Matched up with a Directional Hitter
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PCI moves based on batter attributes they can use right stick to influence fly ball or hit on the ground. However most just press button and let player attribute take over
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
PCI moves based on batter attributes they can use right stick to influence fly ball or hit on the ground. However most just press button and let player attribute take over
The game moves the PCI for them?
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@dewrock_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
It was my friend and he solely uses Directional and has for years, he only has one hand.
I’ve been curious and suspicious about how the game caters to Directional hitters so we decided to do a test.
I was only going to throw the same pitch in the same spot (a sinker down and in right on the corner) for the length of the game and see what happens.
For the first 2 innings he couldn’t do much but keep fouling them off and eventually striking out. Then like a light switch turned on, he magically starts making hard contact and hitting line drives into the outfield. How is that possible? The PCI does not move with directional, how is he hitting a ball on the bottom corner, let alone sending hard hit line drives into the outfield? At best these hits should be nothing but choppers according to the PCI placement (ball hit on the bottom of the PCI). After I went up a few runs, it got real interesting. Now he’s sending no doubters into the stands and my fielders are letting routine hits go right passed them like they are playing on a T Ball team. The game is trying it’s hardest to keep him in it. In the late innings, with a fresh reliever, my pitches are being forced into a better part of the zone, to make it easier for him. He ties it up with another error from my SS and then on yet another sinker on the bottom corner he walks it off with another no doubter.
That was it, I was suspicious over the years and now it’s confirmed. This game caters to directional hitters and literally rewards them for doing nothing but pushing a single button.
Their claim of “stick skills reign supreme” is a flat out lie and when they say they want to make this game as “realistic” as possible, what they actually mean is, the game is basically scripted and at times there’s nothing you can do, even if your the better player, from the game deciding the winner.
I will not be purchasing next’s year’s game or any future game until they can tone this “simulation” stuff down and let the better player win 100% of the time. Is that really too much to ask for?
This my old alt account btw for those “forum detectives” out there lol.
I’m genuinely curious how your friend plays with one hand. That being said the rest of this post is ridiculous.
Directional hitting has nothing to do with a PCI. It’s strictly timing with the ability to influence the direction of the hit (although who knows how much).
I always love the posts that say “for the first x innings I was untouchable, then he started crushing me, this game is rigged”. As if a pitcher has never started a game out well only to then stink.
I will agree with you about the low sinkers being hit for homers. That defies physics to me. I’m talking a sinking pitch that is a few inches below the zone being crushed for a homer. Makes no sense.
Also, In what world should the “better” team win 100% of the time?
The video game world, otherwise what’s the point of getting better if your still going to lose to inferior players from time to time? Remember, they claim “stick skills reign supreme”…..that really doesn’t seem true all the time.
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@painpa_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
the first error is thinking there is a pci in directional hitting, there isnt it is swing timing and nothing else.
it displays in the feedback because its part of the base program.in order to not they would have to write code for it, then deal with the repercussions of 2 different feedback systemsThen why do they claim “stick skills reign supreme” when in fact directional hitters aren’t even using the sticks?
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PCI is not the bat, it is where you are looking. It's not applicable with directional. Think of the directional PCI as looking at the entire strike zone. All outcomes off the bat with directional are based on timing and player attributes. Your friend started hitting everything because the statistics based on player seeing the same pitch same local over and over again.
Directional has no advantage over zone. It's really just putting the majority of your fate in the hands of the dice roll based on attributes. With minimum user input. It's really for those who want pure sim and not for H2H competition.
The more difficult the the interface the higher the reward, outside of Zone analog combo, which would be most difficult, but as far as I know has no more reward to it than just Zone Buttons. So directional is easiest interface so you are rewarded less.
Some people are so bad with zone that they play with directional because that dice roll outcome is better than the outcome they would get based on stick skill. Me, I used to use analog until I could clearly see I was losing that dice roll too often despite having perfect inputs. You still get screwed over with perfect perfect with zone, but its a lot less often.
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@nflman2033_mlbts said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
PCI is not the bat, it is where you are looking. It's not applicable with directional. Think of the directional PCI as looking at the entire strike zone. All outcomes off the bat with directional are based on timing and player attributes. Your friend started hitting everything because the statistics based on player seeing the same pitch same local over and over again.
