The Sinker
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@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
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@ryrycon said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
I'm a hitter and pitcher in real life on a year round competitive team. I have seen a few sinkers here and there. I also see it on TV. I can tell you that it is a good pitch. It is good for enforcing grounders and contact. In this game it is too good though. In real life it breaks a little downwards. In this game it breaks like a changeup with way more velocity than a changeup. I think it is over powered. Do you guys think they should nerf it or keep giving it to every pitcher?
Olivegarden you are on these forums posting a little much lmao
Why are you telling me this?I bet you play the game 5x more than I play. I'm on here for a short period of time mostly. I post to get my questions answered, help others, and giving feedback on the game. I go on because I can't play the game sometimes and don't have many people to talk to the game about
grissino calm yourself
I calmly said everything Mr. Troll
grissino we don't need insults
Who is we? You and your troll family?
grissino that's twice. I don't want to report your account, but the insults are starting to pile up.
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@ryrycon said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
I'm a hitter and pitcher in real life on a year round competitive team. I have seen a few sinkers here and there. I also see it on TV. I can tell you that it is a good pitch. It is good for enforcing grounders and contact. In this game it is too good though. In real life it breaks a little downwards. In this game it breaks like a changeup with way more velocity than a changeup. I think it is over powered. Do you guys think they should nerf it or keep giving it to every pitcher?
Olivegarden you are on these forums posting a little much lmao
He prefers “breadstick” or “baked ziti.”
And the real problem with the sinker is it looks like a curveball out of the hand.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in The Sinker:
@ryrycon said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
I'm a hitter and pitcher in real life on a year round competitive team. I have seen a few sinkers here and there. I also see it on TV. I can tell you that it is a good pitch. It is good for enforcing grounders and contact. In this game it is too good though. In real life it breaks a little downwards. In this game it breaks like a changeup with way more velocity than a changeup. I think it is over powered. Do you guys think they should nerf it or keep giving it to every pitcher?
Olivegarden you are on these forums posting a little much lmao
He prefers “breadstick” or “baked ziti.”
And the real problem with the sinker is it looks like a curveball out of the hand.
he asked me to stop calling him breadstick, so I switched to
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@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
@ryrycon said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
I'm a hitter and pitcher in real life on a year round competitive team. I have seen a few sinkers here and there. I also see it on TV. I can tell you that it is a good pitch. It is good for enforcing grounders and contact. In this game it is too good though. In real life it breaks a little downwards. In this game it breaks like a changeup with way more velocity than a changeup. I think it is over powered. Do you guys think they should nerf it or keep giving it to every pitcher?
Olivegarden you are on these forums posting a little much lmao
Why are you telling me this?I bet you play the game 5x more than I play. I'm on here for a short period of time mostly. I post to get my questions answered, help others, and giving feedback on the game. I go on because I can't play the game sometimes and don't have many people to talk to the game about
grissino calm yourself
I calmly said everything Mr. Troll
grissino we don't need insults
Who is we? You and your troll family?
grissino that's twice. I don't want to report your account, but the insults are starting to pile up.
Report me then, they won't care. Most people here could report you for trolling. Haven't you heard of the word stop. If you haven't it means to cause (an action, process, or event) to come to an end.
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@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in The Sinker:
@ryrycon said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
I'm a hitter and pitcher in real life on a year round competitive team. I have seen a few sinkers here and there. I also see it on TV. I can tell you that it is a good pitch. It is good for enforcing grounders and contact. In this game it is too good though. In real life it breaks a little downwards. In this game it breaks like a changeup with way more velocity than a changeup. I think it is over powered. Do you guys think they should nerf it or keep giving it to every pitcher?
Olivegarden you are on these forums posting a little much lmao
He prefers “breadstick” or “baked ziti.”
And the real problem with the sinker is it looks like a curveball out of the hand.
he asked me to stop calling him breadstick, so I switched to
grissino, he doesn't know what that means...don't tell him.I bet you the world that you are a spoiled child that your parents hate but continue to give up everything for you. You were probably also the smart Alec in school.
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I feel like there must be something about the hitting engine that has lead to:
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adding randomized outcomes on good swings at patch 1.04
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perfect/good release pitches drifting to the middle of the plate
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every pitcher getting sinkers due to high sinker meta and general OP ness of the pitch
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crazy amount of movement on offspeed pitches and relative ineffectiveness of four seam fastballs
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add one of your own.
In other words, I think the sinker situation is rooted in the shortcomings of the current hitting.
