Joe Carter most underrated player
-
Joe finally gets a decent card after the disrespect of last year. If you don’t understand the greatness of Joe Carter it’s because you never saw him play and base all of your baseball opinions on poorly understood and over used sabermetrics. Thank you SDS. Now if we can make sure that his card is better than the likes of Hiuf, Hafner and Gordon who were all inferior
-
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
-
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
Farris you don't know what you're getting yourself into with this guy
-
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
WAR is a terrible stat, it's an estimation with a bunch of assumptions and makes for horrible baseball conversation. It's not meant to be used the way most use it either.
The rest of Joe Carters stats, his actual real production -- very vanilla. Solid player but not great.
One of the all time most clutch moments though.
But overall it's laughable he's a 93 overall.
-
Dude was the epitome of “pretty good.”
-
@notoriousHEB said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
But overall it's laughable he's a 93 overall.
It's actually extremely appropriate that he's a 93. Touch 'em all Joe
-
Okay, but Carter wasn’t even that good by traditional statistics. He was a stat packer. He hit .259 in his career and only led the league once in a major stat (RBI’s). He was a below average defender, and yeah he could hit home runs, but again, he never led the league in that stat. The only reason he accumulated the stats he did was because he avoided injuries and was consistently put in a lineup spot that allowed him to drive in so many runs.
-
@Original_Quad said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Okay, but Carter wasn’t even that good by traditional statistics. He was a stat packer. He hit .259 in his career and only led the league once in a major stat (RBI’s). He was a below average defender, and yeah he could hit home runs, but again, he never led the league in that stat. The only reason he accumulated the stats he did was because he avoided injuries and was consistently put in a lineup spot that allowed him to drive in so many runs.
Guess those managers who put him in those lineup spots didn't know much about baseball...because...uh..WAR and stuff. Lol
-
@notoriousHEB said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
WAR is a terrible stat, it's an estimation with a bunch of assumptions and makes for horrible baseball conversation. It's not meant to be used the way most use it either.
The rest of Joe Carters stats, his actual real production -- very vanilla. Solid player but not great.
One of the all time most clutch moments though.
But overall it's laughable he's a 93 overall.
If WAR is terrible. Why do all the best players have the best WAR?......
“WAR is a terrible stat”
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
-
WAR is terribly defensive heavy I find. You’ll find some players with high WAR that can’t hit a lick
-
@GrandpaShaft said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@notoriousHEB said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
WAR is a terrible stat, it's an estimation with a bunch of assumptions and makes for horrible baseball conversation. It's not meant to be used the way most use it either.
The rest of Joe Carters stats, his actual real production -- very vanilla. Solid player but not great.
One of the all time most clutch moments though.
But overall it's laughable he's a 93 overall.
If WAR is terrible. Why do all the best players have the best WAR?......
“WAR is a terrible stat”
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
Why do some of the best players ever have the most HRs? Why do some of the best pitchers ever have the most Ks?
We should base our judgement of batters solely off HRs and pitchers solely off Ks.
-
@abbyspapa said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@GrandpaShaft said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@notoriousHEB said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
WAR is a terrible stat, it's an estimation with a bunch of assumptions and makes for horrible baseball conversation. It's not meant to be used the way most use it either.
The rest of Joe Carters stats, his actual real production -- very vanilla. Solid player but not great.
One of the all time most clutch moments though.
But overall it's laughable he's a 93 overall.
If WAR is terrible. Why do all the best players have the best WAR?......
“WAR is a terrible stat”
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
Why do some of the best players ever have the most HRs? Why do some of the best pitchers ever have the most Ks?
We should base our judgement of batters solely off HRs and pitchers solely off Ks.
Idk what you are getting at really. Im just not sure how its terrible when front offices use it and the best players in the game have the highest WAR year in and year out.
-
@Hikes83 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
WAR is terribly defensive heavy I find. You’ll find some players with high WAR that can’t hit a lick
Name 10
-
@Hikes83 said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
WAR is terribly defensive heavy I find. You’ll find some players with high WAR that can’t hit a lick
Because defense is actually extremely important. A run saved is as good as a run scored. That’s why Ryan Zimmerman has twice as much WAR as Carter despite the fact that his hitting doesn’t seem nearly as impressive.
-
@GrandpaShaft said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@abbyspapa said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@GrandpaShaft said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@notoriousHEB said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
WAR is a terrible stat, it's an estimation with a bunch of assumptions and makes for horrible baseball conversation. It's not meant to be used the way most use it either.
The rest of Joe Carters stats, his actual real production -- very vanilla. Solid player but not great.
One of the all time most clutch moments though.
But overall it's laughable he's a 93 overall.
If WAR is terrible. Why do all the best players have the best WAR?......