Directional has no advantage over zone. It's really just putting the majority of your fate in the hands of the dice roll based on attributes. With minimum user input. It's really for those who want pure sim and not for H2H competition.
The more difficult the the interface the higher the reward, outside of Zone analog combo, which would be most difficult, but as far as I know has no more reward to it than just Zone Buttons. So directional is easiest interface so you are rewarded less.
Some people are so bad with zone that they play with directional because that dice roll outcome is better than the outcome they would get based on stick skill. Me, I used to use analog until I could clearly see I was losing that dice roll too often despite having perfect inputs. You still get screwed over with perfect perfect with zone, but its a lot less often.
I’d like to see them implement a way for us to see what hitting interface our opponent is using before the game starts, then allow us to accept/decline the match. It makes sense to match opponents together who are using the same interface and therefore the better player would/should shine through. I’m sorry but, I don’t really want to play someone who is relying on a “dice roll” type hitting system.
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@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@nflman2033_mlbts said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
PCI is not the bat, it is where you are looking. It's not applicable with directional. Think of the directional PCI as looking at the entire strike zone. All outcomes off the bat with directional are based on timing and player attributes. Your friend started hitting everything because the statistics based on player seeing the same pitch same local over and over again.
Directional has no advantage over zone. It's really just putting the majority of your fate in the hands of the dice roll based on attributes. With minimum user input. It's really for those who want pure sim and not for H2H competition.
The more difficult the the interface the higher the reward, outside of Zone analog combo, which would be most difficult, but as far as I know has no more reward to it than just Zone Buttons. So directional is easiest interface so you are rewarded less.
Some people are so bad with zone that they play with directional because that dice roll outcome is better than the outcome they would get based on stick skill. Me, I used to use analog until I could clearly see I was losing that dice roll too often despite having perfect inputs. You still get screwed over with perfect perfect with zone, but its a lot less often.
I’d like to see them implement a way for us to see what hitting interface our opponent is using before the game starts, then allow us to accept/decline the match. It makes sense to match opponents together who are using the same interface and therefore the better player would/should shine through. I’m sorry but, I don’t really want to play someone who is relying on a “dice roll” type hitting system.
Understandable, I know people have wanted that for years. I always feel like the dice roll people are at a disadvantage, so it doesn't bother me as much, but again I can see a need to feel both people are playing the exact same level.
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@schwizzle_nizzle said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@dewrock_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
It was my friend and he solely uses Directional and has for years, he only has one hand.
I’ve been curious and suspicious about how the game caters to Directional hitters so we decided to do a test.
I was only going to throw the same pitch in the same spot (a sinker down and in right on the corner) for the length of the game and see what happens.
For the first 2 innings he couldn’t do much but keep fouling them off and eventually striking out. Then like a light switch turned on, he magically starts making hard contact and hitting line drives into the outfield. How is that possible? The PCI does not move with directional, how is he hitting a ball on the bottom corner, let alone sending hard hit line drives into the outfield? At best these hits should be nothing but choppers according to the PCI placement (ball hit on the bottom of the PCI). After I went up a few runs, it got real interesting. Now he’s sending no doubters into the stands and my fielders are letting routine hits go right passed them like they are playing on a T Ball team. The game is trying it’s hardest to keep him in it. In the late innings, with a fresh reliever, my pitches are being forced into a better part of the zone, to make it easier for him. He ties it up with another error from my SS and then on yet another sinker on the bottom corner he walks it off with another no doubter.
That was it, I was suspicious over the years and now it’s confirmed. This game caters to directional hitters and literally rewards them for doing nothing but pushing a single button.
Their claim of “stick skills reign supreme” is a flat out lie and when they say they want to make this game as “realistic” as possible, what they actually mean is, the game is basically scripted and at times there’s nothing you can do, even if your the better player, from the game deciding the winner.
I will not be purchasing next’s year’s game or any future game until they can tone this “simulation” stuff down and let the better player win 100% of the time. Is that really too much to ask for?
This my old alt account btw for those “forum detectives” out there lol.
