Dale Murphy
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He had a Rookie Catcher card in 17, but unfortunately did not have Catcher as his secondary on his SS last year. So I don’t think he will.
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@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
He is the fourth best brave of all time behind Hank Aaron, Warren Spahn, and eddie matthews. I guess you could put chipper and glavine ahead of him but that is a toss up to me.
Maybe you can include one of the greatest pitchers ever as well, not just Braves pitchers, in Gregg Maddux?
I don't really include guys that were signed as free agents. Maddux is a better all time player than murph of course. I know others will include him and that is cool. He just isn't on my list.
Ah, so you were just including home grown Braves? Got ya. I can respect that. But man, you had the best pitcher I ever seen. I am only 43 so I didnt see or remember anyone before the late 80's into the 90's. But Maddux was a master. I would probably go maddux, R Johnson and Pedro as my top 3 SP I ever seen.
I guess I was lucky. I saw Koufax, Drysdale, Sutton, Marichal, Ryan and a few others pitch in their prime. I’m quite a bit older than you. One guy that probably no one had ever heard of or remember Is a guy who pitched for the Reds in the 60’s named Jim Maloney. This guy threw gas and I mean he hit 100 when no one else was touching that mark. Arm injury derailed his career.
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@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
Has SDS ever given murph a secondary of c? He played a lot of his earlier years at that position. They are giving phantom pitches to cards that never used those pitches and kyle gets secondary of c and he has never actually caught in game before. I don't see why they wouldn't give him one.
Dale Murphy spent his rookie season as catcher before he was moved to first base and then eventually the outfield!!! He was moved because he was too tall and couldn’t control his throwing arm. Dale Murphy is in no way a catcher For a secondary position. I remember how bad he was at that position.
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@PhatWhiteOwl said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
Has SDS ever given murph a secondary of c? He played a lot of his earlier years at that position. They are giving phantom pitches to cards that never used those pitches and kyle gets secondary of c and he has never actually caught in game before. I don't see why they wouldn't give him one.
Murph never played catcher, even in the early days of his career. The Mets gave him a look in LF, never catcher.
Wrong my man,, he played catcher as a rookie. I think you are thinking of daniel murphy. I am talking about the legend that is dale murphy.
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@PhatWhiteOwl said in Dale Murphy:
@foge011 said in Dale Murphy:
@PhatWhiteOwl said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
Has SDS ever given murph a secondary of c? He played a lot of his earlier years at that position. They are giving phantom pitches to cards that never used those pitches and kyle gets secondary of c and he has never actually caught in game before. I don't see why they wouldn't give him one.
Murph never played catcher, even in the early days of his career. The Mets gave him a look in LF, never catcher.
Wrong Murphy, there talking about Dale not Daniel
My bad.
dang i didn't get far enough down...
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@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
He is the fourth best brave of all time behind Hank Aaron, Warren Spahn, and eddie matthews. I guess you could put chipper and glavine ahead of him but that is a toss up to me.
Maybe you can include one of the greatest pitchers ever as well, not just Braves pitchers, in Gregg Maddux?
I don't really include guys that were signed as free agents. Maddux is a better all time player than murph of course. I know others will include him and that is cool. He just isn't on my list.
Ah, so you were just including home grown Braves? Got ya. I can respect that. But man, you had the best pitcher I ever seen. I am only 43 so I didnt see or remember anyone before the late 80's into the 90's. But Maddux was a master. I would probably go maddux, R Johnson and Pedro as my top 3 SP I ever seen.
Maddux was great especially at pitching to contact. The problem tho is when it came to the playoffs, his stuff didn't translate. He couldn't get the break on the pitches late in the season. Avery, smoltz and even millwood were much better in the playoffs. Glavine was ok in the playoffs but again he just didn't have swing and miss stuff. My top 3 are martinez, kevin brown(yep i said it. he was nasty for about 3 years.), and santanna. Good list.. i am 42 so not much older than me... lol..
