HOW did get to a point where ONE LS card is 700K?
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Point me to a year where the card prices have been so cheap it's not ever worth it? All they're doing is front flooding the market and then limiting the amount of selling. This isn't hard, this is basic economics 101.
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There are so many diamonds right now within shouting distance of QS and as cheap as they've ever been. I mean what could go wrong with less stubs and the same amount of card supply?
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Point me to a year where the card prices have been so cheap it's not ever worth it? All they're doing is front flooding the market and then limiting the amount of selling. This isn't hard, this is basic economics 101.
how can card prices so simultaneously so cheap and the LS collection being the most expensive to this time period any other year? It's 2.6M on the low end to get the LS done. Save for opening week, it didn't spike up being this high until the 500K cap got removed AND a stud sale occurred. I know because I finished around April 4th last year and my all-in cost was about 2.2M.
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@aaronjw76_PSN Because it's all predicated on or 2 cards holding up the entire market.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Point me to a year where the card prices have been so cheap it's not ever worth it? All they're doing is front flooding the market and then limiting the amount of selling. This isn't hard, this is basic economics 101.
23-24 because it was 99's right put of the gate. Think ohtani was like 50k max those years
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It's nuts.
I've grinded my [censored] off, had one lucky pull (Ohtani), have more than 20 teams done and am still more than 1.3M stubs away from completing live series.As a full NMS guy, I know getting it done early is rare, but I have put all my resources into getting live series done and i'm still 1.3M stubs off.
That's just stupid.
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wait so the argument here is that people theoretically selling their cards for less is what is making cards more expensive?
Make it make sense please.
The prices on LS cards ,bronzes and silvers being low (what ppl pull from packs they earn) makes making stubs harder and actually does increase the value of rare cards.
That is only one of many factors involved in the high diamonds prices, another big one is for the such a very low pull rate to begin with- how many keep instead of selling because of how high the price is.IMO, the biggest factor in driving some of the LS diamond cards prices is the same as it was last year.
SDS, for the first time last year didn't flood the game with a bunch of 99OVR cards that could be earned by turning on the game. This has made some of those higher end diamonds more valuable in theory. There is no way an 88OVR card should be running 50K for one team while an 88OVR is 10K for another team.
In years past, one team would hold a "gatekeeper" card for the division like Ohtani for the NLW, or Judge for the NLE. These cards were expensive because they were the final step to completing the division. Now, there are several teams from each division holding these high value cards. ALC used to be the easiest to complete, but now Witt is 150K, Ramirez is 160K, Skubal is 100K, and on and on it goes. Its nuts! -
700k for a card that has a terrible swing. At least when Trout was a gatekeeper he was viable.
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@Beaterrr_XBL Ohtani is a beast at lower levels second he hits hof tho unusable. I dh live series Soto over him in hof.
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wait so the argument here is that people theoretically selling their cards for less is what is making cards more expensive?
Make it make sense please.
The prices on LS cards ,bronzes and silvers being low (what ppl pull from packs they earn) makes making stubs harder and actually does increase the value of rare cards.
That is only one of many factors involved in the high diamonds prices, another big one is for the such a very low pull rate to begin with- how many keep instead of selling because of how high the price is.IMO, the biggest factor in driving some of the LS diamond cards prices is the same as it was last year.
SDS, for the first time last year didn't flood the game with a bunch of 99OVR cards that could be earned by turning on the game.I disagree. Prior to the 2 years where we had 95-99 cards at launch the cost to complete LS hovered around 1.9-2.2M in the first month to 6 weeks. During the 2 years with the high OVR cards... LS cost to complete was 1.7-1.9M.
Now we are at 2.6M on the low end..it did dip to about 2.3M-2.4M for a few days but its been steady 2.6M for majority of the time since launch.
I don't know exactly what has caused this but my gut tells me there are less people playing DD and pulling packs but obviously I have no real idea as to the reason(s).
It sure is fing frustrating tho lol
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@Beaterrr_XBL and he's not usable as a pitcher above all-star. I agree with this 100%
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I don't know exactly what has caused this but my gut tells me there are less people playing DD and pulling packs but obviously I have no real idea as to the reason(s).
this, right here. I think the player base is down. It didnt help that the first week of the game, it was literally unplayable for most. the 20 card limit isn't about flipping most people i know who flip will buy a lot of 10, and sell them, the reason is if you find a honey pot of a player to flip it lasts about 10 mins before other flippers realize it. the 20 card limit hurts guys who buy up say Paul Skenes when he's a bronze (yes he started as a bronze) and hold him a couple player attribute update cycles and sell him for 5k. We haven't even had a player update cycle yet.
