Bo Jackson
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@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
It wouldn't be that bad of a card, low contact, high power, strong arm, good speed, low vision, low discipline. His accumulated stats didnt look good because he never played a full season. In 89 he may have had a chance at 40/40 club but only played 135 games. Slugged .523 in 1990.
I think the card would be a lot of fun, but no mistake about it. He was a better football player than baseball, but a better baseball player than Deion Sanders.
This actually isn't true. If he didn't play football, he would have been a borderline hof baseball player. He was only getting better and was already one of the top players in 89. Football was his 3rd best sport behind track and baseball.
You are making a projection, yes he got better, but I can show you a dozen guys who looked like they were getting better only to fall back down to earth. You can only look at what he did not what he could have done, and he accomplished more on the football field than the baseball diamond at the professional level.
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@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
It wouldn't be that bad of a card, low contact, high power, strong arm, good speed, low vision, low discipline. His accumulated stats didnt look good because he never played a full season. In 89 he may have had a chance at 40/40 club but only played 135 games. Slugged .523 in 1990.
I think the card would be a lot of fun, but no mistake about it. He was a better football player than baseball, but a better baseball player than Deion Sanders.
This actually isn't true. If he didn't play football, he would have been a borderline hof baseball player. He was only getting better and was already one of the top players in 89. Football was his 3rd best sport behind track and baseball.
You are making a projection, yes he got better, but I can show you a dozen guys who looked like they were getting better only to fall back down to earth. You can only look at what he did not what he could have done, and he accomplished more on the football field than the baseball diamond at the professional level.
i think if you are talking college then i would agree. Professionally tho he was just a really good rb and maybe even all pro. Baseball he was a top 10 player for 2 years until the other sport took his legs. I know he gets more credit for football for the heisman but he was a better baseball player than football player. He just had more tools to offer when it comes to speed, arm, and power. He was also cutting the strike outs back.
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@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
It wouldn't be that bad of a card, low contact, high power, strong arm, good speed, low vision, low discipline. His accumulated stats didnt look good because he never played a full season. In 89 he may have had a chance at 40/40 club but only played 135 games. Slugged .523 in 1990.
I think the card would be a lot of fun, but no mistake about it. He was a better football player than baseball, but a better baseball player than Deion Sanders.
This actually isn't true. If he didn't play football, he would have been a borderline hof baseball player. He was only getting better and was already one of the top players in 89. Football was his 3rd best sport behind track and baseball.
You are making a projection, yes he got better, but I can show you a dozen guys who looked like they were getting better only to fall back down to earth. You can only look at what he did not what he could have done, and he accomplished more on the football field than the baseball diamond at the professional level.
i think if you are talking college then i would agree. Professionally tho he was just a really good rb and maybe even all pro. Baseball he was a top 10 player for 2 years until the other sport took his legs. I know he gets more credit for football for the heisman but he was a better baseball player than football player. He just had more tools to offer when it comes to speed, arm, and power. He was also cutting the strike outs back.
In the NFL he was averaging 5 yards a carry, he was splitting time with Allen and missing games because of baseball. I am going off the eye ball test. Watching both as it happened, I was way more impressed with what I saw him do on the football field than what I saw him do on the baseball Diamond. 3 out of his 4 season he had the longest run of anyone in the league. 91, 92, 88 yards. 2 of those years he had Barry Sanders in the league with him.
You were projecting on what he could have done in baseball if he hadn't gotten hurt. Project what he would have done in football in just the 4 seasons he played if he didnt miss nearly half the season due to baseball, and even when he was playing he still was not getting a full work load. Those numbers he put up he did it averaging around 10 to 15 carries a game.
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@VEGAS__T said in Bo Jackson:
If they do they add him, I hope they include his running up the outfield wall animation after a catch...
That.........would be awesome!! Also throw in snapping the bat like a twig.
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@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
It wouldn't be that bad of a card, low contact, high power, strong arm, good speed, low vision, low discipline. His accumulated stats didnt look good because he never played a full season. In 89 he may have had a chance at 40/40 club but only played 135 games. Slugged .523 in 1990.
I think the card would be a lot of fun, but no mistake about it. He was a better football player than baseball, but a better baseball player than Deion Sanders.
This actually isn't true. If he didn't play football, he would have been a borderline hof baseball player. He was only getting better and was already one of the top players in 89. Football was his 3rd best sport behind track and baseball.
