Would removing Outlier improve the game?
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what does the outlier quirk do?
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@magicjordan818_PSN said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
what does the outlier quirk do?
The definition says “primary pitch exceeds the max velocity limit”. Which means it can go higher than 101. Many feel that it is more than that though and they feel pitchers with “outlier” have fastballs that are significantly harder to time up than a regular 99-101 fastball.
Pitchers like Nolan, Bob Gibson, Duran, deGrom, some Verlander cards all have outlier.
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@IrishFist412_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
@jaychvz_XBL said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
Why , it still way too easy for 99s to hit tanks on 95 mph fastballs.
Not on HOF & Legend.
I hit much better on those difficulties than AS. There is less randomness. And most players that regularly play on those difficulties will say the same regardless of the outlier argument. So speak for yourself when you make that assumption.
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@IrishFist412_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
Before I begin - I understand this will never happen. SDS loves outlier & continues to only increase it’s effectiveness every year. Next year’s game you’ll probably be able to hit 108 regularly lol. This post is simply asking the question “What if?”
Last year Madden removed Escape Artist as an ability & by all accounts it drastically improved the game (the game is still garbage but this was a big improvement). I feel that outlier is the same as escape artist in that it is a crutch quirk for people that can’t pitch well…Would removing it from the game improve the online gameplay? My opinion is yes. What are your thoughts?
Why would they? We have pitchers out there who regularly are hitting triple digits. At least this year not every pitch is 102 mph. It’s much more realistic this year than in years past. I’ve seen Randy Johnson throwing between 97-103 this year whereas in years past it was 102 every pitch with his fastball. My guess is you need to practice to recognize the pitch at the release point. Just guessing with good players is only going to frustrate you.
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The thing about the 100+ mile per hour pitch is the guys that do throw it don’t throw it 80 times a game. Maybe the game should deduct more stamina for each time you utilize it?
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The problem with outlier fastballs is connections. In a good connection game it is a little fast but not imposible, you can actually read and react. Outlier in a bad connection game is like 115mph. SDS’ biggest effort should be to improve connectivity instead of content. Can’t enjoy good content in a game where timing is king while having to deal with very high latency.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
No, but it should be toned down a bit. Too many pitchers have it and it should be 100-101, not 104. I don’t remember Pedro or Kerry Wood ever touching triple digits and if they ever did, it sure wasn’t 104.
^^^This. Outlier should be way more rare. Online you go against an outlier pitcher like 95% of all at bats. It’s only like 2 pitchers without it on my squad because of 99 Kimbrel and 99 Jansen.
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Outlier is a crutch
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@Dookie-Possum_XBL said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
Outlier is a crutch
So Duran, Hicks, Ohtani, and the rest of the guys who throw 100-104 should sacrifice their fastball in this game because outlier is a crutch. Or the legends that threw over 100. Come on bud that’s a silly argument.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
@IrishFist412_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
Before I begin - I understand this will never happen. SDS loves outlier & continues to only increase it’s effectiveness every year. Next year’s game you’ll probably be able to hit 108 regularly lol. This post is simply asking the question “What if?”
Last year Madden removed Escape Artist as an ability & by all accounts it drastically improved the game (the game is still garbage but this was a big improvement). I feel that outlier is the same as escape artist in that it is a crutch quirk for people that can’t pitch well…Would removing it from the game improve the online gameplay? My opinion is yes. What are your thoughts?
Why would they? We have pitchers out there who regularly are hitting triple digits. At least this year not every pitch is 102 mph. It’s much more realistic this year than in years past. I’ve seen Randy Johnson throwing between 97-103 this year whereas in years past it was 102 every pitch with his fastball. My guess is you need to practice to recognize the pitch at the release point. Just guessing with good players is only going to frustrate you.
In contrast, in years past, you only had a few pitchers throwing that hard. There are far more pitchers this year hitting triple digits regularly.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
@IrishFist412_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
Before I begin - I understand this will never happen. SDS loves outlier & continues to only increase it’s effectiveness every year. Next year’s game you’ll probably be able to hit 108 regularly lol. This post is simply asking the question “What if?”
Last year Madden removed Escape Artist as an ability & by all accounts it drastically improved the game (the game is still garbage but this was a big improvement). I feel that outlier is the same as escape artist in that it is a crutch quirk for people that can’t pitch well…Would removing it from the game improve the online gameplay? My opinion is yes. What are your thoughts?
Why would they? We have pitchers out there who regularly are hitting triple digits. At least this year not every pitch is 102 mph. It’s much more realistic this year than in years past. I’ve seen Randy Johnson throwing between 97-103 this year whereas in years past it was 102 every pitch with his fastball. My guess is you need to practice to recognize the pitch at the release point. Just guessing with good players is only going to frustrate you.
Most pitchers that throw 100 mph are only doing it like 2-4 times a game I think you’re confusing video games with reality
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@TPB-Violet-9_XBL said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
@IrishFist412_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
Before I begin - I understand this will never happen. SDS loves outlier & continues to only increase it’s effectiveness every year. Next year’s game you’ll probably be able to hit 108 regularly lol. This post is simply asking the question “What if?”
Last year Madden removed Escape Artist as an ability & by all accounts it drastically improved the game (the game is still garbage but this was a big improvement). I feel that outlier is the same as escape artist in that it is a crutch quirk for people that can’t pitch well…Would removing it from the game improve the online gameplay? My opinion is yes. What are your thoughts?
