Market Bots?
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Oh I know there is no proof and if a random bid drives down price I get it as that happens all the time. However, when it’s those weird intervals and we’re talking like single posts of over 20 cards in a short window it doesn’t smell quite right.
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Tinfoil hat only part-way on...
...is there any legal language that allows SDS to manipulate the market or that prohibits it from doing so? Serious question. You know that disclaimer we all just scroll to the bottom of and check "yes" on when we boot up the game for the first time -- is there something there relating to this?
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@TripleH-4481 said in Market Bots?:
Oh I know there is no proof and if a random bid drives down price I get it as that happens all the time. However, when it’s those weird intervals and we’re talking like single posts of over 20 cards in a short window it doesn’t smell quite right.
I just bought like 80 Bellis a few days ago at 300 and posted them all for 510 yesterday. So...it happens.
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Oh I don’t mean posting all for 1 price. I mean you will see 1 each posted for 510, 507, 504, 501, 498, 495, 492. All this within just a few minutes killing your margin. If I see 80 of a card posted at 510 on a single card that’s clearly a flipper thing and as long as it doesn’t drastically undercut the market I don’t care one bit.
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@TripleH-4481 said in Market Bots?:
Oh I don’t mean posting all for 1 price. I mean you will see 1 each posted for 510, 507, 504, 501, 498, 495, 492. All this within just a few minutes killing your margin. If I see 80 of a card posted at 510 on a single card that’s clearly a flipper thing and as long as it doesn’t drastically undercut the market I don’t care one bit.
I do that all the time, too. When I clear my binder, I sell for 1 stub less than the current low buy now price. I assume thousands out there are doing the same with all sorts of cards.
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I put in 100+ orders for LS Burnes at 1 stub intervals yesterday.
That said, my wife thinks I'm a bot. "I'm a CPA, not a robot! I'm a real boy!"
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@yankblan said in Market Bots?:
« Allegedly » being the key word here
Exactly, the notion first popped up in 22 I think, and it seemed to gain a bit more traction last year with how they nerfed the market a bit, and then this year. There's some credence to it, but it's nothing that SSD would ever admit to. There's just so much blatant skullduggery from AAA pubs to monetize anymore I wouldn't put it past them
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yea it started a few years back. 100% market manipulation. it's just a way to keep prices where they want them. less would buy Stubbs if you could just use the market. occasionally there will be huge margins/profitable buys but they never fill and always get outbid instantly.
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Playing the market if half the fun of the game. They should leave it alone.
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I feel like I should put on a tin foil hat reading this nonsense.
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@Tylerslikewhoa said in Market Bots?:
I feel like I should put on a tin foil hat reading this nonsense.
If you can't at least acknowledge the possibility of this being a thing, especially with how they're heavily trying to force people into microtransactions, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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Until somebody can point to something we signed saying they can't do this, the possibility is real.
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I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy just that it’s odd behavior even by market standards. Tyler is just an SDS shill and apologist that would defend them no matter what so his opinion is null and void on basically anything and everything MLBTS related.
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Ridiculous; sure a company will expose itself to millions in damages just to get what, a couple hundred thousands more in potential revenue? Not profit, revenue...
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@yankblan said in Market Bots?:
Ridiculous; sure a company will expose itself to millions in damages just to get what, a couple hundred thousands more in potential revenue? Not profit, revenue...
No it wouldn't if we signed off on it.
Not saying a believe it, just playing devil's advocate.
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@yankblan said in Market Bots?:
Ridiculous; sure a company will expose itself to millions in damages just to get what, a couple hundred thousands more in potential revenue? Not profit, revenue...
It's not ridiculous. And there's no way shape or form it would expose them to "millions in damages", so no idea where you came up with that... You can be the slimiest businessman around, but if it's all legal, which this is...you can do it all you want. Doesn't mean it's the way to go.
It's entirely within the realm of possibilities SDS is doing that, again with the heavy emphasis on the pack/stub store this year...it's 100% possible.
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@Sarge1387 Nope, not legal. Yes they can restrict how you make stubs all you want, even do away with the market if they want to.
But market manipulation (with bots or other means), which is misleading your customers, THAT will expose you to a [censored] ton of legal trouble.
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@TripleH-4481 that and he is a SDS employee
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@yankblan said in Market Bots?:
@Sarge1387 Nope, not legal. Yes they can restrict how you make stubs all you want, even do away with the market if they want to.
But market manipulation (with bots or other means), which is misleading your customers, THAT will expose you to a [censored] ton of legal trouble.
It's not "misleading" though...if it's even there it's utilizing the power of suggestion and capitalizing on consumer's impatience. Predatory? Yup. Unethical? Yup. Illegal? Not a chance. Nobody's claiming that's the case, what we are saying is there's enough evidence to at least acknowledge that "hey, maybe they are doing something funky with the market to keep margins small as possible, not likely...but maybe"
Your "legality" argument might stand on a leg with the way they're doing packs now. Which is the EA "Lootbox" style of gambling on packs, which IS something they got in massive trouble for.
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it's legal. I've heard someone admit it back in the day, also, if you've ever flipped cards, you can plainly see it. no biggie, there's work arounds.
edit: and I'm not sure even if it's bots or just employees. but definitely manipulation.
