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The game plays crappy on lower tiers. I’m having so many issues this early. I’m not good by any means, but once I got even to “pennant race” in ‘20 I could tell a difference in game play. That’s what I’m saying about it being a gamble. Then you dig yourself in such a rut trying to figure out what you’re doing wrong you adjust to a point that it’s screwing yourself over. I sat around 700’s last year and have been up to 500’s once this year. I’ll never get to World Series, but Jesus something’s gotta give.
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So I've been told that pci's are too small and don't get hits ever without being in the small center pci but now we get hits without the pci touching the ball?
Yawn.
https://imgur.com/gallery/JxOEKI1
Game winning triple by me.
So I was right then that the outer pci is part of the pci
If you want to defend a hit like that, so be it.
When you play the game on all star you're going to get stuff like that. That's why people say the game plays better on hall of fame.
Exactly, wins/loses in the mid to lower levels are fake. The game fabricates them and controls outcomes. Should that have been a hit? Heck no, but the game made it happen and I won because of it. Stuff like that happens because they want to retain players, plain and simple.
Or it happens because the game is too easy, sometimes you get a hit when you're early on the ball, the game doesn't control outcomes, if it does then I would like to thank Ramone, Tips, Victor, all the guys at SDS for allowing me to lose 4 games on my run to world series, because of them for the last 3-4 years the odds have ever been in my favour.
Too easy or too forgiving? Not sure bout you but I’d rather lose to someone who could hit and not lose to someone who the game was too forgiving with their hits. The better hitter should always win, that doesn’t happen in this game. Throw in the errors and garbage pitching....absolutely the game has an influence in outcomes.
Both, too easy and too forgiving, the game has always been too easy on all star, that's why people have always said the game plays better on hall of fame and legend, all star is a casual mode.
I agree, that’s why I said the wins/loses are fabricated. It’s a matter of who gets favored the most that determines the winner.
Lol not fabricated you dolt get your tinfoil cap off
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So I've been told that pci's are too small and don't get hits ever without being in the small center pci but now we get hits without the pci touching the ball?
Yawn.
https://imgur.com/gallery/JxOEKI1
Game winning triple by me.
So I was right then that the outer pci is part of the pci
If you want to defend a hit like that, so be it.
When you play the game on all star you're going to get stuff like that. That's why people say the game plays better on hall of fame.
Exactly, wins/loses in the mid to lower levels are fake. The game fabricates them and controls outcomes. Should that have been a hit? Heck no, but the game made it happen and I won because of it. Stuff like that happens because they want to retain players, plain and simple.
Or it happens because the game is too easy, sometimes you get a hit when you're early on the ball, the game doesn't control outcomes, if it does then I would like to thank Ramone, Tips, Victor, all the guys at SDS for allowing me to lose 4 games on my run to world series, because of them for the last 3-4 years the odds have ever been in my favour.
Too easy or too forgiving? Not sure bout you but I’d rather lose to someone who could hit and not lose to someone who the game was too forgiving with their hits. The better hitter should always win, that doesn’t happen in this game. Throw in the errors and garbage pitching....absolutely the game has an influence in outcomes.
Both, too easy and too forgiving, the game has always been too easy on all star, that's why people have always said the game plays better on hall of fame and legend, all star is a casual mode.
I agree, that’s why I said the wins/loses are fabricated. It’s a matter of who gets favored the most that determines the winner.
Nah, I can outhit any of the nonsense that all star seems to have, it's not fabricated, it's fabricated for guys who aren't good enough to beat the nonsense
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So I've been told that pci's are too small and don't get hits ever without being in the small center pci but now we get hits without the pci touching the ball?
Yawn.
https://imgur.com/gallery/JxOEKI1
Game winning triple by me.
So I was right then that the outer pci is part of the pci
If you want to defend a hit like that, so be it.
When you play the game on all star you're going to get stuff like that. That's why people say the game plays better on hall of fame.
Exactly, wins/loses in the mid to lower levels are fake. The game fabricates them and controls outcomes. Should that have been a hit? Heck no, but the game made it happen and I won because of it. Stuff like that happens because they want to retain players, plain and simple.
Or it happens because the game is too easy, sometimes you get a hit when you're early on the ball, the game doesn't control outcomes, if it does then I would like to thank Ramone, Tips, Victor, all the guys at SDS for allowing me to lose 4 games on my run to world series, because of them for the last 3-4 years the odds have ever been in my favour.
Too easy or too forgiving? Not sure bout you but I’d rather lose to someone who could hit and not lose to someone who the game was too forgiving with their hits. The better hitter should always win, that doesn’t happen in this game. Throw in the errors and garbage pitching....absolutely the game has an influence in outcomes.