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@TEXAS10PT said in Dale Murphy:
@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
He is the fourth best brave of all time behind Hank Aaron, Warren Spahn, and eddie matthews. I guess you could put chipper and glavine ahead of him but that is a toss up to me.
Maybe you can include one of the greatest pitchers ever as well, not just Braves pitchers, in Gregg Maddux?
I don't really include guys that were signed as free agents. Maddux is a better all time player than murph of course. I know others will include him and that is cool. He just isn't on my list.
Ah, so you were just including home grown Braves? Got ya. I can respect that. But man, you had the best pitcher I ever seen. I am only 43 so I didnt see or remember anyone before the late 80's into the 90's. But Maddux was a master. I would probably go maddux, R Johnson and Pedro as my top 3 SP I ever seen.
I guess I was lucky. I saw Koufax, Drysdale, Sutton, Marichal, Ryan and a few others pitch in their prime. I’m quite a bit older than you. One guy that probably no one had ever heard of or remember Is a guy who pitched for the Reds in the 60’s named Jim Maloney. This guy threw gas and I mean he hit 100 when no one else was touching that mark. Arm injury derailed his career.
Yeah you got to see some of the all timers. I got to see clemens, gooden, orel(who was filthy when he was younger) and a few other all time greats in the 80's but only clemens compares to those guys. It's a shame sandy didn't stay healthy.
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In 17 and 18 his Rookie card was Primary C.
Also in 17 his BO card had a secondary C.
Those are the only 2 i know of.
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@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
He is the fourth best brave of all time behind Hank Aaron, Warren Spahn, and eddie matthews. I guess you could put chipper and glavine ahead of him but that is a toss up to me.
Maybe you can include one of the greatest pitchers ever as well, not just Braves pitchers, in Gregg Maddux?
I don't really include guys that were signed as free agents. Maddux is a better all time player than murph of course. I know others will include him and that is cool. He just isn't on my list.
Ah, so you were just including home grown Braves? Got ya. I can respect that. But man, you had the best pitcher I ever seen. I am only 43 so I didnt see or remember anyone before the late 80's into the 90's. But Maddux was a master. I would probably go maddux, R Johnson and Pedro as my top 3 SP I ever seen.
Maddux was great especially at pitching to contact. The problem tho is when it came to the playoffs, his stuff didn't translate. He couldn't get the break on the pitches late in the season. Avery, smoltz and even millwood were much better in the playoffs. Glavine was ok in the playoffs but again he just didn't have swing and miss stuff. My top 3 are martinez, kevin brown(yep i said it. he was nasty for about 3 years.), and santanna. Good list.. i am 42 so not much older than me... lol..
Yeah but that isnt true. His numbers were great in the PS. His team just couldnt do anything. Plus he won 4 straight Cy Youngs and top 5 in 7 straight seasons. He was easily the top 3 pitchers of all time. I cannot really throw in the old names seriously because of the difference in times.
Also Gregg maddux in the PS:
Well, for one, he won 4 straight Cy Youngs before he even got to pitch in the PS lol.But in 95: he had a 4.50 ERA in NLDS, 1.13 ERA in NLCS and 2.25 in WS. 19 k's 7 bb's. Just fine numbers there. Walks were high though for him.
In 96: 0.00 ERA, 2.51 ERA and 1.72 ERA 22 k's and 3 bb. Amazing.
In 97: 2.57 ERA and 3.00 ERA 8 k's and 3 bb's. Not great but not bad. Maybe not good for HoF'er though.
In 99: 2.57 ERA 1.93 ERA and 2.57 ERA 17 k's and 9 bb's. Really surprised at his K's and bb's number this year but didnt allow many runs so he did great.
Then he had like 4 or 5 starts total in the years after these seasons when the Braves were pretty much getting eliminated in first round and his numbers werent great at 35 years +, but he had overall a very good PS career. And from 1995-2000 was dominate. His later years hurt his overall numbers a bit.
Steve Avery wasnt as good. In a much smaller sample size of course. During that time neither was Smoltz. Even though Smoltz was pretty good with the Braves in the early 90's PS.