Bottomline, i think everyone here has valid arguments. Its not 1 thing its a combo of many. Mainly....the player base has fallen off, and will continue honestly til SDS gets the game in order. This year even a couple of weeks in with the massive amount of flaws the game has it might be too late.
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Live series cards should be free since everyone of these players will have 99s. They drop so much content through the season will will still buy stubs to get cards to flip etc.
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@LIONED-33_XBL my main concern with the flaws is it’s continuing to get worse not better. I can get past flaws while seeing improvements every game has flaws especially early that’s just part of it but the trend of just going backwards lately is the most concerning it has major online issues due to new programs coming out because of AI which really isn’t on the game because it’s so new but it’s unplayable online to the point that the biggest streamer in the game decided yesterday that he’s simply not gonna play it and take a stand. And their solution? Create a random app restriction un announced to [censored] off the other half of the player base heading into a holiday weekend these people have no clue when they will get there access back. Sunday they will all go spend time with family in which case they may talk about games and just decide there done play this one. Like it’s not even 1 step forward 2 steps back it’s just straight back that’s most concerning
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@LIONED-33_XBL my main concern with the flaws is it’s continuing to get worse not better. I can get past flaws while seeing improvements every game has flaws especially early that’s just part of it but the trend of just going backwards lately is the most concerning it has major online issues due to new programs coming out because of AI which really isn’t on the game because it’s so new but it’s unplayable online to the point that the biggest streamer in the game decided yesterday that he’s simply not gonna play it and take a stand. And their solution? Create a random app restriction un announced to [censored] off the other half of the player base heading into a holiday weekend these people have no clue when they will get there access back. Sunday they will all go spend time with family in which case they may talk about games and just decide there done play this one. Like it’s not even 1 step forward 2 steps back it’s just straight back that’s most concerning
I 100% don't disagree. Its too bad too, because when you actually play or get to play the game play is really good. its everything else that [censored] the bed. You're right they fix one thing and 3 other things break. Take shrinking sliders....they removed them...nope. They were put in the game to help with the foul balls as they say...guess what its not just sliders, its sinkers, curveballs, splits/forks, and foul balls are still awful.
If they dont get this under control, they'll be done far before the All-Star Break where most players fall off becuse madden or College football is out.
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I’d say less than that most of what I’m hearing in various twitch streams from user comments is there patience is going to last until the end of the first inning which is fair my major concern with that is we already know weekend classics not going to go well personally I already know this so it’s not going to make any changes for me personally but I think that’s when the fall offs going to take a huge nose dive
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I would assume the online player base is down, but the offline player base is probably putting more time into it than past years simply because its far more rewarding than past years. Its night and day.
Last year I would just finish the conquest maps and mini season once, and then go play something else. There was nothing to do because the repeatables for miniseasons were [censored], and DQ sucks.
This year with the WBC miniseason being so quick and rewarding I'll typically run through that once a day, sometimes Ill do NT as well which is also quick. Not to mention im still having fun using all the WBC cards
The Shohei thing really is difficult to explain.
Packs are certainly WAY up, I would be shocked if they werent up by 300% or more. The rate hasnt changed, so supply is up.But Shohei held at over 600k up until I think January or Feb, so the demand is there long term. So the increase in supply isnt dropping his price. And of course more people are holding him this year.
The other impact this has had is any card that isnt live series is cheaper. That Trout card, given it is a special insert of a quite limited pack and arguably the best non "red diamond" card in the game wouldn't have ever been as low as 70k in past year. Its going up now because of no new ones entering the marker, but i was shocked at how cheap it was. Ted Williams is relatively cheap. People are clearly going all in on live series.
And none of that makes sense because everyone complained that Tulo wasn't an exciting reward
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One reason is who the 2 gatekeepers are.
Ohtani has won every mvp except the year judge hit 62 homers, judge has won the mvp except for the years Ohtani did, last year was one of the best years for Ohtani and last year WAS Judges best season, both are healthy and showing indications that they will have another monster season -
One reason is who the 2 gatekeepers are.
Ohtani has won every mvp except the year judge hit 62 homers, judge has won the mvp except for the years Ohtani did, last year was one of the best years for Ohtani and last year WAS Judges best season, both are healthy and showing indications that they will have another monster seasonno one is buying these cards for investment purposes. Even going up to a 93 won't have a drastic impact on their value.
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One reason is who the 2 gatekeepers are.
Ohtani has won every mvp except the year judge hit 62 homers, judge has won the mvp except for the years Ohtani did, last year was one of the best years for Ohtani and last year WAS Judges best season, both are healthy and showing indications that they will have another monster seasonno one is buying these cards for investment purposes. Even going up to a 93 won't have a drastic impact on their value.
Agreed. Investments have to be as close to qs at purchase price as possible to be viable for most people. Hardly anyone is grabbing those two for investment reasons.