You are making a projection, yes he got better, but I can show you a dozen guys who looked like they were getting better only to fall back down to earth. You can only look at what he did not what he could have done, and he accomplished more on the football field than the baseball diamond at the professional level.
i think if you are talking college then i would agree. Professionally tho he was just a really good rb and maybe even all pro. Baseball he was a top 10 player for 2 years until the other sport took his legs. I know he gets more credit for football for the heisman but he was a better baseball player than football player. He just had more tools to offer when it comes to speed, arm, and power. He was also cutting the strike outs back.
I respectfully disagree. To be honest, you got it backwards. Bo was an elite football player! He was a just above average good baseball player with very unique gifts that could’ve allowed him to become an elite baseball player. An accurate card of Bo would read something like this: 70 contact, 105 power, 65 fielding (he was not an elite outfielder) 99 arm (dude had a cannon), 99 speed (fastest player in the game).
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@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
It wouldn't be that bad of a card, low contact, high power, strong arm, good speed, low vision, low discipline. His accumulated stats didnt look good because he never played a full season. In 89 he may have had a chance at 40/40 club but only played 135 games. Slugged .523 in 1990.
I think the card would be a lot of fun, but no mistake about it. He was a better football player than baseball, but a better baseball player than Deion Sanders.
This actually isn't true. If he didn't play football, he would have been a borderline hof baseball player. He was only getting better and was already one of the top players in 89. Football was his 3rd best sport behind track and baseball.
You are making a projection, yes he got better, but I can show you a dozen guys who looked like they were getting better only to fall back down to earth. You can only look at what he did not what he could have done, and he accomplished more on the football field than the baseball diamond at the professional level.
i think if you are talking college then i would agree. Professionally tho he was just a really good rb and maybe even all pro. Baseball he was a top 10 player for 2 years until the other sport took his legs. I know he gets more credit for football for the heisman but he was a better baseball player than football player. He just had more tools to offer when it comes to speed, arm, and power. He was also cutting the strike outs back.
In the NFL he was averaging 5 yards a carry, he was splitting time with Allen and missing games because of baseball. I am going off the eye ball test. Watching both as it happened, I was way more impressed with what I saw him do on the football field than what I saw him do on the baseball Diamond. 3 out of his 4 season he had the longest run of anyone in the league. 91, 92, 88 yards. 2 of those years he had Barry Sanders in the league with him.
You were projecting on what he could have done in baseball if he hadn't gotten hurt. Project what he would have done in football in just the 4 seasons he played if he didnt miss nearly half the season due to baseball, and even when he was playing he still was not getting a full work load. Those numbers he put up he did it averaging around 10 to 15 carries a game.
I watched it as it happened too. I am not projecting. He literally was top 5 rb in the league at the time and shared time with another top 10 rb. He was never a top 10 football player. He was an exciting football player and great niche guy. He was a top 10-15 baseball player for 2 years. I am not projecting him as that. He was that.
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@mjfc_363 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
It wouldn't be that bad of a card, low contact, high power, strong arm, good speed, low vision, low discipline. His accumulated stats didnt look good because he never played a full season. In 89 he may have had a chance at 40/40 club but only played 135 games. Slugged .523 in 1990.
I think the card would be a lot of fun, but no mistake about it. He was a better football player than baseball, but a better baseball player than Deion Sanders.
This actually isn't true. If he didn't play football, he would have been a borderline hof baseball player. He was only getting better and was already one of the top players in 89. Football was his 3rd best sport behind track and baseball.
You are making a projection, yes he got better, but I can show you a dozen guys who looked like they were getting better only to fall back down to earth. You can only look at what he did not what he could have done, and he accomplished more on the football field than the baseball diamond at the professional level.
i think if you are talking college then i would agree. Professionally tho he was just a really good rb and maybe even all pro. Baseball he was a top 10 player for 2 years until the other sport took his legs. I know he gets more credit for football for the heisman but he was a better baseball player than football player. He just had more tools to offer when it comes to speed, arm, and power. He was also cutting the strike outs back.
I respectfully disagree. To be honest, you got it backwards. Bo was an elite football player! He was a just above average good baseball player with very unique gifts that could’ve allowed him to become an elite baseball player. An accurate card of Bo would read something like this: 70 contact, 105 power, 65 fielding (he was not an elite outfielder) 99 arm (dude had a cannon), 99 speed (fastest player in the game).