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@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
@ChuckCLC said in Dale Murphy:
@bwheel1977 said in Dale Murphy:
He is the fourth best brave of all time behind Hank Aaron, Warren Spahn, and eddie matthews. I guess you could put chipper and glavine ahead of him but that is a toss up to me.
Maybe you can include one of the greatest pitchers ever as well, not just Braves pitchers, in Gregg Maddux?
I don't really include guys that were signed as free agents. Maddux is a better all time player than murph of course. I know others will include him and that is cool. He just isn't on my list.
Ah, so you were just including home grown Braves? Got ya. I can respect that. But man, you had the best pitcher I ever seen. I am only 43 so I didnt see or remember anyone before the late 80's into the 90's. But Maddux was a master. I would probably go maddux, R Johnson and Pedro as my top 3 SP I ever seen.
Maddux was great especially at pitching to contact. The problem tho is when it came to the playoffs, his stuff didn't translate. He couldn't get the break on the pitches late in the season. Avery, smoltz and even millwood were much better in the playoffs. Glavine was ok in the playoffs but again he just didn't have swing and miss stuff. My top 3 are martinez, kevin brown(yep i said it. he was nasty for about 3 years.), and santanna. Good list.. i am 42 so not much older than me... lol..
Yeah but that isnt true. His numbers were great in the PS. His team just couldnt do anything. Plus he won 4 straight Cy Youngs and top 5 in 7 straight seasons. He was easily the top 3 pitchers of all time. I cannot really throw in the old names seriously because of the difference in times.
Also Gregg maddux in the PS:
Well, for one, he won 4 straight Cy Youngs before he even got to pitch in the PS lol.But in 95: he had a 4.50 ERA in NLDS, 1.13 ERA in NLCS and 2.25 in WS. 19 k's 7 bb's. Just fine numbers there. Walks were high though for him.
In 96: 0.00 ERA, 2.51 ERA and 1.72 ERA 22 k's and 3 bb. Amazing.
In 97: 2.57 ERA and 3.00 ERA 8 k's and 3 bb's. Not great but not bad. Maybe not good for HoF'er though.
In 99: 2.57 ERA 1.93 ERA and 2.57 ERA 17 k's and 9 bb's. Really surprised at his K's and bb's number this year but didnt allow many runs so he did great.
Then he had like 4 or 5 starts total in the years after these seasons when the Braves were pretty much getting eliminated in first round and his numbers werent great at 35 years +, but he had overall a very good PS career. And from 1995-2000 was dominate. His later years hurt his overall numbers a bit.
Steve Avery wasnt as good. In a much smaller sample size of course. During that time neither was Smoltz. Even though Smoltz was pretty good with the Braves in the early 90's PS.
I am a braves homer. I never felt comfortable with maddox on the mound in a pressure game. He could do ok in game 3 or maybe even game one but never a game 5 or game 7. Smoltz was a completelely different animal. He is considered one the best post season pitchers of all time so i am not sure if you are saying maddox was better in the PS? If you are then i don't know how you came to that conclusion. Smoltz was 15 and 4 with a 2.67 era in the post season and really should have had more wins if the braves could have just scored some in the earlier ws starts. Smoltz is probably the second best post season pitcher of all time behind marino rivera. Bob gibson could be ahead of him too but gibson didn't make the playoffs that many times so i don't really put him above him.
Steve avery for about 3 years was lights out in the playoffs. Him and smoltz would win their games and then maddox and glavine would lose theirs or the bullpen(which was god awful most of their run) would blow starter's leads. Avery would have been better than glavine if he could had stayed healthy but it wasn't meant to be. Glavine and maddox are better all time pitchers than smoltz(glavine may be same tier tbh), but smoltz was just head and shoulder a better money pitcher. Maddox would also be hidden in the playoffs. He would only make one start in most series and maddox is always going to be better than a fourth or 5th option on another team. I know you probably looked at baseball reference and looked at stats but stats in this case lie. Maddox as a braves fan just made us nervous in PS. Smoltz on the mound and we would be cocky as heck lol.
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