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@the_dragon1912 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
Say you normally make 24 dollars an hour. You are doing half the work, so its reasonable you would get 12 dollars an hour right? Your employer wants to give you 6 dollars an hour. Thats the perspective of the players. I know it seems ridiculous to us common folk but the owners are purposely screwing over the players to make a profit instead of cutting their losses
This is not an accurate representation of the salary/pay structure. You need to hear me out....
Players are not paid hourly they are paid a salary every week/15 days.
So if a player makes $20m for a full season and only plays half the games, he is not taking a pay cut for playing an 82 game schedule. He is still being compensated for the work done.Now to the owners. I believe a pro-rated pay structure is fair.
The owners agreed to a pro-rated structure thinking that there would be fans attending the games. Now that seems improbable. So then the owners said lets share all the money 50-50.Here is my problem....What constitutes "all the money"??? That is the main issue for the players and thus the union, forget the pay cut or wage structure, that is for PR purposes only.
Is all the money National and Local TV money? And all fans know the TV rights for the Yankees dwarfs the local rights for the Marlins or the Rays. Usually teams keep all the local cash and share the National deals (ESPN, FS1, Streaming) will the Yankees be willing to give up their local share? I dobut it.
The local money is what seperates big payroll clubs from small payroll clubs.
Then how do we handle the issue of money from the YES network?
When the stadiums open up are we going to count each team's earnings from parking and souveniers?
The owners have never opened up the books and the players do not trust the owners numbers.
A competent accountant can make earnings disappear into the nether in a carefully crafted financial statement.The owners are angling for a PR battle and I am of the belief that they know they were headed for a work stoppage at the end of the current CBA, so they are figuring that since this year is financially lost let's go to war with the union now rather than risk another season being lost.
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@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
You do realize that owners OWN the company right? You can say what you want but the majority of people will blame the players. If I was an owner, I would tell the players association to pi$$ off. Who do you think is going to get hurt more? Billionaire owners who more than likely have other incomes or athletes. That is a very easy one.
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@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
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We are the idiots...we beg for sports and all other forms of entertainment to come back like we need them.
All of these things are just in business to drain our wallets. Nobody in these industries need to make the money that they are making.
If you think about it...owners are willing to pay stupid money to these guys even without fans in the stands. I know there are other revenue streams, but this current proposal by the owners undoubtedly means they are still profiting from this year with their proposal even if not one ticket was bought.
Society could boycott the entertainment industry as it comes back to send a message that we are not willing to spend money on ridiculous ticket and food prices to go to a ball game or a concert etc. We are living this way now and we have come to adapt.
Unfortunately, most of us will welcome entertainment back with open arms and mindlessly throw our money at them and continue making them filthy rich.
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The owners have been conditioning us for a 40 man roster full of randoms for years. It's what small market teams have been doing since the dawn of time and with the weird youth fetish (read: cheaper employees) every team has had the last several years, we the customer base have already capitulated that older (read: more expensive) = bad.
The owners are betting that we, the customers, accept the scabs they throw into the 40 man when the union inevitably strikes.
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@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
If you work, you could tell the owner of your company that you want the same pay for half the work even though the company is not bringing in the normal business. Let me know how that works for you.
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@ItsaCanesthing said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@the_dragon1912 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
Say you normally make 24 dollars an hour. You are doing half the work, so its reasonable you would get 12 dollars an hour right? Your employer wants to give you 6 dollars an hour. Thats the perspective of the players. I know it seems ridiculous to us common folk but the owners are purposely screwing over the players to make a profit instead of cutting their losses
This is not an accurate representation of the salary/pay structure. You need to hear me out....
Players are not paid hourly they are paid a salary every week/15 days.
So if a player makes $20m for a full season and only plays half the games, he is not taking a pay cut for playing an 82 game schedule. He is still being compensated for the work done.Now to the owners. I believe a pro-rated pay structure is fair.
The owners agreed to a pro-rated structure thinking that there would be fans attending the games. Now that seems improbable. So then the owners said lets share all the money 50-50.Here is my problem....What constitutes "all the money"??? That is the main issue for the players and thus the union, forget the pay cut or wage structure, that is for PR purposes only.
Is all the money National and Local TV money? And all fans know the TV rights for the Yankees dwarfs the local rights for the Marlins or the Rays. Usually teams keep all the local cash and share the National deals (ESPN, FS1, Streaming) will the Yankees be willing to give up thier local share? I dobut it.
The local money is what seperates big payroll clubs from small payroll clubs.
Then how do we handle the issue of money from the YES network?
When the stadiums open up are we going to count each team's earnings from parking and souveniers?
The owners have never opened up the books and the players do not trust the owners numbers.
A competent accountant can make earnings disappear into the nether in a carefully crafted financial statement.The owners are angling for a PR battle and I am of the belief that they know they were headed for a work stoppage at the end of the current CBA, so they are figuring that since this year is financially lost let's go to war with the union now rather than risk another season being lost.
