Can Anyone Explain This Crash?

SDS

I get that some people were low on stubs so they sold a couple cards to get 150k to open 5 packs and get 25k worth of players BUT why are costs down across the board?

Did EVERYONE say, I need to sell all my old inning bosses and RS/BR rewards at the same time? Enough to drop prices 50% across the board?

Or were the prices brought down artificially so the average person could complete the set coming out today

Also a subs sale today....would you buy stubs $100 stubs in November so you could afford 5 of those packs. Would you buy $300+ worth of stubs to buy Nolan Ryan at his price last week?

Something smells fishy and my girlfriend already went to work so it's not her.

SDS

Let's say everyone under cut each other by 1k-2k stubs on their sell orders. Take Vlad Sr for example. He was around 280k before Tuesday. He's now at 120k. For each sell order to be 2k less the one before it, there would have had to been 80 VLAD CARDS POSTED WITHIN A COUPLE HOURS to drop it like this.

80 cards of an old inning boss that people didn't mark as "no sell" in a collection so they could buy 30k Finest pack trash?

Yea, 80 isn't a wild number but it's like 30-40 high value cards that did this. Was there really 3200 high end, sellable rare cards that were posted all within 24 hours by actual players?

SDS

Hard to not think there wasn't some market manipulation going on here

SDS

Aliens...

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@th3l1ght_psn said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

Hard to not think there wasn't some market manipulation going on here

This. Said it when it happened but it’s my pov this was externally influenced as the market for rare cards shouldn’t crash systemically right before an announced collection comes out requiring them. If one series crashed then fine as we could likely trace the root cause of that, but literally every card series did across a lot of rare cards that don’t just all of sudden come into the market making supply exceed demand (and thus prices falls). I don’t personally care either as SDS has a vested interest in getting people engaged and making their new collection approachable but the DD market is far from a closed system imo.

SDS

People started selling off cards to buy the packs or the finest players once they were put on the Market. The finest Packs are the reason why people panic and need those cards as soon as they dropped. Not everyone saves stubs or had the stubs to get the finest packs/cards. Some people may have not known they were coming.

SDS

First, less people than you think will go for the collection. Second, once everyone saw how juiced the finest are, they dumped other cards. Third, as is typical in market crashes, selling begets more selling.

Remember, these cards have no “intrinsic value” that creates any sort of floor and supply is way higher this year

SDS

Doesn’t explain how end game cards like JV, Wagner or Chapman crash too. Nothing we get in Finest will be better than those cards and those cards are rare and not owned by lemmings who would sell for pennies on the dollar for a pack of cards. I have an advanced degree in business from arguably the top program in the world and so no one can convince me this wasn’t manipulated.

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@gradekthebard said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

First, less people than you think will go for the collection. Second, once everyone saw how juiced the finest are, they dumped other cards. Third, as is typical in market crashes, selling begets more selling.

Remember, these cards have no “intrinsic value” that creates any sort of floor and supply is way higher this year

Yeah, Paul Sewald is a huge upgrade over Sig Chapman...

SDS

@rosborn27_psn said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

Doesn’t explain how end game cards like JV, Wagner or Chapman crash too. Nothing we get in Finest will be better than those cards and those cards are rare and not owned by lemmings who would sell for pennies on the dollar for a pack of cards. I have an advanced degree in business from arguably the top program in the world and so no one can convince me this wasn’t manipulated.

Those cards have been out of awhile and people like new shinning things and must have them. We have a lot of first time players from XBOX could be a big cause of this crash. Some players suspected the Market to crash if they were first to sell those cards knowing they could buy them back at a lower cost to get the new shining Finest cards that is possible but risky.

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@ogbuttamilk_mlbts said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

I get that some people were low on stubs so they sold a couple cards to get 150k to open 5 packs and get 25k worth of players BUT why are costs down across the board?

Did EVERYONE say, I need to sell all my old inning bosses and RS/BR rewards at the same time? Enough to drop prices 50% across the board?

Or were the prices brought down artificially so the average person could complete the set coming out today

Also a subs sale today....would you buy stubs $100 stubs in November so you could afford 5 of those packs. Would you buy $300+ worth of stubs to buy Nolan Ryan at his price last week?

Something smells fishy and my girlfriend already went to work so it's not her.

get the tinfoil hat off, new 99s have came out and new finest cards that are positions in need, example aaron loup, nasty card, great lefty arm, when cards that are cheaper pprovide the same value its almost a given that the cards that were expensive drop in price because the demand for them isnt that high anymore since everyone is seling to use the new finest cards.