I’m genuinely curious how your friend plays with one hand. That being said the rest of this post is ridiculous.
Directional hitting has nothing to do with a PCI. It’s strictly timing with the ability to influence the direction of the hit (although who knows how much).
I always love the posts that say “for the first x innings I was untouchable, then he started crushing me, this game is rigged”. As if a pitcher has never started a game out well only to then stink.
I will agree with you about the low sinkers being hit for homers. That defies physics to me. I’m talking a sinking pitch that is a few inches below the zone being crushed for a homer. Makes no sense.
Also, In what world should the “better” team win 100% of the time?
One thing. I think it's entirely possible to hit a sinker for a homerun. If you're talking about "inches below the zone", do you realize that is just inches below a hitters knee? I'm sure 99% of all MLB hitters can crush a sinker for a HR if it's just a few inches below his knee/zone. They just need to golf it.
I’m not saying it’s impossible but it happens way too often in this game. I mean I’m throwing a sinker that I’m aiming a good 4 inches below the strike zone. The results are showing that it hits the spot and they’re crushing balls out of the park. A pitch that far below the zone that has downward movement should not be getting homered as often as it does.
My opinion. Maybe I’m wrong.
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You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on "the show", that they will fight to protect it.
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@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
PCI moves based on batter attributes they can use right stick to influence fly ball or hit on the ground. However most just press button and let player attribute take over
The game moves the PCI for them?
The ability of the batter being used. Directional is strictly a batting interface that uses timing. The player can try and influence grounders or fly balls, left and right, using the d pad.
There’s no PCI. I bet you can even look in the settings and it will be greyed out when using directional.
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@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@dewrock_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
It was my friend and he solely uses Directional and has for years, he only has one hand.
I’ve been curious and suspicious about how the game caters to Directional hitters so we decided to do a test.
I was only going to throw the same pitch in the same spot (a sinker down and in right on the corner) for the length of the game and see what happens.
For the first 2 innings he couldn’t do much but keep fouling them off and eventually striking out. Then like a light switch turned on, he magically starts making hard contact and hitting line drives into the outfield. How is that possible? The PCI does not move with directional, how is he hitting a ball on the bottom corner, let alone sending hard hit line drives into the outfield? At best these hits should be nothing but choppers according to the PCI placement (ball hit on the bottom of the PCI). After I went up a few runs, it got real interesting. Now he’s sending no doubters into the stands and my fielders are letting routine hits go right passed them like they are playing on a T Ball team. The game is trying it’s hardest to keep him in it. In the late innings, with a fresh reliever, my pitches are being forced into a better part of the zone, to make it easier for him. He ties it up with another error from my SS and then on yet another sinker on the bottom corner he walks it off with another no doubter.
That was it, I was suspicious over the years and now it’s confirmed. This game caters to directional hitters and literally rewards them for doing nothing but pushing a single button.
Their claim of “stick skills reign supreme” is a flat out lie and when they say they want to make this game as “realistic” as possible, what they actually mean is, the game is basically scripted and at times there’s nothing you can do, even if your the better player, from the game deciding the winner.
I will not be purchasing next’s year’s game or any future game until they can tone this “simulation” stuff down and let the better player win 100% of the time. Is that really too much to ask for?
This my old alt account btw for those “forum detectives” out there lol.
I’m genuinely curious how your friend plays with one hand. That being said the rest of this post is ridiculous.
Directional hitting has nothing to do with a PCI. It’s strictly timing with the ability to influence the direction of the hit (although who knows how much).
I always love the posts that say “for the first x innings I was untouchable, then he started crushing me, this game is rigged”. As if a pitcher has never started a game out well only to then stink.
I will agree with you about the low sinkers being hit for homers. That defies physics to me. I’m talking a sinking pitch that is a few inches below the zone being crushed for a homer. Makes no sense.
Also, In what world should the “better” team win 100% of the time?
The video game world, otherwise what’s the point of getting better if your still going to lose to inferior players from time to time? Remember, they claim “stick skills reign supreme”…..that really doesn’t seem true all the time.
Okay so the really good players are going to win wayyyyy more often than not. But 100% of the time is clearly an irrational expectation.
