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@The_Joneser_PSN said in Remember when user input mattered?:

@Afromeister_XBL, nothing is negatively affecting the result of a person squaring up the ball (perfect/perfect is a "squared up" ball).

If this is your complaint, please share with us your stats on perfect/perfect contact. My guess is that your p/p stats will show an incredible amount of success, but you'll still insist that you aren't being "rewarded" properly for your preternatural ability to line up the ball with excellent timing.

Stop lying about things and insulting people who call your BS, and people will probably stop taking such umbrage with your posts.

Where's the lie dickhe@d?

Answer this question for me. Do you think good swings are punished more this year?

If you don't, not only are you wrong, but it's also not worth even continuing this conversation.

@TheBigPapa55_PSN said in Remember when user input mattered?:

I love the bums who come on here and complain about how the game is against them yet don't know their right from their left.

Buddy, I would say that I could probably bust you on this game, but this game has no skill gap.

I could easily lose after having a 4-14 showing on hard hits, 4-8 on PPs and a 3-19 on good contact, while you make 5 good swings all game.

Any 1000+ rated player will tell you that the hitting this year is not only atrocious but has significantly lowered the skill gap, but I bet you like get handouts despite getting outplayed.

@TheBigPapa55_PSN said in Remember when user input mattered?:

@Afromeister_XBL
Actually pal, your pea sized brain can't comprehend the simple fact that that is baseball. So don't come over here and act like your so tough and insult us when you don't know what the f**k is up because you are clueless. Also, by your hilariously stupid and futile attempt of debunking my accurate claim, nobody effing said that good inputs should always be hits. You did, buddy, so shut your mouth. Good inputs usually result in hits, however, real life does take place and sometimes find gloves. Oh, and, if somebody puts a good swing on the ball, it wouldn't be going foul, would it? Bad swings where your PCI so much as touches the ball results in a foul ball. I don't know what you're complaining about, but clearly, this doesn't penetrate your pea-sized brain.

And again you dense dumazz, I'm not saying every good input should be a hit.

Nuance really escapes you. It's truly fascinating. Why don't you go back and reread my posts because and try to get you goldfish memory to rember that this critcism is about horrible balancing between RNG and user input when it comes to swi g quality.

@GoozeFn_PSN said in Remember when user input mattered?:

@Afromeister_XBL Talk about reaching. “The worst input” isn’t resulting in the best outcomes. The worst inputs more often than not result in a swing and miss. At best it’s a foul and yes maybe we need to adjust foul balls, but what you are saying simply isn’t true. The best inputs, perfect perfects, are a hit the vast majority of the time.

A foul ball is a good outcome for a bad swing.

Foul balls on bad swings happen at a higher rate than misses and outs combined. Maybe you should start paying attention to the batter anlaysis more. You'd recognize the pattern.

@The_Joneser_PSN

A perfect pinpoint pitch will not affect the result of the a person squaring up the ball.

In fact, pitching PAR is STILL bugged with pitches landing outside of the PAR region, resulting in hung pitches down the middle.

It's incredibly ironic that you are trying so hard to play the intellect card and yet you use generalities and misinformation to try and support your argument.

Just stop.

@The_Joneser_PSN said in Remember when user input mattered?:

@Afromeister_XBL said in Remember when user input mattered?:

You morons have literally the same dumb argument every time based on an incorrect assumption that good inputs should always be hits.

I don't know how could make this more clear for your pea brain.

Dunning Kruger Effect. Look it up. I don't know nor do I care how good you are at lining up the ball in crosshairs, because your understanding of what is happening in the game and your ability to form a cogent argument are incredibly poor, at best. You might have incredibly fast reactions with your fingers, but your brain is not keeping pace. And, yet, here you are, insulting people like you know what you're talking about.

You're assuming that simple "RNG" is culprit; it's much more likely that what you're seeing is the interplay of attributes, and, this year, the pitcher attributes seem to matter more than they have in years past. That would affect outcomes and not make them governed simply by where the reticle is placed and your timing. The benefit or harm of that is subjective, but your ridiculous take lacks any data and compensates only with vitriol. You don't even make an attempt to account for all the variables that go into an at-bat in this game... you just wail like an infant.

No one except the developers of this game have anything more to go on than anecdotal evidence drawn from very small samples relative to the data we don't have, so anything that any one of us is saying when it comes to background mechanics is a guess. Some people know how to navigate that with a bit of class and understanding and they give their opinions with (at least some) sense of decorum. You don't.

Your diatribes are a guess at what is happening. Nothing more. The only thing verifiably true about anything you're saying is that you're throwing a tantrum over a game.

