Predict your teams record here and why
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Pujols - 144 career wRC+, 87.7 fWAR
Trout - 172 career wRC+, 73.4 fWAR (obviously on a legendary trajectory)
Manny - 153 career wRC+, 66.3 fWAR
Cabrera - 146 career wRC+, 70.6 fWAR
Schmidt - 147 career wRC+, 106.5 fWAR
Schmidt is absolutely in that conversation as best right-handed hitter since the mid 70's.. literally right in line. And because of his defense, as one of the best players period since that time.
Trout is on an otherworldly trajectory.
Pujols slowed down to a crawl, but so did Miggy and Schmidt. They all do..And ya, Brett is definitely top 5 greatest 3B... After Schmidt, you can put him, Chipper, Mathews, Boggs, and even Beltre in any position 2-6.. it's close.
Anyways, my point was Schmidt was in that mix, and stats prove it. He's right in line with hitting, and crushes them overall, because of his elite defense
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Predict your teams record here and why:
Pujols - 144 career wRC+, 87.7 fWAR
Trout - 172 career wRC+, 73.4 fWAR (obviously on a legendary trajectory)
Manny - 153 career wRC+, 66.3 fWAR
Cabrera - 146 career wRC+, 70.6 fWAR
Schmidt - 147 career wRC+, 106.5 fWAR
Schmidt is absolutely in that conversation as best right-handed hitter since the mid 70's.. literally right in line. And because of his defense, as one of the best players period since that time.
Trout is on an otherworldly trajectory.
Pujols slowed down to a crawl, but so did Miggy and Schmidt. They all do..And ya, Brett is definitely top 5 greatest 3B... After Schmidt, you can put him, Chipper, Mathews, Boggs, and even Beltre in any position 2-6.. it's close.
Anyways, my point was Schmidt was in that mix, and stats prove it. He's right in line with hitting, and crushes them overall, because of his elite defense
Trout is still in his prime
Manny was a cheater allowing him to sustain it for longer
Pujols and Cabrera have taken a big hit on those numbers for several years. These two haven't put up good numbers for what, 3 years now for Cabrera and like 6 for Pujols? Subtract those years and I will bet they are pretty close to trout for wRC+.
Schmidt was the best 3rd baseman of all time which says a lot.Brett is a close 2nd though. -
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Predict your teams record here and why:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Predict your teams record here and why:
Pujols - 144 career wRC+, 87.7 fWAR
Trout - 172 career wRC+, 73.4 fWAR (obviously on a legendary trajectory)
Manny - 153 career wRC+, 66.3 fWAR
Cabrera - 146 career wRC+, 70.6 fWAR
Schmidt - 147 career wRC+, 106.5 fWAR
Schmidt is absolutely in that conversation as best right-handed hitter since the mid 70's.. literally right in line. And because of his defense, as one of the best players period since that time.
Trout is on an otherworldly trajectory.
Pujols slowed down to a crawl, but so did Miggy and Schmidt. They all do..And ya, Brett is definitely top 5 greatest 3B... After Schmidt, you can put him, Chipper, Mathews, Boggs, and even Beltre in any position 2-6.. it's close.
Anyways, my point was Schmidt was in that mix, and stats prove it. He's right in line with hitting, and crushes them overall, because of his elite defense
Trout is still in his prime
Manny was a cheater allowing him to sustain it for longer
Pujols and Cabrera have taken a big hit on those numbers for several years. These two haven't put up good numbers for what, 5 years now? Subtract those years and I will bet they are pretty close to trout for wRC+.
Schmidt was the best 3rd baseman of all time which says a lot.Brett is a close 2nd though.Manny was a cheat. I agree. He was an incredible bat though, no denying that. From the moment he arrived.
And Pujols and Miggy took a big hit, correct. Pujols for 6+ years now..
Miggy for only 3...Should that help their case?? No.
Schmidt put up monster seasons just like they did, and finished with the same wRC+ for his career as them. If you subtract any of these guys bad years, they would be near trout. You can't cherry pick seasons to make a case here.And no, Brett is not a close 2nd. He's no where near Schmidt.
Schmidt had over 20 fWAR more than him. Light years more valuable defensively, and better offensively (147 to 132 wRC+).
For accolades too.
Schmidt was a 3 time MVP, 1 time WS champ.
Brett a 1 time mvp, 1 time WS champ.Brett is grouped together with Mathews, Boggs, Chipper and Beltre.. no where near Schmidt.
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WAR is the most overrated stat ever. Largely dependent on your backup.
Schmidt was a career .267 hitter with a strikeout almost once every 5 plate appearances. Terrific player, all time great, HOF, best 3rd baseman but not the hitter Pujols and Cabrera was in their prime imo.
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Predict your teams record here and why:
WAR is the most overrated stat ever. Largely dependent on your backup.
Schmidt was a career .267 hitter with a strikeout almost once every 5 plate appearances. Terrific player, all time great, HOF, best 3rd baseman but not the hitter Pujols and Cabrera was in their prime imo.
The most overrated stat you just used, after calling WAR that. AVG..
It's not 1985 anymore. We understand value more today, and WAR encompasses that.. the other stat I used wRC+ perfectly illustrates my point, and if you think that's overrated too, then you know nothing about baseball but what the back of an 80's Topps baseball card tells you.Schmidt was better in almost every way than Brett and it shows in every intelligent, encompassing metric. That's not a knock on Brett, who was an absolute legend. You're just comparing him to the greatest.
My favorite quote about how Schmidt played the game. "He could play the piano, and move it too".
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Predict your teams record here and why:
WAR is the most overrated stat ever. Largely dependent on your backup.
Schmidt was a career .267 hitter with a strikeout almost once every 5 plate appearances. Terrific player, all time great, HOF, best 3rd baseman but not the hitter Pujols and Cabrera was in their prime imo.
Btw your explanation of WAR is dead wrong. It's dependant on your peers in the same time. What better way to compare. And considering Schmidt and Brett played literally at the same time, it's a perfect comparison
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I believe I did say Schmidt was the best 3rd baseman of all time. I still don't think he was a better hitter than Pujols or Cabrera in their prime.
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Predict your teams record here and why:
I believe I did say Schmidt was the best 3rd baseman of all time. I still don't think he was a better hitter than Pujols or Cabrera in their prime.
You said Brett was a close 2nd, which I believe I proved you completely wrong..
And in their prime, Pujols had a bigger peak offensively yes. It lasted a decade... But fell off completely where Schmidt did not.
Miggy no. Schmidt had just as good of a prime offensively.
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Apparently Posey is the latest player to say no to playing this year.
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Cal Ripken Jr was a pretty good hitter in his own right during that time period as well.
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@theCRIMSON_4_2_0 said in Predict your teams record here and why:
Yankees look strong but their schedule is tough. 36-24 if they stay healthy. This thread has me excited for some baseball!!!!
20 out of their last 24 games are against sub 500 opponents from last year
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@BIGHOOV2713 said in Predict your teams record here and why:
Cal Ripken Jr was a pretty good hitter in his own right during that time period as well.
Absolutely!! But he was amazing compared to other SS in his time. Not compared to these guys. Ripken got his value from his defense and WAR compares him to his peers.
He's only a 112 OPS+ hitter for instance. Great hitter for a SS.. but doesn't come close to Pujols, Manny, Schmidt or Miggy
His best season was 162 OPS+ in '91..That's these guys average year lol
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