I Agree. Obviously I could have worded my comment differently but pretty much the same point was made. You make some great points about this being a PR battle though. The owners are definitely treating this as a strike now instead of having to deal with it later. Even so, I side with the players here. What I don’t get is why people side with the owners. Yeah it does look selfish that the millionaires are whining about pay cuts but sports aren’t like other Jobs. You know why Jeff Bezos is on his way to becoming a Trillionaire? Because all of his employees are expendable and can be replaced by another person easily. In this case, the players are the revenue source for this particular set of income for the owners. Why not give them a pro-rated Salary? From what I have heard the TV deals are the biggest revenue source for teams(driven by the players people are watching Obviously). Wouldn’t the TV deals make more money per game for the team if more people are watching TV instead of going to the games? Obviously there is a loss on the revenue from parking, ticket sales, $14 beers, etc. but there has to be still a good chunk of cash from local deals coming in for smaller market teams. Remove blackout restrictions for this year and let every game be watched regardless of location and there should be plenty of money to be made still. It is a complete lost cause if baseball doesn’t start before the NBA and NHL and this overlaps with the NfL season though
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
You do realize that owners OWN the company right? You can say what you want but the majority of people will blame the players. If I was an owner, I would tell the players association to pi$$ off. Who do you think is going to get hurt more? Billionaire owners who more than likely have other incomes or athletes. That is a very easy one.
Owners tell the players to pizz off all the time and the players laugh then say ok good luck without me. Then the owners come crawling back and give the players a fair deal. It’s the reason why baseball has had more work stoppages than any other sport. Owners try to flex their greed way too often and the players association has to bring them back down to reality. Hopefully it happens again in this case.
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I'm not on either side. I just want them to figure it out so I can watch some baseball
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@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
As a Marlins fan, I take offense to your insuation that our former owner cried poverty, sold a future Triple Crown winner for a bucket of baseballs and bamboozled abunch of idiotic local politicians to build him a $1B pleasure palace so he can have yet another fire sale and buy a bunch of art work.
But seriuosly, while I understand your point, you are making an emotional argument.
The economic landscape is a collectively bargained environment.
Before players would play 6 (sometimes 7 years due to service time manipulation) and then cash in upon hitting free agency. Players were often paid on what they DID rather than what they were going to do.This fell apart when front offices had a radical change in thinking and essentially all at once decided to pay players based on future projections rather than past performance.
The union and the owners have been heading towards a war for years. The arbitration process is broken and players will want to change it drastically. They will also push for an end to service time manipulation and free agency in less time (5 years perhaps?)
"This is business, not personal"
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@dogslax41 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
The offer was designed to cause dissension in the Union and an outside shot that the public would be go after the players. Bottom line it wasn't even a good faith offer and now the players are just supposed to shut up and take it? The damage done to the union accepting this offer would be far more long term than not having baseball this year.
Don’t they have to negotiate a new contract next year?
Players Union agreeing to anything now that they don’t want in their new agreement would be complete folly.
Maybe some of you don’t understand how unions work.
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
If you work, you could tell the owner of your company that you want the same pay for half the work even though the company is not bringing in the normal business. Let me know how that works for you.
No but the players aren’t asking for 8 hours of pay for only 4 hours work nor would I. If I work 4 hours then pay me for 4 hours. If the players only play half a season then they should be paid for half a season.
Using your own example imagine your boss says I know you normally work a full day and normally I would pay you for a full a day. But without customers I can only afford to pay you for 2 hours of work now but you only have to work 4 hours each day. Sound fair....
That’s what the owners want. Players play half the games but get 20% of your contract. That’s bs
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
If you work, you could tell the owner of your company that you want the same pay for half the work even though the company is not bringing in the normal business. Let me know how that works for you.
The players don’t want the same pay for half the work. They are fine with half the pay for half the work. The owners want to give them an 80% pay cut for half the work. And you can’t compare this to normal jobs. At normal jobs people can be easily replaced. Professional athletes can’t be replaced that easily
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@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
You do realize that owners OWN the company right? You can say what you want but the majority of people will blame the players. If I was an owner, I would tell the players association to pi$$ off. Who do you think is going to get hurt more? Billionaire owners who more than likely have other incomes or athletes. That is a very easy one.
Owners tell the players to pizz off all the time and the players laugh then say ok good luck without me. Then the owners come crawling back and give the players a fair deal. It’s the reason why baseball has had more work stoppages than any other sport. Owners try to flex their greed way too often and the players association has to bring them back down to reality. Hopefully it happens again in this case.
This mentality will not work.
Ask yourself this..Who is prepared for a long term siege war?
It is the owners, they have the leverage, they have the resources and additional income streams.Why do you think the NFL and NBA always break thier unions?
The MLBPA is the outlier, they have never lost. They have been able to maintain solidarity amongst the rank and file to withstand work stoppages.