I disagree about him not being an elite outfielder. He could get to everything. He looked awkward, but i think it was because he had a football body playing baseball. I however agree with your contact and power claim. I think those are very fair. I do however think people tend to overrate how good he was at football compared to baseball. I am an auburn fan and grew up with the guy. I watched him religiously. I also think people thinking I am not saying was an elite football player. He was. I just think he was a better baseball player. I also think that bo thinks that too. His skills just translated better.
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@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
It wouldn't be that bad of a card, low contact, high power, strong arm, good speed, low vision, low discipline. His accumulated stats didnt look good because he never played a full season. In 89 he may have had a chance at 40/40 club but only played 135 games. Slugged .523 in 1990.
I think the card would be a lot of fun, but no mistake about it. He was a better football player than baseball, but a better baseball player than Deion Sanders.
This actually isn't true. If he didn't play football, he would have been a borderline hof baseball player. He was only getting better and was already one of the top players in 89. Football was his 3rd best sport behind track and baseball.
You are making a projection, yes he got better, but I can show you a dozen guys who looked like they were getting better only to fall back down to earth. You can only look at what he did not what he could have done, and he accomplished more on the football field than the baseball diamond at the professional level.
i think if you are talking college then i would agree. Professionally tho he was just a really good rb and maybe even all pro. Baseball he was a top 10 player for 2 years until the other sport took his legs. I know he gets more credit for football for the heisman but he was a better baseball player than football player. He just had more tools to offer when it comes to speed, arm, and power. He was also cutting the strike outs back.
In the NFL he was averaging 5 yards a carry, he was splitting time with Allen and missing games because of baseball. I am going off the eye ball test. Watching both as it happened, I was way more impressed with what I saw him do on the football field than what I saw him do on the baseball Diamond. 3 out of his 4 season he had the longest run of anyone in the league. 91, 92, 88 yards. 2 of those years he had Barry Sanders in the league with him.
You were projecting on what he could have done in baseball if he hadn't gotten hurt. Project what he would have done in football in just the 4 seasons he played if he didnt miss nearly half the season due to baseball, and even when he was playing he still was not getting a full work load. Those numbers he put up he did it averaging around 10 to 15 carries a game.
He's not projecting, and I'll second what he said. I watched Bo play in person, family had Royals season tickets. He was and still is the best I've ever seen, and I've seen a LOT of guys.
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@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
It wouldn't be that bad of a card, low contact, high power, strong arm, good speed, low vision, low discipline. His accumulated stats didnt look good because he never played a full season. In 89 he may have had a chance at 40/40 club but only played 135 games. Slugged .523 in 1990.
I think the card would be a lot of fun, but no mistake about it. He was a better football player than baseball, but a better baseball player than Deion Sanders.
This actually isn't true. If he didn't play football, he would have been a borderline hof baseball player. He was only getting better and was already one of the top players in 89. Football was his 3rd best sport behind track and baseball.
You are making a projection, yes he got better, but I can show you a dozen guys who looked like they were getting better only to fall back down to earth. You can only look at what he did not what he could have done, and he accomplished more on the football field than the baseball diamond at the professional level.
i think if you are talking college then i would agree. Professionally tho he was just a really good rb and maybe even all pro. Baseball he was a top 10 player for 2 years until the other sport took his legs. I know he gets more credit for football for the heisman but he was a better baseball player than football player. He just had more tools to offer when it comes to speed, arm, and power. He was also cutting the strike outs back.
In the NFL he was averaging 5 yards a carry, he was splitting time with Allen and missing games because of baseball. I am going off the eye ball test. Watching both as it happened, I was way more impressed with what I saw him do on the football field than what I saw him do on the baseball Diamond. 3 out of his 4 season he had the longest run of anyone in the league. 91, 92, 88 yards. 2 of those years he had Barry Sanders in the league with him.
You were projecting on what he could have done in baseball if he hadn't gotten hurt. Project what he would have done in football in just the 4 seasons he played if he didnt miss nearly half the season due to baseball, and even when he was playing he still was not getting a full work load. Those numbers he put up he did it averaging around 10 to 15 carries a game.
