Pack odds are manipulated.
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Far as I'm concerned, putting baseball cards on bike spokes for "engine" noise was the most useful purpose they ever provided! Paper with a photo on it. That's what they are. When baseball cards started to become big business, I knew society had truly lost its way in terms of affixing value.
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Agree. Haven’t you heard millennials had the best time to be kids and the worst time to be adults. Being a very early millennial myself I absolutely agree that my childhood was great and adult life not so much given the state of the world and economy.
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That’s the biggest issue. 99% of the diamonds pulled are quick sell low diamonds.
Finally! Someone admits what you’ve all really been complaining about!
And, your estimate is surprisingly close. The odds of pulling a 90+ live series card right now is about 1:495.
Low. But not manipulated.
Back to the topic at hand
Yep. these have been posted before but here they are again. Everybody knows, or should know that the odds get lower as the OVR gets higher.
| OVR | Card Count | Per-Card Odds | Cumulative Odds for OVR | Approx. Odds | | ---------------------: | ---------: | ------------: | ----------------------: | -----------: | | 85 | 15 | 0.042% | 0.630% | 1 in 159 | | 86 | 10 | 0.050% | 0.500% | 1 in 200 | | 87 | 5 | 0.025% | 0.125% | 1 in 800 | | 88 | 3 | 0.031% | 0.093% | 1 in 1,075 | | 89 | 4 | 0.024% | 0.096% | 1 in 1,042 | | 90 | 6 | 0.025% | 0.150% | 1 in 667 | | 91 | 3 | 0.012% | 0.036% | 1 in 2,778 | | 93 | 1 | 0.008% | 0.008% | 1 in 12,500 | | 95 | 1 | 0.008% | 0.008% | 1 in 12,500 | | **Total Live Diamond** | **48** | — | **1.646%** | **1 in 61** | -
Unrewarding is the word you're looking for. Sums up this game perfect. It is by far the most unrewarding game I've ever played. 2nd most being 25 because they are going in the wrong direction.
This is so full of hyperbole it doesn’t even really warrant a response. But I will anyway.
I know everyone likes to sh|t all over this game, but it is easily still the most rewarding game of any that have all this collection junk. You receive more free cards from The Show than any of the others. It is by far the easiest to complete collections without spending money than any of the others.
It may be harder today than it was 5 years ago, but it was almost comically easy. The cycle ebbs and flows. Back in 18 I think it was impossible to get all the cards unless you literally played like 23 hours a day (hyperbole alert here, too).
This is the 4th year out of the last 5 I have completed the LS before the end of June. I spend ZERO money on the game. I just open a lot of packs. A lot of FREE packs.
The game may feel unrewarding, but it’s extremely rewarding. Tedious at times… maybe even boring… but it’s definitely rewarding.
So no, the word I was looking for was low. Not manipulated. Not unrewarding. Nothing else.
And even then, I’d argue “low” is relative. You have a better chance at getting a 90+ live series than you do of getting struck by lightning. So, there’s some positivity for you!
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@JDHalfrack_PSN this game is more rewarding than madden, but maddens packs are better.
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I will say, opening packs is not rewarding. Last year, the entire 2025 season I somehow never pulled a live series diamond higher than 15K in value. I was convinced they blacklisted my account for flipping too much.
This year I started off super strong with a Judge pull, a few Sotos and some others. Lately I haven’t been pulling much though. I think 4 total diamonds since the glitch exploiters ruined the game, but 2 of them were good (Skubal and I think JRam). But far under 1:50 as of late. And come to think of it, pretty sure those good pulls were from Ballin’ packs.
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@JDHalfrack_PSN I already told you if they are including diamond uniform pulls as part of the odds. Or Including any other diamonds into the show packs they are manipulating live series odd pulls. Ive kept this post about show packs and live series odds the entire time. I have not deviated.
Example if you get a city scape diamond out of a regular show pack, that takes the place of the live series pull, its manipulation. Your argument stating that you would rather have a program diamond over a live series is not valid on this post. I want the live series pulls, that is the only chance of getting ohtani or judge from a show pack.
My final argument is these other diamonds in show packs are drastically lowering the live series pull odds even further.
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@JDHalfrack_PSN I already told you if they are including diamond uniform pulls as part of the odds. Or Incuding any other diamonds into the show packs they are manipulating live series odd pulls. Ive kept this post about show packs and live series odds the entire time. I have not deviated.
But they are not.
The odds of pulling a live series diamond player is 1.646
The odds of pulling a Mural Series Diamond is 0.082
The odds of pulling a Summer Series diamond is 0.162
The odds of pulling a Vintage Series diamond is 0.083That adds up to 1.973 which actually works out to 1 in 50.68
I don't think it specifies a 1 in 50 chance to get a live series diamond anywhere. It simply says
1:50 85+ Diamond Player
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@JDHalfrack_PSN I already told you if they are including diamond uniform pulls as part of the odds. Or Including any other diamonds into the show packs they are manipulating live series odd pulls. Ive kept this post about show packs and live series odds the entire time. I have not deviated.
Example if you get a city scape diamond out of a regular show pack, that takes the place of the live series pull, its manipulation. Your argument stating that you would rather have a program diamond over a live series is not valid on this post. I want the live series pulls, that is the only chance of getting ohtani or judge from a show pack.
My final argument is these other diamonds in show packs are drastically lowering the live series pull odds even further.
The diamond rates are based on PLAYERS, not the first slot. They DO include ALL diamond player possibilities, though. We've already established this either earlier in this thread or in another thread. Dolenz posted the rates again right above me. He forgot the red diamonds, though, so he got 1.973%. The red diamonds make up 0.028% of a chance, so the actual percentage is slightly over 2% --> 2.001%.
If you're looking at just LS diamonds, it's about 1.646%.
I already conceded to you about the fact you are mentioning LS diamonds. And I still contend that using the word "manipulation" is incorrect. They've never stated LS diamonds are 1:50. I also still argue that a diamond is a diamond is a diamond, even if you just want or are specifically referring to LS diamonds. What does it matter if you get a low vintage diamond card vs a low LS diamond card? You're selling them both anyway.
As TripleH accidentally admitted earlier, the complaints about pull rates has nothing to do with diamonds. It has to do with
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@JDHalfrack_PSN ok well the odds do not have to be so stingy. Its not even the odds of show packs anymore. Its everything else. Like needing to obtain 15k pxp for premier packs, that also have ugly disgusting odds attached to them. Couldnt even give us choice premier packs and the odds of getting a summer premier pack is low. Then even if you can defy the odds and get a summer premier pack the odds of pulling a top tier level cards on the summer packs are also disgustingly low. Its everything now. Its a complete bad odds on top of bad odds.... bad odds to get something.. to have bad odds again when you do. Compounding bad odds on top of bad odds. You get my point. Making for a very unrewarding experience and a waist of time.
I had to play through the summer mini seasons two and a half times, to get those premier packs. Its a slap in the face.
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I would like to take this moment to thank my fans. Almost 10k views. Lmao.