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@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
I'm a hitter and pitcher in real life on a year round competitive team. I have seen a few sinkers here and there. I also see it on TV. I can tell you that it is a good pitch. It is good for enforcing grounders and contact. In this game it is too good though. In real life it breaks a little downwards. In this game it breaks like a changeup with way more velocity than a changeup. I think it is over powered. Do you guys think they should nerf it or keep giving it to every pitcher?
I think they should nerf it personally. Too many people are reliant on high sinkers because the velocity and break are just not realistic. It’s also interesting that they keep giving everyone a sinker when in reality sinkers are being thrown less and less due to the launch angle revolution, and teams valuing pitchers who throw 4 seamers with insane velo to combat it.
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@halfbutt said in The Sinker:
I feel like there must be something about the hitting engine that has lead to:
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adding randomized outcomes on good swings at patch 1.04
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perfect/good release pitches drifting to the middle of the plate
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every pitcher getting sinkers due to high sinker meta and general OP ness of the pitch
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crazy amount of movement on offspeed pitches and relative ineffectiveness of four seam fastballs
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add one of your own.
In other words, I think the sinker situation is rooted in the shortcomings of the current hitting.
First they need to fix pitcher control, base running, good timing contact results, and very late jammed hits.
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I'll probably get trolled for saying this, so I'm prepared for it.
I always thought the whole point of a sinker, was that it sank? In this game the sinker is thrown up. It could be me though. -
@johndarlas said in The Sinker:
I'll probably get trolled for saying this, so I'm prepared for it.
I always thought the whole point of a sinker, was that it sank? In this game the sinker is thrown up. It could be me though.LOL, the name is kinda plain
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@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in The Sinker:
@ryrycon said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
I'm a hitter and pitcher in real life on a year round competitive team. I have seen a few sinkers here and there. I also see it on TV. I can tell you that it is a good pitch. It is good for enforcing grounders and contact. In this game it is too good though. In real life it breaks a little downwards. In this game it breaks like a changeup with way more velocity than a changeup. I think it is over powered. Do you guys think they should nerf it or keep giving it to every pitcher?
Olivegarden you are on these forums posting a little much lmao
He prefers “breadstick” or “baked ziti.”
And the real problem with the sinker is it looks like a curveball out of the hand.
he asked me to stop calling him breadstick, so I switched to
grissino, he doesn't know what that means...don't tell him.I bet you the world that you are a spoiled child that your parents hate but continue to give up everything for you. You were probably also the smart Alec in school.
your what 15? 16? Im over 40, but keep trying boss, you'll get there. BTW, while both spellings are in the dictionary, more often than not, it's spelled Smart aleck, and absolutely! If the world can't laugh at themselves, why are we even here?
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@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in The Sinker:
@ryrycon said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
I'm a hitter and pitcher in real life on a year round competitive team. I have seen a few sinkers here and there. I also see it on TV. I can tell you that it is a good pitch. It is good for enforcing grounders and contact. In this game it is too good though. In real life it breaks a little downwards. In this game it breaks like a changeup with way more velocity than a changeup. I think it is over powered. Do you guys think they should nerf it or keep giving it to every pitcher?
Olivegarden you are on these forums posting a little much lmao
He prefers “breadstick” or “baked ziti.”
And the real problem with the sinker is it looks like a curveball out of the hand.
he asked me to stop calling him breadstick, so I switched to
grissino, he doesn't know what that means...don't tell him.I bet you the world that you are a spoiled child that your parents hate but continue to give up everything for you. You were probably also the smart Alec in school.
You two are a major impediment to world peace.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in The Sinker:
@ryrycon said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
I'm a hitter and pitcher in real life on a year round competitive team. I have seen a few sinkers here and there. I also see it on TV. I can tell you that it is a good pitch. It is good for enforcing grounders and contact. In this game it is too good though. In real life it breaks a little downwards. In this game it breaks like a changeup with way more velocity than a changeup. I think it is over powered. Do you guys think they should nerf it or keep giving it to every pitcher?
Olivegarden you are on these forums posting a little much lmao
He prefers “breadstick” or “baked ziti.”
And the real problem with the sinker is it looks like a curveball out of the hand.
he asked me to stop calling him breadstick, so I switched to
grissino, he doesn't know what that means...don't tell him.I bet you the world that you are a spoiled child that your parents hate but continue to give up everything for you. You were probably also the smart Alec in school.
You two are a major impediment to world peace.
Look, the world always needs a villain, if no one else is willing to step up, I'll take one for the team. It's who I am, and at my core, I'll sleep better knowing that I filled a vital roll in the world.
