Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102
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@Serrato32 said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Here you guys go... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQgHKYRpi9o
Walter Johnson 93.2
Bob Feller 107.6
Nolan Ryan 108.5If you believe this guys math.
I don't think it's quite as simple as he makes it the math out to be, Walter Johnson threw a very different baseball then we have today, it was much harder to throw that baseball as fast.
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@eatyum said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
@Serrato32 said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Here you guys go... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQgHKYRpi9o
Walter Johnson 93.2
Bob Feller 107.6
Nolan Ryan 108.5If you believe this guys math.
I don't think it's quite as simple as he makes it the math out to be, Walter Johnson threw a very different baseball then we have today, it was much harder to throw that baseball as fast.
Maybe, but the math measures an object thrown by a pitcher and how fast it traveled 50 ft, regardless of whether it was a baseball or a golf-ball.
As far as I know, baseballs have had about the same measurements since the early 1900's. So the differences couldn't have been that substantial. If you accept the math gives you a frame reference, it serves its purpose.
All I'm saying is Walter Johnson wasn't exactly throwing a wiffle ball.
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@Serrato32 said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
@eatyum said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
@Serrato32 said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Here you guys go... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQgHKYRpi9o
Walter Johnson 93.2
Bob Feller 107.6
Nolan Ryan 108.5If you believe this guys math.
I don't think it's quite as simple as he makes it the math out to be, Walter Johnson threw a very different baseball then we have today, it was much harder to throw that baseball as fast.
Maybe, but the math measures an object thrown by a pitcher and how fast it traveled 50 ft, regardless of whether it was a baseball or a golf-ball.
As far as I know, baseballs have had about the same measurements since the early 1900's. So the differences couldn't have been that substantial. If you accept the math gives you a frame reference, it serves its purpose.
All I'm saying is Walter Johnson wasn't exactly throwing a wiffle ball.
Actually, baseballs in the early 1900's during Walter's early days were all different, (And by that I mean literally, no two baseballs were generally alike). There wasn't a standard size or measurement. The balls were much softer as well. They generally started to take more of the shape we know today as his career went on, but there were still a lot of differences.
There wasn't a standardized ball until 1934
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@ImDFC said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Well WTF why doesn't my Sig Series Ryan throw 108
This right here. They changed how pitches were measured with speed guns after Ryan and it's been estimated his fastball reached 108 by today's measurements, so give him 108!
But leave his control alone so you get the occasional 108 in the ear.
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There’s a really good documentary called “Fastball” about this. Johnson likely threw around 96, but I’m okay with his legendary FB getting outlier.
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IIRC baseballs back then were thicker and a bit heavier too.
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@ImDFC said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Well WTF why doesn't my Sig Series Ryan throw 108
Who'd be able to hit it? with the framrate and latency issues this game has it be in the catchers glove before you saw him throw it( and that's with perfect frames and no lag)
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Yeah they have said nolan ryan threw the hardest fastball!! And who knows 100% how hard or fast walter johnson really threw!! At the time he threw the hardest in the majors! Its a video game give him 100mph! Why not?
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@eatyum said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
It's funny how people just assume that because its' an old pitcher, they "barely" threw 90. Then post on the forum about it insinuating that SDS doesn't know baseball when in fact they are the ignorant ones.
Boom goes the dynamite 🧨
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Ty Cobb on Walter Johnson
“On August 2, 1907, I encountered the most threatening sight I ever saw in the ball field. He was a rookie, and we licked our lips as we warmed up for the first game of a doubleheader in Washington. Evidently, manager Pongo Joe Cantillon of the Nats had picked a rube out of the cornfields of the deepest bushes to pitch against us. He was a tall, shambling galoot of about twenty, with arms so long they hung far out of his sleeves, and with a sidearm delivery that looked unimpressive at first glance. One of the Tigers imitated a cow mooing, and we hollered at Cantillon: ‘Get the pitchfork ready, Joe—your hayseed’s on his way back to the barn.’