Both, too easy and too forgiving, the game has always been too easy on all star, that's why people have always said the game plays better on hall of fame and legend, all star is a casual mode.
I agree, that’s why I said the wins/loses are fabricated. It’s a matter of who gets favored the most that determines the winner.
why do you bother with this guy? He's on these forms 24/7. All he does is comment on everyone's threads about this game. He constantly has to tell people that he made World Series and how many wins and losses he has as if it's impressing anybody or that it means anything in real life. People are not allowed to rant about this video game because he says he is good at it. He doesn't realize some people play this just out of fun and don't take it seriously because in the end all it is is a stupid video game. It is not real life. Just ignore him.
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The game plays crappy on lower tiers. I’m having so many issues this early. I’m not good by any means, but once I got even to “pennant race” in ‘20 I could tell a difference in game play. That’s what I’m saying about it being a gamble. Then you dig yourself in such a rut trying to figure out what you’re doing wrong you adjust to a point that it’s screwing yourself over. I sat around 700’s last year and have been up to 500’s once this year. I’ll never get to World Series, but Jesus something’s gotta give.
Maybe you just weren't that good in 19 and benefited from the ridiculous number of bloops that happened.
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So I've been told that pci's are too small and don't get hits ever without being in the small center pci but now we get hits without the pci touching the ball?
Yawn.
https://imgur.com/gallery/JxOEKI1
Game winning triple by me.
So I was right then that the outer pci is part of the pci
If you want to defend a hit like that, so be it.
When you play the game on all star you're going to get stuff like that. That's why people say the game plays better on hall of fame.
Exactly, wins/loses in the mid to lower levels are fake. The game fabricates them and controls outcomes. Should that have been a hit? Heck no, but the game made it happen and I won because of it. Stuff like that happens because they want to retain players, plain and simple.
Or it happens because the game is too easy, sometimes you get a hit when you're early on the ball, the game doesn't control outcomes, if it does then I would like to thank Ramone, Tips, Victor, all the guys at SDS for allowing me to lose 4 games on my run to world series, because of them for the last 3-4 years the odds have ever been in my favour.
Too easy or too forgiving? Not sure bout you but I’d rather lose to someone who could hit and not lose to someone who the game was too forgiving with their hits. The better hitter should always win, that doesn’t happen in this game. Throw in the errors and garbage pitching....absolutely the game has an influence in outcomes.
Both, too easy and too forgiving, the game has always been too easy on all star, that's why people have always said the game plays better on hall of fame and legend, all star is a casual mode.
I agree, that’s why I said the wins/loses are fabricated. It’s a matter of who gets favored the most that determines the winner.
why do you bother with this guy? He's on these forms 24/7. All he does is comment on everyone's threads about this game. He constantly has to tell people that he made World Series and how many wins and losses he has as if it's impressing anybody or that it means anything in real life. People are not allowed to rant about this video game because he says he is good at it. He doesn't realize some people play this just out of fun and don't take it seriously because in the end all it is is a stupid video game. It is not real life. Just ignore him.
If people played the game just for fun they wouldn't come to a forum complaining saying the game is trash because they felt they weren't winning enough... Just food for thought...
I played Star Wars Jedi Fallen order for fun, I didn't go to their forum to complain about anything with the game, I play 2K for fun, I don't go to their forum to complain when I lose games.
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So I've been told that pci's are too small and don't get hits ever without being in the small center pci but now we get hits without the pci touching the ball?
Yawn.
https://imgur.com/gallery/JxOEKI1
Game winning triple by me.
So I was right then that the outer pci is part of the pci
If you want to defend a hit like that, so be it.
When you play the game on all star you're going to get stuff like that. That's why people say the game plays better on hall of fame.
Exactly, wins/loses in the mid to lower levels are fake. The game fabricates them and controls outcomes. Should that have been a hit? Heck no, but the game made it happen and I won because of it. Stuff like that happens because they want to retain players, plain and simple.
Or it happens because the game is too easy, sometimes you get a hit when you're early on the ball, the game doesn't control outcomes, if it does then I would like to thank Ramone, Tips, Victor, all the guys at SDS for allowing me to lose 4 games on my run to world series, because of them for the last 3-4 years the odds have ever been in my favour.
The game isn’t too easy, some of us are getting screwed down here playing against the odds.
why did the game choose you to screw over and play against the odds and not me?
Probably cause you blow your entire paycheck on the game, then complain that a common pitcher is striking you out with a knuckleball.