“WAR is a terrible stat”
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
Why do some of the best players ever have the most HRs? Why do some of the best pitchers ever have the most Ks?
We should base our judgement of batters solely off HRs and pitchers solely off Ks.
Idk what you are getting at really. Im just not sure how its terrible when front offices use it and the best players in the game have the highest WAR year in and year out.
Confirmation bias? Because MLB front offices solely base player value off WAR right? That must explain why Lewis Brinson keeps getting a job. Lol
-
@abbyspapa said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Original_Quad said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Okay, but Carter wasn’t even that good by traditional statistics. He was a stat packer. He hit .259 in his career and only led the league once in a major stat (RBI’s). He was a below average defender, and yeah he could hit home runs, but again, he never led the league in that stat. The only reason he accumulated the stats he did was because he avoided injuries and was consistently put in a lineup spot that allowed him to drive in so many runs.
Guess those managers who put him in those lineup spots didn't know much about baseball...because...uh..WAR and stuff. Lol
I’m not saying he wasn’t a good hitter. But he had a low average, very low OBP, and the reason he drove in those runs is because the people in front of him could get on base, therefore, he had many more opportunities to drive them in.
The reason his managers hit him in middle of the order spots is because they based their lineups off the same ideas you’re suggesting.
The whole point is that you don’t even have to look at WAR to figure out Joe Carter wasn’t a great player.
-
@abbyspapa said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@GrandpaShaft said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@abbyspapa said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@GrandpaShaft said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@notoriousHEB said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Neil Walker has a higher career WAR than Carter. Neil. Walker. In fewer years.
The stats don't lie.
WAR is a terrible stat, it's an estimation with a bunch of assumptions and makes for horrible baseball conversation. It's not meant to be used the way most use it either.
The rest of Joe Carters stats, his actual real production -- very vanilla. Solid player but not great.
One of the all time most clutch moments though.
But overall it's laughable he's a 93 overall.
If WAR is terrible. Why do all the best players have the best WAR?......
“WAR is a terrible stat”
Then why do the best players ever have the highest WAR? Why do guys like Trout, Mookie and yelich always have the highest WAR year in and year out. Hmmmm. Must be terrible.
Why do some of the best players ever have the most HRs? Why do some of the best pitchers ever have the most Ks?
We should base our judgement of batters solely off HRs and pitchers solely off Ks.
Idk what you are getting at really. Im just not sure how its terrible when front offices use it and the best players in the game have the highest WAR year in and year out.
Confirmation bias? Because MLB front offices solely base player value off WAR right? That must explain why Lewis Brinson keeps getting a job. Lol
I never said that. But they do in fact factor WAR into things. Once again how is it “terrible” when the best players in the game have the highest WAR every year.
Lewis Brinson has a job because he is 25 and probably still on a minor League deal on the worst team in baseball. Odds are he is not in the league at 28. Would you like to try again and actually explain why WAR is a terrible state. Im just confused how Mike trout has the best WAR annually and hes clearly the best player alive. Seems to be working.
-
@Original_Quad said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@abbyspapa said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@Original_Quad said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
Okay, but Carter wasn’t even that good by traditional statistics. He was a stat packer. He hit .259 in his career and only led the league once in a major stat (RBI’s). He was a below average defender, and yeah he could hit home runs, but again, he never led the league in that stat. The only reason he accumulated the stats he did was because he avoided injuries and was consistently put in a lineup spot that allowed him to drive in so many runs.
Guess those managers who put him in those lineup spots didn't know much about baseball...because...uh..WAR and stuff. Lol
I’m not saying he wasn’t a good hitter. But he had a low average, very low OBP, and the reason he drove in those runs is because the people in front of him could get on base, therefore, he had many more opportunities to drive them in.
The reason his managers hit him in middle of the order spots is because they based their lineups off the same ideas you’re suggesting.
So these managers put someone with a very low average and OBP in the spot where they wanted someone who would drive in the runners that were on base?
Man, these guys had no idea how baseball works!
Lucky for them it worked out so well!
-
@abbyspapa said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
So these managers put someone with a very low average and OBP in the spot where they wanted someone who would drive in the runners that were on base?
Man, these guys had no idea how baseball works!
They wrote a book about it and everything!
https://www.amazon.com/Moneyball-Art-Winning-Unfair-Game/dp/0393324818
-
@SaveFarris said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
@abbyspapa said in Joe Carter most underrated player:
So these managers put someone with a very low average and OBP in the spot where they wanted someone who would drive in the runners that were on base?
Man, these guys had no idea how baseball works!
They wrote a book about it and everything!
https://www.amazon.com/Moneyball-Art-Winning-Unfair-Game/dp/0393324818
Thank god for that! Really helped the A's win all those World Series since it was published in 2004.