Why would they? We have pitchers out there who regularly are hitting triple digits. At least this year not every pitch is 102 mph. It’s much more realistic this year than in years past. I’ve seen Randy Johnson throwing between 97-103 this year whereas in years past it was 102 every pitch with his fastball. My guess is you need to practice to recognize the pitch at the release point. Just guessing with good players is only going to frustrate you.
Most pitchers that throw 100 mph are only doing it like 2-4 times a game I think you’re confusing video games with reality
Aside the fact that dead people or senior citizens make up a majority of some people’s lineups this game is supposedly a simulation of the real sport of baseball not an arcade game.
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@TPB-Violet-9_XBL said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
@IrishFist412_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
Before I begin - I understand this will never happen. SDS loves outlier & continues to only increase it’s effectiveness every year. Next year’s game you’ll probably be able to hit 108 regularly lol. This post is simply asking the question “What if?”
Last year Madden removed Escape Artist as an ability & by all accounts it drastically improved the game (the game is still garbage but this was a big improvement). I feel that outlier is the same as escape artist in that it is a crutch quirk for people that can’t pitch well…Would removing it from the game improve the online gameplay? My opinion is yes. What are your thoughts?
Why would they? We have pitchers out there who regularly are hitting triple digits. At least this year not every pitch is 102 mph. It’s much more realistic this year than in years past. I’ve seen Randy Johnson throwing between 97-103 this year whereas in years past it was 102 every pitch with his fastball. My guess is you need to practice to recognize the pitch at the release point. Just guessing with good players is only going to frustrate you.
Most pitchers that throw 100 mph are only doing it like 2-4 times a game I think you’re confusing video games with reality
Duran is not throwing 100 2-3 times a game he’s throwing 10-15 a game and he’s a closer. Hunter Greene throws 40-50 percent of his fastballs in the triple digits. That works out to approximately 20-25 a game. So your incorrect with that assessment. Heck Clase is tossing consistent triple digit cutters. Where are you getting your info from?
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
@TPB-Violet-9_XBL said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
@IrishFist412_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
Before I begin - I understand this will never happen. SDS loves outlier & continues to only increase it’s effectiveness every year. Next year’s game you’ll probably be able to hit 108 regularly lol. This post is simply asking the question “What if?”
Last year Madden removed Escape Artist as an ability & by all accounts it drastically improved the game (the game is still garbage but this was a big improvement). I feel that outlier is the same as escape artist in that it is a crutch quirk for people that can’t pitch well…Would removing it from the game improve the online gameplay? My opinion is yes. What are your thoughts?
Why would they? We have pitchers out there who regularly are hitting triple digits. At least this year not every pitch is 102 mph. It’s much more realistic this year than in years past. I’ve seen Randy Johnson throwing between 97-103 this year whereas in years past it was 102 every pitch with his fastball. My guess is you need to practice to recognize the pitch at the release point. Just guessing with good players is only going to frustrate you.
Most pitchers that throw 100 mph are only doing it like 2-4 times a game I think you’re confusing video games with reality
Duran is not throwing 100 2-3 times a game he’s throwing 10-15 a game and he’s a closer. Hunter Greene throws 40-50 percent of his fastballs in the triple digits. That works out to approximately 20-25 a game. So your incorrect with that assessment. Heck Clase is tossing consistent triple digit cutters. Where are you getting your info from?
I believe he said most. Whenever they show a chart of 100 MPH pitches it has Greene on top with a number then pitchers 2-5 combined have thrown 1/10th the number of pitches combined over 100 than he has. That being said, the fact that everyone does it should make hitting it easy by now.
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These guys are also constantly getting hurt nowadays so maybe just slap them with a durability of like 10 and we can make everyone happy.
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@IrishFist412_MLBTS said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
Would removing it from the game improve the online gameplay? My opinion is yes. What are your thoughts?
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Outlier is only difficult to hit on legend lol
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I don’t think it would be as bad if they only gave it to players who actually throw it. But then people complain that they’re “unusable” compared to the players with outlier. And now we’re here.
Just like everyone complained that anyone under like 90 power is unusable. Now everyone has juiced power instead of just making the game more balanced. Although power does seem a little less important this year.
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@genopolanco_PSN said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
I don’t think it would be as bad if they only gave it to players who actually throw it. But then people complain that they’re “unusable” compared to the players with outlier. And now we’re here.
Just like everyone complained that anyone under like 90 power is unusable. Now everyone has juiced power instead of just making the game more balanced. Although power does seem a little less important this year.
Can you tell me who they have given outlier to that doesn’t or had not thrown 100 plus? There are cards they should’ve been given outlier to like the 400 save Craig Kimbrell that don’t have it. Early in his career he was consistently hitting 100 plus.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in Would removing Outlier improve the game?:
No, but it should be toned down a bit. Too many pitchers have it and it should be 100-101, not 104. I don’t remember Pedro or Kerry Wood ever touching triple digits and if they ever did, it sure wasn’t 104.
I wasn't able to find out the total number of times Kerry Wood did hit 100 MPH, but he did it at least twice during his 20 K game. That was the only listing I could find. I suspect that was the norm for him until his arm finally gave out.
However, this further proves your point that it's very hard to hit that speed more than a handful of times a game.
