like I said earlier anyone can have a stacked team in MLBTS.
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This is content wise - The stubs situation has been a big W for me this year. I refuse to put money into stubs and there have been plenty of stubs to go around, without playing the market, which is another thing I find too boring to do. Compare that to 2k or even The Show 17 and it's something that's kept me in the game this year. I hope that doesn't change when it goes cross platform and potentially to a more mass audience that can be fleeced for stubs.
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@shuker23 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
This is content wise - The stubs situation has been a big W for me this year. I refuse to put money into stubs and there have been plenty of stubs to go around, without playing the market, which is another thing I find too boring to do. Compare that to 2k or even The Show 17 and it's something that's kept me in the game this year. I hope that doesn't change when it goes cross platform and potentially to a more mass audience that can be fleeced for stubs.
I am happy with that part as well - the content and the stub situation. But at the end of the day the gameplay mechanics will always be most important and it has been seriously lacking/not making progress and that hurts the franchise more than any content can ever make up for.
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I do see where you are coming from, but I don't think that The Show is even in the same ballpark of shame as Madden and FIFA - which is much worst gameplay wise than it was a decade ago. I think you're going to struggle with a sim concept for baseball, because I'm not sure it would be fun and it certainly wouldn't be fun for people that aren't us (e.g. people that have played for a while). Nobody would hit a ball. There are obvious frustrations, which I hope they fix/improve, but with the other games I've mentioned they've actually mailed in the gameplay and it is WORSE than it used to be.
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@shuker23 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
I do see where you are coming from, but I don't think that The Show is even in the same ballpark of shame as Madden and FIFA - which is much worst gameplay wise than it was a decade ago. I think you're going to struggle with a sim concept for baseball, because I'm not sure it would be fun and it certainly wouldn't be fun for people that aren't us (e.g. people that have played for a while). Nobody would hit a ball. There are obvious frustrations, which I hope they fix/improve, but with the other games I've mentioned they've actually mailed in the gameplay and it is WORSE than it used to be.
I agree that Madden and Fifa or any other EA product is worse. But the evolution of MLB The Show has come to an unnecessary standstill, they can innovate in so many areas but they intentionally choose to play it safe and stick with what they know. There's a Japanese baseball game on the market, Healy has made some videos about it on YouTube, which is not how I envision MLBTS should be but it does put you out of your comfort zone and opens your eyes to how a baseball game could be developed differently. I highly suggest you go check one of those videos just to get an idea of what it looks like. Now again, I'm not advocating them to go that direction but it is refreshing to see things handled way differently as I do feel that game is more up to date technically than the current day MLBTS mechanics.
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@raesONE said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@shuker23 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
This is content wise - The stubs situation has been a big W for me this year. I refuse to put money into stubs and there have been plenty of stubs to go around, without playing the market, which is another thing I find too boring to do. Compare that to 2k or even The Show 17 and it's something that's kept me in the game this year. I hope that doesn't change when it goes cross platform and potentially to a more mass audience that can be fleeced for stubs.
I am happy with that part as well - the content and the stub situation. But at the end of the day the gameplay mechanics will always be most important and it has been seriously lacking/not making progress and that hurts the franchise more than any content can ever make up for.
The stub situation I do agree with if your ok with grinding forever, but to me they haven't added content. A different version of the same card isn't content to me - adding on to what was there in a game mode is new content. But instead they remove numerous things that they already had, so your removing content and all you added was a card to generate stub purchases. 5 different Smoltz cards isn't content - that's slightly upgrading a players stats to entice someone to spend more cash to get the slightly better card that will be replaced in a month to repeat the cycle. Adding a stadium creator, bringing back and upgrading online franchise, franchise contracts and the ability to set prices on concessions,etc were all removed. What actual content besides cards have they added in years?
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@baboonishace said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@raesONE said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@shuker23 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
This is content wise - The stubs situation has been a big W for me this year. I refuse to put money into stubs and there have been plenty of stubs to go around, without playing the market, which is another thing I find too boring to do. Compare that to 2k or even The Show 17 and it's something that's kept me in the game this year. I hope that doesn't change when it goes cross platform and potentially to a more mass audience that can be fleeced for stubs.
I am happy with that part as well - the content and the stub situation. But at the end of the day the gameplay mechanics will always be most important and it has been seriously lacking/not making progress and that hurts the franchise more than any content can ever make up for.
The stub situation I do agree with if your ok with grinding forever, but to me they haven't added content. A different version of the same card isn't content to me - adding on to what was there in a game mode is new content. But instead they remove numerous things that they already had, so your removing content and all you added was a card to generate stub purchases. 5 different Smoltz cards isn't content - that's slightly upgrading a players stats to entice someone to spend more cash to get the slightly better card that will be replaced in a month to repeat the cycle. Adding a stadium creator, bringing back and upgrading online franchise, franchise contracts and the ability to set prices on concessions,etc were all removed. What actual content besides cards have they added in years?
You know what, you're actually 100% correct. When I referred to content I meant player cards which obviously don't mean Jack in comparison to what you refer to.
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@raesONE said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@baboonishace said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@raesONE said in The current state of sport simulation games:
@shuker23 said in The current state of sport simulation games:
This is content wise - The stubs situation has been a big W for me this year. I refuse to put money into stubs and there have been plenty of stubs to go around, without playing the market, which is another thing I find too boring to do. Compare that to 2k or even The Show 17 and it's something that's kept me in the game this year. I hope that doesn't change when it goes cross platform and potentially to a more mass audience that can be fleeced for stubs.
I am happy with that part as well - the content and the stub situation. But at the end of the day the gameplay mechanics will always be most important and it has been seriously lacking/not making progress and that hurts the franchise more than any content can ever make up for.
The stub situation I do agree with if your ok with grinding forever, but to me they haven't added content. A different version of the same card isn't content to me - adding on to what was there in a game mode is new content. But instead they remove numerous things that they already had, so your removing content and all you added was a card to generate stub purchases. 5 different Smoltz cards isn't content - that's slightly upgrading a players stats to entice someone to spend more cash to get the slightly better card that will be replaced in a month to repeat the cycle. Adding a stadium creator, bringing back and upgrading online franchise, franchise contracts and the ability to set prices on concessions,etc were all removed. What actual content besides cards have they added in years?
You know what, you're actually 100% correct. When I referred to content I meant player cards which obviously don't mean Jack in comparison to what you refer to.
yeah most people when they refer to content are talking about cards, to me I just don't see that as content for the game. I like the new cards and everything but it can't replace actually upgrading the modes that you have in your game. It just seems like that is what every sports game does now is removed features to focus on cards and cards alone
