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@tear4eddy_PSN No human is capable of removing an order and placing a new order within a fraction of a second...without some sort of tool or macro or bot. If you're a really quick human, you might accomplish it in 2-3 seconds.

@Pigsooie-Nation_MLBTS I've been wondering the same and potentially worse. Back in 2021, EA got in hot water over an employee selling high end cards for cash in FIFA. Feel free to google this.

@ChuckCLC_PSN Not all heroes wear capes my guy.

I noticed 2 bots in a bidding war to sell an item and have been keeping a left eye on it. It's going down by about 1-2 stubs per second as they replace each others bids. Maybe SDS servers would have less issues if bots weren't placing dozens of orders per second on the market.

There are a dozen ways SDS could combat the problem. If the store went down theyd devote every resource on the planet to fix it within minutes. Market bots have gotten incrementally worse for years and SDS has not fixed it. Clearly they either can't or aren't even trying.

SDS has made it clear they have no intention of doing anything about market bots, there is no reason not to have one at this point if you want to compete for stubs on the market.

I messaged SDS 3 days ago asking simply if using an automated bot on the market violated terms of service. Their response...

"Hello- Thank you for your message.

We are excited to hear your thoughts! Please visit forums.theshow.com to submit feedback and be involved in discussions regarding The Show."

Can't even say "yes, using an automated bot does violate terms of service". Either their AI customer service sucks or using a bot is totally fine and they won't do anything about it...or both

I sent a very simple question to SDS support using if using an automated bot is illegal in the game or against the terms of service...like 3 days ago. They haven't responded. Maybe it's just allowed now and you all should go get a bot so you can compete...

@The_Joneser_PSN

Bruh, investing and flipping do require "work" and were a part of the overall package of the game. You're right about it being their choice to limit to 20 cards, but making the change without telling anyone is baloney and you know it. Additionally, it's hard to say there's any justification for letting bots control the market to limit flipping. The users unleashing bots are without a doubt selling the stubs they make on the secondary market and that's not just bad for people that like to flip cards, it's revenue lost for SDS on stubs. Communication really shouldn't be that hard and they need to do better...

Is anyone having any success flipping with the bots on the market? They are so much worse this year than any other year. I'm genuinely starting to wonder if it's SDS. I have yet to see what looks like bots competing with each other, it's just one bot on every profitable card. If a bunch of people had bots I think they'd compete against each other and it would really be obvious

The 20 card cap is stupid but it isn't going to make bots worse, it honestly just doesn't really impact the bots at all. Having an order cap would limit the bots, but I just can't understand why their policy would be to place restrictions that impact the user rather than just banning bots from the market and going after third party stub sellers in court. Activision is far from a shining example, but their approach to going after people using exploits was to go after the cheat sellers AND implement a system for detecting cheats and banning accounts. SDS should be applying the same concepts here...but should be able to execute better as the problem isn't nearly as severe as cheating in Call of Duty. If they do nothing, it won't be long before there are 500 bots fighting each other for orders and the market is completely pointless. If I had internal access to who's placing what order, I could find the bot accounts in 5 minutes. Simply place an order on a profitable card, and watch within a fraction of a second as 2 orders get placed 1 stub above yours, and then review account data to see that account has placed an impossible number of unique orders...more than a human could do. They could have AI doing that and flagging accounts for a human to review/ban...them not doing it means they don't care

@Teak2112_MLBTS I had a guy on my bench that I never used win MVP.

@Borrowedtime44_PSN

I ran into the same issue and this method worked for me as well.

@Pergo_MLBTS

I have previously too, with bots so prevalent on the market to this point...it's very difficult to make meaningful amounts of stubs flipping. I would guess maybe if you grind all the content like crazy and have average pack luck...maybe you could get collections done by July at the earliest, with August or later being more likely. At the end of the day, it's very obvious that SDS intentionally took away all avenues to generate meaningful stubs from the market to try and get players to buy stubs from them.

How does it make sense to institute a cap like this to inhibit the bots? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply ban anyone using a bot from the marketplace? You can't tell me they don't make enough money to develop a way to quickly catch bot-like activity. The market is a complete waste of time now with the bots.

By doing nothing, SDS is saying using a bot is OK and there will be no consequences. I guess if you want to compete and be able to use the market, use a bot.

@SpecialFrosty_PSN

It should be really simple for them to recognize the activity and ban the accounts. I know they have other issues to work on with the game but would be nice for them to prioritize this. People doing this are probably selling on a secondary market.

SDS has gotta do something. Flipping is impossible, today any card with any decent margin, there's a bot that's cancelling 2 bids and replacing with 2 orders 1 stub above mine. It's the same bot on 6 different cards today at least

Maybe I'm late, but seems blatantly obvious that there are bots on the market. I'll put in bids that get 1 stubbed instantly, even if I pick strange unpredictable amounts. I'm not talking about like 4-5 second later, it literally seems like these bids are coming within half a second of mine posting...too fast for it to be a human. Does SDS do anything about stuff like this? I'm sure it's against their terms of service

I'd be happy if I could play a game without soft kids quitting after they concede a run.