Nope, I bought stubs in MLB the show 16, that year I finished 20 games over .500 on the year, since then the lowest I've finished has been ranked 233 lifetime. So how come when I didn't spend money on the game I've been hundreds of games over .500? Why did the game choose me as one of the "chosen ones"
But you’re complaining about a common pitcher constantly. Nobody that high up is playing teams using him.
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So I've been told that pci's are too small and don't get hits ever without being in the small center pci but now we get hits without the pci touching the ball?
Yawn.
https://imgur.com/gallery/JxOEKI1
Game winning triple by me.
So I was right then that the outer pci is part of the pci
If you want to defend a hit like that, so be it.
When you play the game on all star you're going to get stuff like that. That's why people say the game plays better on hall of fame.
Exactly, wins/loses in the mid to lower levels are fake. The game fabricates them and controls outcomes. Should that have been a hit? Heck no, but the game made it happen and I won because of it. Stuff like that happens because they want to retain players, plain and simple.
Or it happens because the game is too easy, sometimes you get a hit when you're early on the ball, the game doesn't control outcomes, if it does then I would like to thank Ramone, Tips, Victor, all the guys at SDS for allowing me to lose 4 games on my run to world series, because of them for the last 3-4 years the odds have ever been in my favour.
Too easy or too forgiving? Not sure bout you but I’d rather lose to someone who could hit and not lose to someone who the game was too forgiving with their hits. The better hitter should always win, that doesn’t happen in this game. Throw in the errors and garbage pitching....absolutely the game has an influence in outcomes.
Both, too easy and too forgiving, the game has always been too easy on all star, that's why people have always said the game plays better on hall of fame and legend, all star is a casual mode.
I agree, that’s why I said the wins/loses are fabricated. It’s a matter of who gets favored the most that determines the winner.
why do you bother with this guy? He's on these forms 24/7. All he does is comment on everyone's threads about this game. He constantly has to tell people that he made World Series and how many wins and losses he has as if it's impressing anybody or that it means anything in real life. People are not allowed to rant about this video game because he says he is good at it. He doesn't realize some people play this just out of fun and don't take it seriously because in the end all it is is a stupid video game. It is not real life. Just ignore him.
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So I've been told that pci's are too small and don't get hits ever without being in the small center pci but now we get hits without the pci touching the ball?
Yawn.
https://imgur.com/gallery/JxOEKI1
Game winning triple by me.
So I was right then that the outer pci is part of the pci
If you want to defend a hit like that, so be it.
When you play the game on all star you're going to get stuff like that. That's why people say the game plays better on hall of fame.
Exactly, wins/loses in the mid to lower levels are fake. The game fabricates them and controls outcomes. Should that have been a hit? Heck no, but the game made it happen and I won because of it. Stuff like that happens because they want to retain players, plain and simple.
Or it happens because the game is too easy, sometimes you get a hit when you're early on the ball, the game doesn't control outcomes, if it does then I would like to thank Ramone, Tips, Victor, all the guys at SDS for allowing me to lose 4 games on my run to world series, because of them for the last 3-4 years the odds have ever been in my favour.
Too easy or too forgiving? Not sure bout you but I’d rather lose to someone who could hit and not lose to someone who the game was too forgiving with their hits. The better hitter should always win, that doesn’t happen in this game. Throw in the errors and garbage pitching....absolutely the game has an influence in outcomes.
Both, too easy and too forgiving, the game has always been too easy on all star, that's why people have always said the game plays better on hall of fame and legend, all star is a casual mode.
I agree, that’s why I said the wins/loses are fabricated. It’s a matter of who gets favored the most that determines the winner.
why do you bother with this guy? He's on these forms 24/7. All he does is comment on everyone's threads about this game. He constantly has to tell people that he made World Series and how many wins and losses he has as if it's impressing anybody or that it means anything in real life. People are not allowed to rant about this video game because he says he is good at it. He doesn't realize some people play this just out of fun and don't take it seriously because in the end all it is is a stupid video game. It is not real life. Just ignore him.
I’m not even sure he has the game. He just scrolls the threads
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So I've been told that pci's are too small and don't get hits ever without being in the small center pci but now we get hits without the pci touching the ball?
Yawn.
https://imgur.com/gallery/JxOEKI1
Game winning triple by me.
So I was right then that the outer pci is part of the pci
If you want to defend a hit like that, so be it.
When you play the game on all star you're going to get stuff like that. That's why people say the game plays better on hall of fame.
Exactly, wins/loses in the mid to lower levels are fake. The game fabricates them and controls outcomes. Should that have been a hit? Heck no, but the game made it happen and I won because of it. Stuff like that happens because they want to retain players, plain and simple.