But that was in the age of owners main source of income being the team. Now in the age of mega corporations and mergers, owners have additional sources of income that did not exisist in the last major work stoppage in 1994.
If there is a prolonged work stoppage the owners will ultimately win.
Top guys like Scherzer and Trout will be able to last but its the guys making the minimum or lower wages that are the majority of union. Once those guys burn through thier reserves that is when the union breaks. -
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
If you work, you could tell the owner of your company that you want the same pay for half the work even though the company is not bringing in the normal business. Let me know how that works for you.
No but the players aren’t asking for 8 hours of pay for only 4 hours work nor would I. If I work 4 hours then pay me for 4 hours. If the players only play half a season then they should be paid for half a season.
Using your own example imagine your boss says I know you normally work a full day and normally I would pay you for a full a day. But without customers I can only afford to pay you for 2 hours of work now but you only have to work 4 hours each day. Sound fair....
Um no. Just like any other legitimate business, he’ll say I’m sorry man, business is bad, I don’t much revenue coming in right now, I’m gonna have to let you go
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@the_dragon1912 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
If you work, you could tell the owner of your company that you want the same pay for half the work even though the company is not bringing in the normal business. Let me know how that works for you.
The players don’t want the same pay for half the work. They are fine with half the pay for half the work. The owners want to give them an 80% pay cut for half the work. And you can’t compare this to normal jobs. At normal jobs people can be easily replaced. Professional athletes can’t be replaced that easily
Half the pay for half the work with a lot less revenue coming in.
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@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
TBF, companies across the country have been doing the same thing. ESPN went to their personalities and asked them all to take less. The company that one of my family members works for also cut compensation across the board. Some companies arent going to ever come back from this.
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@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@Hikes83 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
It’s not because they aren’t showing up!!! People are forced by the government to not show up!!! These are unforeseen circumstances which you can’t plan for.
You think owners don’t know the numbers??? They pay their players knowing the revenues they bring in through various ways including but not limited to TV deals, fans, concessions.
You think these owners could plan to have their multimillion employees work but not have much of a revenue in return?? That’s just plain bad business
Most people forget or don’t realize baseball players have to put in a good amount of service time before they are even allowed to earn these big time contracts. Now the owners want those players who have only a limited amount of years they can play to take a massive pay cut?
There are risks and benefits to owning a team. The benefits are you get to keep and put ALL the profits in your pocket and not reinvest in your team, which most owners do (looking at you Marlins). Now these same owners wanna cry that they don’t have the money to pay the players, bs. Plus most owners have other sources of income whereas the players have only this game to make money.
If you work, you could tell the owner of your company that you want the same pay for half the work even though the company is not bringing in the normal business. Let me know how that works for you.
No but the players aren’t asking for 8 hours of pay for only 4 hours work nor would I. If I work 4 hours then pay me for 4 hours. If the players only play half a season then they should be paid for half a season.
Using your own example imagine your boss says I know you normally work a full day and normally I would pay you for a full a day. But without customers I can only afford to pay you for 2 hours of work now but you only have to work 4 hours each day. Sound fair....
Um no. Just like any other legitimate business, he’ll say I’m sorry man, business is bad, I don’t much revenue coming in right now, I’m gonna have to let you go
I’m aware of that but no baseball owner is gonna let mike trout go lol. So they need to stop being greedy and pay the players a prorated salary and move on
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@formallyforearms said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
@VEGAS__T said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I have a feeling you don’t know the details of the proposal the owners gave the players. It was purposely disrespectful and they low balled the hell out of the players. Check the facts before you start blaming the players. It’s the owners who need a dose of reality, not the players!
Owners profits are going to down big time with no fans. So players shouldn't sacrifice but owners should. Sorry but most people are not going to side with players that won't play for 3 months making 5 million dollars. Good luck selling that to society. Easy for people like Scherzer who have millions in the bank. This is going to fall on the players.
So because fans aren’t going to be there the players should have to take a pay cut for that? Ok and when it’s sold out every night do the owners give the players some of the extra money?
No because that’s the risk you take on as an owner. You don’t ask your employees to pay the extra costs around the shop because customers aren’t showing up.
TBF, companies across the country have been doing the same thing. ESPN went to their personalities and asked them all to take less. The company that one of my family members works for also cut compensation across the board. Some companies arent going to ever come back from this.
It would be fair if the owners were willing to take a similar loss but to my understanding they refuse to tell the players association what their projected profits/losses would be from this. So they want everyone else to take a hit now when in reality they don’t know how much they are gonna lose at all or they are hiding those numbers which seems sketchy as hell and I wouldn’t make a deal with someone acting like that.
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@olivegarden2 said in Current discussion between MLB and MLBPA:
I'm not on either side. I just want them to figure it out so I can watch some baseball
Yes. Dodgers fans, Red Sox fans, Astros fans...we can all agree on that.