I watched it as it happened too. I am not projecting. He literally was top 5 rb in the league at the time and shared time with another top 10 rb. He was never a top 10 football player. He was an exciting football player and great niche guy. He was a top 10-15 baseball player for 2 years. I am not projecting him as that. He was that.
He was a top 5 RB at a time when RB was the 2nd most important offensive position.
How do you figure he was top 10-15 baseball player for 2 years? He was at best top 10 OF.
Henderson
Canseco
Mitchell
Gwynn
Bonilla
Bonds
Lonnie Smith better OPS both yearsSo for OF for those 2 years, he is top 10. Probably 8th. But if I include all hitters he is not top 15, and if I include pit hers where would he end up?
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There is no question that Bo was special, to be able to play at the highest level of both sports. It is probably even crazier that this argument is even happening, because people are seeing it completely different, yet the numbers are there and most of us here are old enough to see it happen.
I dont see any of us changing our minds, fact is I started off by defending him as a baseball player, so I will end by saying I'd love to see him included. Madden got him, cant see Why SDS wouldn't be able to.
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I made this same thread about two weeks ago and, the same debate transpired
Bo Jackson needs to be in this baseball videogame, simple as that. SDS can make it happen.
He's arguably the best videogame athlete of all time:
https://www.sbnation.com/2020/6/17/21291824/best-video-game-athlete-of-all-time -
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
It wouldn't be that bad of a card, low contact, high power, strong arm, good speed, low vision, low discipline. His accumulated stats didnt look good because he never played a full season. In 89 he may have had a chance at 40/40 club but only played 135 games. Slugged .523 in 1990.
I think the card would be a lot of fun, but no mistake about it. He was a better football player than baseball, but a better baseball player than Deion Sanders.
This actually isn't true. If he didn't play football, he would have been a borderline hof baseball player. He was only getting better and was already one of the top players in 89. Football was his 3rd best sport behind track and baseball.
You are making a projection, yes he got better, but I can show you a dozen guys who looked like they were getting better only to fall back down to earth. You can only look at what he did not what he could have done, and he accomplished more on the football field than the baseball diamond at the professional level.
i think if you are talking college then i would agree. Professionally tho he was just a really good rb and maybe even all pro. Baseball he was a top 10 player for 2 years until the other sport took his legs. I know he gets more credit for football for the heisman but he was a better baseball player than football player. He just had more tools to offer when it comes to speed, arm, and power. He was also cutting the strike outs back.
In the NFL he was averaging 5 yards a carry, he was splitting time with Allen and missing games because of baseball. I am going off the eye ball test. Watching both as it happened, I was way more impressed with what I saw him do on the football field than what I saw him do on the baseball Diamond. 3 out of his 4 season he had the longest run of anyone in the league. 91, 92, 88 yards. 2 of those years he had Barry Sanders in the league with him.
You were projecting on what he could have done in baseball if he hadn't gotten hurt. Project what he would have done in football in just the 4 seasons he played if he didnt miss nearly half the season due to baseball, and even when he was playing he still was not getting a full work load. Those numbers he put up he did it averaging around 10 to 15 carries a game.
I watched it as it happened too. I am not projecting. He literally was top 5 rb in the league at the time and shared time with another top 10 rb. He was never a top 10 football player. He was an exciting football player and great niche guy. He was a top 10-15 baseball player for 2 years. I am not projecting him as that. He was that.
He was a top 5 RB at a time when RB was the 2nd most important offensive position.
How do you figure he was top 10-15 baseball player for 2 years? He was at best top 10 OF.
Henderson
Canseco
Mitchell
Gwynn
Bonilla
Bonds
Lonnie Smith better OPS both yearsSo for OF for those 2 years, he is top 10. Probably 8th. But if I include all hitters he is not top 15, and if I include pit hers where would he end up?
Gwynn, henderson, canseco were in the top 10 in 1989 and 1990. I have no idea why you think lonnie smith,bonds, and bonilla were. They weren't top 10 until 1991, 1992 and that is if you put smith(i could see an arugument for smith for 89 and 90 but im a braves homer) or bonilla in the top 10. Kevin mitchell had one good year in 89 so he was a top ten player that year. Will clark probably was too. Jackson was most certainly in that group in 89 and 90. He was having an even better year in 90 than in 89 until he got hurt.
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Smith is for sure look at that OPS. Mitchell 89 was so good and his 90 wasnt bad.
Bonilla was also up there, Bonds is iffy and the one I had the least confidence in.