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@dewrock_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@dewrock_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
It was my friend and he solely uses Directional and has for years, he only has one hand.
I’ve been curious and suspicious about how the game caters to Directional hitters so we decided to do a test.
I was only going to throw the same pitch in the same spot (a sinker down and in right on the corner) for the length of the game and see what happens.
For the first 2 innings he couldn’t do much but keep fouling them off and eventually striking out. Then like a light switch turned on, he magically starts making hard contact and hitting line drives into the outfield. How is that possible? The PCI does not move with directional, how is he hitting a ball on the bottom corner, let alone sending hard hit line drives into the outfield? At best these hits should be nothing but choppers according to the PCI placement (ball hit on the bottom of the PCI). After I went up a few runs, it got real interesting. Now he’s sending no doubters into the stands and my fielders are letting routine hits go right passed them like they are playing on a T Ball team. The game is trying it’s hardest to keep him in it. In the late innings, with a fresh reliever, my pitches are being forced into a better part of the zone, to make it easier for him. He ties it up with another error from my SS and then on yet another sinker on the bottom corner he walks it off with another no doubter.
That was it, I was suspicious over the years and now it’s confirmed. This game caters to directional hitters and literally rewards them for doing nothing but pushing a single button.
Their claim of “stick skills reign supreme” is a flat out lie and when they say they want to make this game as “realistic” as possible, what they actually mean is, the game is basically scripted and at times there’s nothing you can do, even if your the better player, from the game deciding the winner.
I will not be purchasing next’s year’s game or any future game until they can tone this “simulation” stuff down and let the better player win 100% of the time. Is that really too much to ask for?
This my old alt account btw for those “forum detectives” out there lol.
I’m genuinely curious how your friend plays with one hand. That being said the rest of this post is ridiculous.
Directional hitting has nothing to do with a PCI. It’s strictly timing with the ability to influence the direction of the hit (although who knows how much).
I always love the posts that say “for the first x innings I was untouchable, then he started crushing me, this game is rigged”. As if a pitcher has never started a game out well only to then stink.
I will agree with you about the low sinkers being hit for homers. That defies physics to me. I’m talking a sinking pitch that is a few inches below the zone being crushed for a homer. Makes no sense.
Also, In what world should the “better” team win 100% of the time?
The video game world, otherwise what’s the point of getting better if your still going to lose to inferior players from time to time? Remember, they claim “stick skills reign supreme”…..that really doesn’t seem true all the time.
Okay so the really good players are going to win wayyyyy more often than not. But 100% of the time is clearly an irrational expectation.
Then SDS should really stop claiming “stick skills reign supreme”.
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@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@dewrock_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@dewrock_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
It was my friend and he solely uses Directional and has for years, he only has one hand.
I’ve been curious and suspicious about how the game caters to Directional hitters so we decided to do a test.
I was only going to throw the same pitch in the same spot (a sinker down and in right on the corner) for the length of the game and see what happens.
For the first 2 innings he couldn’t do much but keep fouling them off and eventually striking out. Then like a light switch turned on, he magically starts making hard contact and hitting line drives into the outfield. How is that possible? The PCI does not move with directional, how is he hitting a ball on the bottom corner, let alone sending hard hit line drives into the outfield? At best these hits should be nothing but choppers according to the PCI placement (ball hit on the bottom of the PCI). After I went up a few runs, it got real interesting. Now he’s sending no doubters into the stands and my fielders are letting routine hits go right passed them like they are playing on a T Ball team. The game is trying it’s hardest to keep him in it. In the late innings, with a fresh reliever, my pitches are being forced into a better part of the zone, to make it easier for him. He ties it up with another error from my SS and then on yet another sinker on the bottom corner he walks it off with another no doubter.
That was it, I was suspicious over the years and now it’s confirmed. This game caters to directional hitters and literally rewards them for doing nothing but pushing a single button.
Their claim of “stick skills reign supreme” is a flat out lie and when they say they want to make this game as “realistic” as possible, what they actually mean is, the game is basically scripted and at times there’s nothing you can do, even if your the better player, from the game deciding the winner.