“The first time I faced him, I watched him take that easy windup. And then something went past me that made me flinch. The thing just hissed with danger.”
After the game, Cobb had nothing but praise for Johnson, saying, “We couldn’t touch him … every one of us knew we’d met the most powerful arm ever turned loose in a ball park.”
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@squishiesgirl said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
@feistyflamingo1 said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102, he probably MAYBE topped 90. And that’s all I have to say.
The velocity in the game is adjusted for the time period that he played
Exactly lol...humans evolve if the OP doesn't realize that!
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@FirecamX said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Ty Cobb on Walter Johnson
“On August 2, 1907, I encountered the most threatening sight I ever saw in the ball field. He was a rookie, and we licked our lips as we warmed up for the first game of a doubleheader in Washington. Evidently, manager Pongo Joe Cantillon of the Nats had picked a rube out of the cornfields of the deepest bushes to pitch against us. He was a tall, shambling galoot of about twenty, with arms so long they hung far out of his sleeves, and with a sidearm delivery that looked unimpressive at first glance. One of the Tigers imitated a cow mooing, and we hollered at Cantillon: ‘Get the pitchfork ready, Joe—your hayseed’s on his way back to the barn.’
“The first time I faced him, I watched him take that easy windup. And then something went past me that made me flinch. The thing just hissed with danger.”
After the game, Cobb had nothing but praise for Johnson, saying, “We couldn’t touch him … every one of us knew we’d met the most powerful arm ever turned loose in a ball park.”
That’s cool. Makes me want Ty Cobb. Like now on my team.
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@allmustfall16 said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
@eatyum said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
It's funny how people just assume that because its' an old pitcher, they "barely" threw 90. Then post on the forum about it insinuating that SDS doesn't know baseball when in fact they are the ignorant ones.
Boom goes the dynamite 🧨
I believe SDS knows exactly what it’s doing!! They just don’t give a [censored] what you or I or any other sucker who bought the game thinks about it!! It’s their game and they will do as they darn please!!!
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@eatyum said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
@Serrato32 said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Here you guys go... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQgHKYRpi9o
Walter Johnson 93.2
Bob Feller 107.6
Nolan Ryan 108.5If you believe this guys math.
I don't think it's quite as simple as he makes it the math out to be, Walter Johnson threw a very different baseball then we have today, it was much harder to throw that baseball as fas
This. Jack Nicklaus had very different clubs and most importantly golf balls in the 1960s.
Walter Hagen and Bobby Jones played with far inferior equipment much earlier.
I think the issue is given whatever athlete from the past brought to the present with current equipment. -
@olivegarden2 said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
@squishiesgirl said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
@feistyflamingo1 said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102, he probably MAYBE topped 90. And that’s all I have to say.
The velocity in the game is adjusted for the time period that he played
Exactly lol...humans evolve if the OP doesn't realize that!
We could debate that claim. Equipment has certainly evolved.
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Johnson once struck out Ruth with 3 fastballs and both Ruth and the umpire said they couldn’t see the ball.
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@FirecamX said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Ty Cobb on Walter Johnson
“The first time I faced him, I watched him take that easy windup. And then something went past me that made me flinch. The thing just hissed with danger.”
That was one of my favorite parts from the Ken Burns Baseball documentary... what a gem that was. Anyone who loves baseball and hasn't seen that (and has roughly 18 hours to spare) should do themselves a favor and watch it.
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The way they treat golden era pitchers is fine. They all have reputations, and they use those reputations in a modern context. Walter Johnson was baseball's first flamethrower, so he's going to throw fire. If Velocities were 100% accurate, nobody would use any of these old pitchers
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@PhatWhiteOwl said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
@Serrato32 said in Walter Johnson didn’t throw 102:
Here you guys go... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQgHKYRpi9o
Walter Johnson 93.2
Bob Feller 107.6
Nolan Ryan 108.5If you believe this guys math.
Cool video.
This is a documentary called Fastball
