Integral SC Additions to 26
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I know, I know...another post about a mode "nobody cares about"(plethora of evidence to the contrary). But there are several additions to the Creator that need to be made if they wish to continue keeping it viable.
1- If you're not going to provide full playing surface control, then SDS you should be providing 10 to 15 templates for foul territory. This would be separate from the outfield wall templates. Give us five of the MLB templates, then the other ten can be the various minor league parks (Shippet, Barnes Canyon, BayFront, etc). This will provide the ability to creators to make things more unique, greater variety of styles...and then make ALL the space usable with no dead zones. The "jewel-box" was outdated about 1 week after release in '21. This wouldn't be a difficult implementation. With the game allegedly releasing on PC for '26, the mods will be quick to follow, so you may as get on board with it.
2- Outfield dimensions should have a "min/max" requirement applied in order to keep the stadiums online eligible. Right now it's "oh, I see you moved your wall a 1/4", ineligible for online play" Utilizing a min/max setting would not only allow stadium creators/users to play with these stadiums online...but keep the "cheater" stadiums like Lagrasa out of picture unless used for Franchise or RTTS/Offline. Gives creators more freedom, keeps lame exploit stadiums out. Two stones with one bird: Chuck Norris-style
3- Applying the ground-trim logic to the walls would go a long, LONG way in quality of the creation suite. Currently, when you take a section of seat and sink it into the ground, it neatly trims that section to the nearest row. Take that trim logic, and code it into the walls to make them the hardpoint. You've now created the ability to make clean, seamless designs without awkward dead space.
4- Batter's Eyes need to be attachable, and potentially movable/lowerable...they absolutely cannot continue to be these massive untouchable things. The biggest problem is their "shadow" is way too big- even the flat sides that have a bit of an overhand from a ledge create a solid no-go zone straight down. The Minnestoa eye for example is next to useless because of it's design shadow and awkward shape...however if it were made attachable, this would eliminate the ugly useless space. Angel Hill is another one...the shrubs stick out like 6", and because of that you can't cleanly align anything to it...not to mention it sits WAY too high. One of the newer "generic" eyes, it's the brick building with cream roof and balcony, would be PERFECT for tons of things if we could add some fans to the walkway, lower it a bit. It also has t hat slight edge that makes it impossible to make a clean alignment.
5- Integrate more useful props...different seating styles, ability to tarp off seats, maybe add more eyes from all the ballparks. Can we get different flags? At the bare minimum, the countries competing in the WBC. With the wall textures, can we have an option for Wrigley style Ivy? Having the ivy as a prop is next to useless, so making it a texture is the logical thing.
Five. Five simple things. We can add "retractable roof" to make it an even half-dozen. These things alone would represent a huge leap forward to the stadium creator. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's far more popular than people realize, or care to admit.
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People care, but SDS doesn't.
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This isnt directly related to stadium creator, but can we get actual minor league stadiums please? I love the stand ins we have, but can we put those on a seperate tab and have all the actual minor league ballparks. Is there an issue with getting them in the game?
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@Talkingben9558_XBL said in Integral SC Additions to 26:
This isnt directly related to stadium creator, but can we get actual minor league stadiums please? I love the stand ins we have, but can we put those on a seperate tab and have all the actual minor league ballparks. Is there an issue with getting them in the game?
While I share your desire, I think it's more an issue of the sheer volume of MiLB stadiums, something like 120 I think? That's a lot of travelling for scanning.
If they give us the things the community has been asking for for years, creators can replicate them.
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@Sarge1387_PSN said in Integral SC Additions to 26:
@Talkingben9558_XBL said in Integral SC Additions to 26:
This isnt directly related to stadium creator, but can we get actual minor league stadiums please? I love the stand ins we have, but can we put those on a seperate tab and have all the actual minor league ballparks. Is there an issue with getting them in the game?
While I share your desire, I think it's more an issue of the sheer volume of MiLB stadiums, something like 120 I think? That's a lot of travelling for scanning.
If they give us the things the community has been asking for for years, creators can replicate them.
This is absolutely true!
The main motivation behind me running with the discovered option to modify baseline and backstop wall panels in our version of Stadium Creator was to show the entire MLB The Show community what is possible by the single and simple option to move all the wall panels.
So, with this option in hand, I created historic ballparks that were almost perfect replications of the wall layouts of actual parks from the beginnings of professional baseball to the 1950's. This included the first Milwaukee County Stadium with fully accurate wall layout, including the baseline walls. Also done was Ebbets Field in the same fully accurate manner.
Yes, other artificial limits placed in SC by SDS kept Ebbets Field from being fully replicated, primarily SDS's stubborn insistence that one of their default batters eye props be placed in their mandatory fixed location. This is because SDS cares more about asserting their control over the customers than allowing reasonable freedom. Ebbets Field of course never had a so-called batters eye. Instead, like stadiums of its era, it had fans sitting in stands.
This is why pitchers back then could have success with a high curveball. The ball would get into the sightline of the fans in the stands in dead centerfield. I realize that this stuff isn't fair for online competition games, and that is why the code in our version of SC should have allowed such deviations from "standard setup," but invoked a ban on the resulting stadium from online competition play, including game options that allowed play versus the CPU to skew DD team strength.
But, the option to create such stadiums was the draw for Stadium Creator and why so many MLB The Show customers advocated strongly for its addition. When it happened, it was rejoiced, but that praise came with the expectation that the initial shortcomings would be corrected over time. We never expected it to be a "here it is now stop bothering us" game mode!
The person who created our version of SC is no longer with SDS. I know this because I have spoken with the person. He dreamed of a the community filling in the understandable gaps in stadiums, which is the whole point why the vault was created. It was hoped by him that the community would create lovingly crafted stadiums that including those historic venues and minor league parks the OP asked for.
Using the enabled stadiums with the option to move all wall panels, I created another version of the Class-A stadium used by the Carolina Mudcats. It finally allowed me to pinch in the baseline walls. Other issues prevent full replication. All these issues are easily solved by SDS, but SDS doesn't want to do it. They want to keep customer created stadiums degraded, even combined with the reality that SDS will never develop all the MiLB stadiums, just like they will never include all the MiLB teams in the game.
SDS would prefer to see the customers go without what they reasonably desire than allow even the customers to create the desired content themselves. It is selfish, coy, and entirely wrongheaded. I earnestly hope the entire MLB The Show customer base sees this accurately and raises a level of anger against SDS that forces wholesale changes in leadership there, which is the only way we get these long overdue improvements to the game.
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Bumpity bump bump
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Easiest way to fix SC is to either get rid of it completely or code it that Created Stadiums are only allowed to be used offline.
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@x-814-x-MAFIA-x_PSN said in Integral SC Additions to 26:
get rid of it completely
Unfortunately, this is one of the right ways. I hate that you're bang on. If you're not going to properly upgrade it or cripple it to the point where you can't do much with it...you're just deliberately sandbagging the mode.
@x-814-x-MAFIA-x_PSN said in Integral SC Additions to 26:
code it that Created Stadiums are only allowed to be used offline.
I agree with aspects of this. I think they shouldn't be allowed in H2H/Ranked modes, which is 100% fair- they did that for 25. If they've done that, then they need to remove the "online" restrictions of the stadium, and let us build them how we wish (with above mentioned min/max settings) to use in games vs CPU/Mini-Seasons in DD