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@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
@lucas8181 said in The Sinker:
@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in The Sinker:
@ryrycon said in The Sinker:
@olivegarden2 said in The Sinker:
I'm a hitter and pitcher in real life on a year round competitive team. I have seen a few sinkers here and there. I also see it on TV. I can tell you that it is a good pitch. It is good for enforcing grounders and contact. In this game it is too good though. In real life it breaks a little downwards. In this game it breaks like a changeup with way more velocity than a changeup. I think it is over powered. Do you guys think they should nerf it or keep giving it to every pitcher?
Olivegarden you are on these forums posting a little much lmao
He prefers “breadstick” or “baked ziti.”
And the real problem with the sinker is it looks like a curveball out of the hand.
he asked me to stop calling him breadstick, so I switched to
grissino, he doesn't know what that means...don't tell him.I bet you the world that you are a spoiled child that your parents hate but continue to give up everything for you. You were probably also the smart Alec in school.
You two are a major impediment to world peace.
Look, the world always needs a villain, if no one else is willing to step up, I'll take one for the team. It's who I am, and at my core, I'll sleep better knowing that I filled a vital roll in the world.
The world has plenty of villains without forum trolls. Although it does make my forum cigars more enjoyable.
Also, here’s a role for you. Grammar Nazi. Unless you’re filling your villain roll with cream cheese. Sounds tasty.
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I know people complain about sinners but I just don't see it. This isn't necessarily true for every pitcher I face, but I would usually rather hit against a sinkerballer than a 4 seam fastball guy. Last year high sinkers were unrealistically good but I don't think that's the case this year, and in my experience, sinkers tend to be located more predictably and in easier locations than 4 seam fastballs.
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You know what is interesting is that 2017 Postseason Charlie Morton card has a two seamer but no sinker AND has the sinkerballer quirk.
How weird is that?
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IMO. The sinker operates exactly how a sinker is supposed to. Some guys throw it very hard so the movement is later and more extreme. Some throw it a bit slower so there is more movement but it starts to break earlier. It's OP'd when you give every guy that throws 96+ a sinker. Or when you give a large portion of the Pitchers in the game a Sinker as their Main Pitch. A sinker is an out pitch. It's used to induce ground balls or to catch a guy off guard who's sitting on Fastballs and they can't throw a changeup.
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@jonnydaman said in The Sinker:
I know people complain about sinners but I just don't see it. This isn't necessarily true for every pitcher I face, but I would usually rather hit against a sinkerballer than a 4 seam fastball guy. Last year high sinkers were unrealistically good but I don't think that's the case this year, and in my experience, sinkers tend to be located more predictably and in easier locations than 4 seam fastballs.
There are sinners everywhere.
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@halfbutt said in The Sinker:
You know what is interesting is that 2017 Postseason Charlie Morton card has a two seamer but no sinker AND has the sinkerballer quirk.
How weird is that?
I don't think there is a 2 seamer quirk
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The issue is related primarily to how we are viewing pitches coming towards the batter. All of the hitting views are third person directly behind the plate. This doesn't allow for much depth perception or the ability to pick up spin. That's critical information a hitter's brain uses to determine whether he should swing.
In the game each fastball variation has a different movement. Breaking balls and change ups have an unnatural rise and fall out of the hand. This is so you can distinguish pitches while playing the game.
The issue with Sinkers is one they've tried to address before but haven't gotten it right.
IRL you can't throw a Sinker up in the zone and get the same movement as if you go down in the zone. They flatten out and are generally slower than a 4seam and are easier to hit. What happens in the game is high Sinkers pop up out of the hand similar to offspeed which is visually deceptive. It's why they seem to come in faster because of how much movement is still present. They aren't actually faster, they're just way too deceptive.
There are two options they could implement, both would active the same goal.
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Restrict where certain pitches can be aimed. MLB 2k did this and made a lot of sense. Fastballs (2 seam, 4 seam, and cutter) could be placed anywhere. Sinkers and all other pitches couldn't be started higher than the middle of the zone. So to get for instance a sinker to go high you had to bork your input, but that reduced pitch effectiveness and was more likely to get crushed.
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Larger break and effectiveness penalities for placing pitches like Sinkers up in the zone. Some of you probably don't like the idea of realistic pitching boundaries, but in this case you'd be risking a less effective pitch throwing it where it's not designed to go.
Either way, the Sinker movement up in the zone needs to flatten out closer to a 2 seam and that hump out of the hand needs to go.
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