I will not be purchasing next’s year’s game or any future game until they can tone this “simulation” stuff down and let the better player win 100% of the time. Is that really too much to ask for?
This my old alt account btw for those “forum detectives” out there lol.
I’m genuinely curious how your friend plays with one hand. That being said the rest of this post is ridiculous.
Directional hitting has nothing to do with a PCI. It’s strictly timing with the ability to influence the direction of the hit (although who knows how much).
I always love the posts that say “for the first x innings I was untouchable, then he started crushing me, this game is rigged”. As if a pitcher has never started a game out well only to then stink.
I will agree with you about the low sinkers being hit for homers. That defies physics to me. I’m talking a sinking pitch that is a few inches below the zone being crushed for a homer. Makes no sense.
Also, In what world should the “better” team win 100% of the time?
The video game world, otherwise what’s the point of getting better if your still going to lose to inferior players from time to time? Remember, they claim “stick skills reign supreme”…..that really doesn’t seem true all the time.
Okay so the really good players are going to win wayyyyy more often than not. But 100% of the time is clearly an irrational expectation.
Then SDS should really stop claiming “stick skills reign supreme”.
For starters, I think you’re the only one obsessing over that. Second, the only place I’ve seen that phrase was in the description of different mode styles: casual, simulation, competitive. All those options do is pre select different gameplay settings.
Once again, you’re basing your opinion that, “stick skills” don’t “reign supreme” because you ran a super scientific experiment, of one game, against a buddy, where you spammed the same exact pitch the entire game.
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“I threw the same pitch every single time and he finally adjusted to it” doesn’t prove what you think it does.
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@savefarris_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
“I threw the same pitch every single time and he finally adjusted to it” doesn’t prove what you think it does.
How could he adjust to it? He’s a directional hitter. What you actually mean is, the game itself adjusted to it and helped him out.
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@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@savefarris_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
“I threw the same pitch every single time and he finally adjusted to it” doesn’t prove what you think it does.
How could he adjust to it? He’s a directional hitter. What you actually mean is, the game itself adjusted to it and helped him out.
Are you being purposefully obtuse?
All he’s controlling is the swing timing. The AI and the batters attributes and ability are controlling the rest. This has been explained repeatedly.
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@dewrock_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@savefarris_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
“I threw the same pitch every single time and he finally adjusted to it” doesn’t prove what you think it does.
How could he adjust to it? He’s a directional hitter. What you actually mean is, the game itself adjusted to it and helped him out.
Are you being purposefully obtuse?
All he’s controlling is the swing timing. The AI and the batters attributes and ability are controlling the rest. This has been explained repeatedly.
All he has to do is push a single button and the AI does the rest for him? Wow….that’s actually allowed in competitive online?
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@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@dewrock_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@savefarris_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
“I threw the same pitch every single time and he finally adjusted to it” doesn’t prove what you think it does.
How could he adjust to it? He’s a directional hitter. What you actually mean is, the game itself adjusted to it and helped him out.
Are you being purposefully obtuse?
All he’s controlling is the swing timing. The AI and the batters attributes and ability are controlling the rest. This has been explained repeatedly.
All he has to do is push a single button and the AI does the rest for him? Wow….that’s actually allowed in competitive online?
Yes, but they are penalized for it by having less user impact on the results.
Like it has been stated none of the top players use directional.
Think of it like this, using directional has a higher floor, but a lower ceiling as compared to zone.
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Well, I think it’s pretty obvious whose alt account this is lmao
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@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@dewrock_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@parradox-cam_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
@savefarris_psn said in Matched up with a Directional Hitter:
“I threw the same pitch every single time and he finally adjusted to it” doesn’t prove what you think it does.
How could he adjust to it? He’s a directional hitter. What you actually mean is, the game itself adjusted to it and helped him out.
Are you being purposefully obtuse?
All he’s controlling is the swing timing. The AI and the batters attributes and ability are controlling the rest. This has been explained repeatedly.
All he has to do is push a single button and the AI does the rest for him? Wow….that’s actually allowed in competitive online?
The built in attributes and skill level of the batter being used. Obviously a 99 will produce better results than a common.