Grow up.

Ahh yes.. pitching attributes are why the worst swings are rewarded more than the good ones.

Pitching attributes do not affect the result of the squared up swing. They affect inner and out PCI size, while the confidence meter can be affect LA and ball direction, but only when a pitcher has no confidence is it noticeable.

You are reaching MASSIVELY.

Hitting attributes affect the RNG of the launch angle and the EV.

Power hitting archetypes get the most favorable flyball launch angles.

Balanced hitting archetype is in the middle.

Contact hitting archetype gets the lowest flyball LAs.

You can look this info up within the game.

It explains how the RNG works.

SDS also used to have a Community Stats page to offer a level of transparency to swing quality averages.

PPs have never been over .800.

Anyone who plays online can point out how bad the scripting is in this game. If you have 2 lineouts in an inning, your opponent is likely going to have at least one horrific swing lead to a single or double. This isn't anecdotal. It's an easy to replicate scenario.

It is more than fair to criticize this gameplay. My problem with you and commentors like you is that you are not only unreceptive to the criticism, you make sweeping conclusions about why a person is criticizing the hitting. You deserved to be called out for it because it's old, tiring and lacks any sort of nuance.

@Lhubison58_MLBTS

This year's game is more forgiving to players like you, who aren't as consistent with their swing quality.

The gameplay mechanics have substantially lowered the skill gap because a player who can't hit at all will still find themselves in games because the meatballs they're throwing are linouts.

You may like that style of gameplay, but to me, it's rancid because it devalues the importance of user input.

If I want to play games that come down to chance, I'll go play cards or a board game.

@TheBigPapa55_PSN

You morons have literally the same dumb argument every time based on an incorrect assumption that good inputs should always be hits.

I don't know how could make this more clear for your pea brain.

If the best inputs are going to be punished more, the worst ones should also be punished more. Instead, the worst inputs are now rewarded more with foul balls and slow grounders where defenders are slow to react or have zero urgency to throw the ball.

User input needs to matter online because the mode is set for a "competitive" setting. SDS has said as much.

Instead, we get terrible scripting where RNG will heavily favor one team. That's awful gameplay.

@SpawnOfDitka_XBL Even good players are struggling to overcome [censored] game mechanics.

I've had countless games where my hard contact and good contact averages are below .300 out 19+ swings. Meanwhile, my opponent will have 50+ extreme timed swings, 5 hits and 4 outs.

This game is too heavily scaled toward RNG over the better inputs.

@Pergo_MLBTS

Yes, the game plays like real baseball.

Meanwhile, my opponent just had his 35th foul ball on a very early swing in the dirt.

This game doesn't play real at all. You have pitchers throwing 103 consistently, while 95+ EVs are outs at higher rates than IRL.

Stop it with this moronic line.

@Pergo_MLBTS said in Remember when user input mattered?:

Every time I lose its because the game is broken and every time I win its because I am so good!

Do you get paid by the glaze?

This has nothing to do with "everytime I win." This game rewards bad inputs more than good ones.

Before you try to throw out BAs of which you do not have for this game, reward bad swings isnt just hits, it's foul balls.

The worst timings and worst pci placements get rewarded with foul balls 3x times as often as they are punished with outs.

Meanwhile, squaring the ball up results more often than not results in outs.

@SpawnOfDitka_XBL buddy, the top players HATE this year's game because the best inputs are punished more than the worst.

The skill gap has slowly narrowed over the past 3 titles and morphed into this RNG fest.

This game is just one big pile of rancid RNG where the best swings are punished, while your opponent chases everything with horrific timing and is rewarded with foul ball after foul ball until a very late jam shot finds grass.

This series used to be fun, but the scripting is worse than what you find on Madden and 2K.

Congrats SDS, you did it. You really reached the bottom.

@hustlinowl_psn said in Is there a mod or dev I can send evidence to of a cheater using Zen to pitch?:

FYI stamina is bugged using pinpoint

I've heard people claim that, but that still doesn't discount me reporting a cheater. I have legitimate evidence that the dude was using it through pitch analysis. I can post a picture on the reddit page. I'd rather just send the info to a dev or mod to investigate.

All you are going to see are pitches at the corners and nothing down the middle or way outside the zone.

I played a player in BR, who blatantly used cronus zen to pitch.

He was able to throw 39 pitches with Shane Green, dot corners the entire time and still have yellow stamina. The pitch analysis I screen grabbed shows that all of his pitches are in tight locations; zero hung pitches or wildly out of zone throws.