Or it happens because the game is too easy, sometimes you get a hit when you're early on the ball, the game doesn't control outcomes, if it does then I would like to thank Ramone, Tips, Victor, all the guys at SDS for allowing me to lose 4 games on my run to world series, because of them for the last 3-4 years the odds have ever been in my favour.
The game isn’t too easy, some of us are getting screwed down here playing against the odds.
why did the game choose you to screw over and play against the odds and not me?
Probably cause you blow your entire paycheck on the game, then complain that a common pitcher is striking you out with a knuckleball.
Nope, I bought stubs in MLB the show 16, that year I finished 20 games over .500 on the year, since then the lowest I've finished has been ranked 233 lifetime. So how come when I didn't spend money on the game I've been hundreds of games over .500? Why did the game choose me as one of the "chosen ones"
But you’re complaining about a common pitcher constantly. Nobody that high up is playing teams using him.
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So I've been told that pci's are too small and don't get hits ever without being in the small center pci but now we get hits without the pci touching the ball?
Yawn.
https://imgur.com/gallery/JxOEKI1
Game winning triple by me.
So I was right then that the outer pci is part of the pci
If you want to defend a hit like that, so be it.
When you play the game on all star you're going to get stuff like that. That's why people say the game plays better on hall of fame.
Exactly, wins/loses in the mid to lower levels are fake. The game fabricates them and controls outcomes. Should that have been a hit? Heck no, but the game made it happen and I won because of it. Stuff like that happens because they want to retain players, plain and simple.
Or it happens because the game is too easy, sometimes you get a hit when you're early on the ball, the game doesn't control outcomes, if it does then I would like to thank Ramone, Tips, Victor, all the guys at SDS for allowing me to lose 4 games on my run to world series, because of them for the last 3-4 years the odds have ever been in my favour.
Too easy or too forgiving? Not sure bout you but I’d rather lose to someone who could hit and not lose to someone who the game was too forgiving with their hits. The better hitter should always win, that doesn’t happen in this game. Throw in the errors and garbage pitching....absolutely the game has an influence in outcomes.
Both, too easy and too forgiving, the game has always been too easy on all star, that's why people have always said the game plays better on hall of fame and legend, all star is a casual mode.
I agree, that’s why I said the wins/loses are fabricated. It’s a matter of who gets favored the most that determines the winner.
why do you bother with this guy? He's on these forms 24/7. All he does is comment on everyone's threads about this game. He constantly has to tell people that he made World Series and how many wins and losses he has as if it's impressing anybody or that it means anything in real life. People are not allowed to rant about this video game because he says he is good at it. He doesn't realize some people play this just out of fun and don't take it seriously because in the end all it is is a stupid video game. It is not real life. Just ignore him.
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So I've been told that pci's are too small and don't get hits ever without being in the small center pci but now we get hits without the pci touching the ball?
Yawn.
https://imgur.com/gallery/JxOEKI1
Game winning triple by me.
So I was right then that the outer pci is part of the pci
If you want to defend a hit like that, so be it.
When you play the game on all star you're going to get stuff like that. That's why people say the game plays better on hall of fame.
Exactly, wins/loses in the mid to lower levels are fake. The game fabricates them and controls outcomes. Should that have been a hit? Heck no, but the game made it happen and I won because of it. Stuff like that happens because they want to retain players, plain and simple.
Or it happens because the game is too easy, sometimes you get a hit when you're early on the ball, the game doesn't control outcomes, if it does then I would like to thank Ramone, Tips, Victor, all the guys at SDS for allowing me to lose 4 games on my run to world series, because of them for the last 3-4 years the odds have ever been in my favour.
Too easy or too forgiving? Not sure bout you but I’d rather lose to someone who could hit and not lose to someone who the game was too forgiving with their hits. The better hitter should always win, that doesn’t happen in this game. Throw in the errors and garbage pitching....absolutely the game has an influence in outcomes.
Both, too easy and too forgiving, the game has always been too easy on all star, that's why people have always said the game plays better on hall of fame and legend, all star is a casual mode.
I agree, that’s why I said the wins/loses are fabricated. It’s a matter of who gets favored the most that determines the winner.
why do you bother with this guy? He's on these forms 24/7. All he does is comment on everyone's threads about this game. He constantly has to tell people that he made World Series and how many wins and losses he has as if it's impressing anybody or that it means anything in real life. People are not allowed to rant about this video game because he says he is good at it. He doesn't realize some people play this just out of fun and don't take it seriously because in the end all it is is a stupid video game. It is not real life. Just ignore him.
I’m not even sure he has the game. He just scrolls the threads
I haven't complained about fierebend since day 1, after I faced him for the first time knuckleballers seem better properly balanced this year though still not great but manageable at least.
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385...the number of times I said WTF!
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