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BTW since you brought up lonnie smith. He cost the braves a championship by being faked out by knoblauch in 91 and i am still salty about that... lol
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@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
BTW since you brought up lonnie smith. He cost the braves a championship by being faked out by knoblauch in 91 and i am still salty about that... lol
Honestly Smith didnt even come to mind until I looked up the stats, it is surprising how good his numbers were those 2 years.
And yeah, I was shocked with the outcome of that series, I thought Braves were by far the better team.
Speaking of, I didnt even see Puckett's numbers for 89-90
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@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
BTW since you brought up lonnie smith. He cost the braves a championship by being faked out by knoblauch in 91 and i am still salty about that... lol
Honestly Smith didnt even come to mind until I looked up the stats, it is surprising how good his numbers were those 2 years.
And yeah, I was shocked with the outcome of that series, I thought Braves were by far the better team.
Speaking of, I didnt even see Puckett's numbers for 89-90
yeah i think puckett is the most underrated player of that era. I really think he was the most complete player from that particular time. He was a five tool player. He was also right before bonds(never a five tool player ask sid bream) and griffey. Tell you the truth, i don't know if anyone was better from 89 to 94. Barry larkin? was he that good in that time? or was he more mid 90's? im old lol
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@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
BTW since you brought up lonnie smith. He cost the braves a championship by being faked out by knoblauch in 91 and i am still salty about that... lol
Honestly Smith didnt even come to mind until I looked up the stats, it is surprising how good his numbers were those 2 years.
And yeah, I was shocked with the outcome of that series, I thought Braves were by far the better team.
Speaking of, I didnt even see Puckett's numbers for 89-90
yeah i think puckett is the most underrated player of that era. I really think he was the most complete player from that particular time. He was a five tool player. He was also right before bonds(never a five tool player ask sid bream) and griffey. Tell you the truth, i don't know if anyone was better from 89 to 94. Barry larkin? was he that good in that time? or was he more mid 90's? im old lol
I'm old too. And the fact you just named my favorite player of all time means we can be friends.
I'd say more mid 90s for Barry, his MVP was 95, but his 96 year was his best. Still a great player even in the early 90s, but I am bias.
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@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
@nflman2033 said in Bo Jackson:
@bwheel1977 said in Bo Jackson:
BTW since you brought up lonnie smith. He cost the braves a championship by being faked out by knoblauch in 91 and i am still salty about that... lol
Honestly Smith didnt even come to mind until I looked up the stats, it is surprising how good his numbers were those 2 years.
And yeah, I was shocked with the outcome of that series, I thought Braves were by far the better team.
Speaking of, I didnt even see Puckett's numbers for 89-90
yeah i think puckett is the most underrated player of that era. I really think he was the most complete player from that particular time. He was a five tool player. He was also right before bonds(never a five tool player ask sid bream) and griffey. Tell you the truth, i don't know if anyone was better from 89 to 94. Barry larkin? was he that good in that time? or was he more mid 90's? im old lol
I'm old too. And the fact you just named my favorite player of all time means we can be friends.
I'd say more mid 90s for Barry, his MVP was 95, but his 96 year was his best. Still a great player even in the early 90s, but I am bias.
Larkin is probably the second best player of the 90's. I would argue right behind griffey. I think you could put bonds above him but to me bonds didn't become inhuman until 2001. I think bonds was still a top 5 player in the 90's but not the best. I am sure other's will see it different. I wanted larkin on the braves. I really thought he would have put them over the top with the best fielding ss and hitting ss. There were rumors in 97 that they were going to trade for him but idk what the asking price was or if it was even true.
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top players of the 90's
- Griffey
- Larkin
- Bonds
- Maddox
- Johnson
- Martinez
- Clemens
- Mcguire( arguable)
9 gwynn - Thomas
- I think you can make arguments for alomar,mcgriff, walker, bagwell, biggio, I rod,
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@mjfc_363 said in Bo Jackson:
@VEGAS__T said in Bo Jackson:
If they do they add him, I hope they include his running up the outfield wall animation after a catch...
That.........would be awesome!! Also throw in snapping the bat like a twig.
lol! Now we get into the discussion for when we ever get a Manny Ramirez card... Does he high 5 a fan? Do we get the cut-off animation from LF? Running a ground rule double like a HR celebration?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcewudvPjdM