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@rosborn27_psn said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

Doesn’t explain how end game cards like JV, Wagner or Chapman crash too. Nothing we get in Finest will be better than those cards and those cards are rare and not owned by lemmings who would sell for pennies on the dollar for a pack of cards. I have an advanced degree in business from arguably the top program in the world and so no one can convince me this wasn’t manipulated.

Newer cards that are also endgame at cheaper prices= jv, chapman, wagner to all drop in price, also those cards are easier the obtain then in the past due to the RS program and BR Program. Your business degree must have not been that advanced if you cant understand simple things like that.

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@gixxerryder750 said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

@gradekthebard said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

First, less people than you think will go for the collection. Second, once everyone saw how juiced the finest are, they dumped other cards. Third, as is typical in market crashes, selling begets more selling.

Remember, these cards have no “intrinsic value” that creates any sort of floor and supply is way higher this year

Yeah, Paul Sewald is a huge upgrade over Sig Chapman...

No but guys like Aaron loupwho is a lefty out of the pen selling at 7k with 124 h/9 is a huge value card, It allows you sell chapman if need be to get more cards to collect.

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To the OP, if a person bought $100 or $300 worth of stubs to buy a digital card, then...well, you kind of get what you deserve.

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LS Tyler Beede has 140 sell orders at 66 stubs. Next highest price is 185.
LS Jay Jackson has 23 sell orders at 66 stubs. Next highest price is 185.
LS Sean Hjelle has 118 sell orders at 33 stubs. Next highest price is 93.
LS Jacob Webb has 108 sell orders at 22 stubs. Next highest price is 81.
LS Jay Flaa has 141 sell orders at 66 stubs. Next highest price is 163. (Plus 15 buy orders for 5 stubs)
LS Tucker Davidson has 133 sell orders at 33 stubs. Next highest price is 128.
LS Reymin Gudman has 23 sell orders at 65 stubs, followed by 25 sell orders at 64 stubs. Next highest price after that? 202.
LS Ian Krol has 67 sell orders for 55 stubs. Next highest price is 224.

This seems pretty artificial to me.

LS Drew Carlton has the following buy orders going on looking to undercut:

8 buy orders for 9 stubs
12 buy orders for 8 stubs
14 buy orders for 7 stubs
14 buy orders for 6 stubs
14 buy orders for 5 stubs.

If this isn't artificial deflation (I hope I'm using the correct term), I don't know what is.

I'll probably go and make a long list of this. There has never been a crash this severe in the history of the franchise, and it is very concerning.

SDS

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

LS

bro what? Who cares its November, cards being cheaper is awesome, ya'll stay worrying about the market and making stubs rather than actually playing the game. Its virtual currency, its not real money.

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@guccigangchuck said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

LS

bro what? Who cares its November, cards being cheaper is awesome, ya'll stay worrying about the market and making stubs rather than actually playing the game. Its virtual currency, its not real money.

Playing the market is part of playing the game, dude. It's especially important to people who don't play this game competitively online, because the market is how they earn stubs to buy the cards that drop in battle Royale, events, etc.

Also, said virtual currency can be bought with real money. So depending on whether you spent actual dollars to purchase stubs, it can be real money to a degree.

SDS

@guccigangchuck said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

@rosborn27_psn said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

Doesn’t explain how end game cards like JV, Wagner or Chapman crash too. Nothing we get in Finest will be better than those cards and those cards are rare and not owned by lemmings who would sell for pennies on the dollar for a pack of cards. I have an advanced degree in business from arguably the top program in the world and so no one can convince me this wasn’t manipulated.

Newer cards that are also endgame at cheaper prices= jv, chapman, wagner to all drop in price, also those cards are easier the obtain then in the past due to the RS program and BR Program. Your business degree must have not been that advanced if you cant understand simple things like that.

Ok tough guy. I’ll refrain from engaging with a child but let’s just agree to disagree. I could teach a course on this though…

SDS

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

@guccigangchuck said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

LS

bro what? Who cares its November, cards being cheaper is awesome, ya'll stay worrying about the market and making stubs rather than actually playing the game. Its virtual currency, its not real money.

Playing the market is part of playing the game, dude. It's especially important to people who don't play this game competitively online, because the market is how they earn stubs to buy the cards that drop in battle Royale, events, etc.

Also, said virtual currency can be bought with real money. So depending on whether you spent actual dollars to purchase stubs, it can be real money to a degree.

I think I bought $5 worth of stubs early in the year and felt dirty for like a week.

It would be great if SDS got rid of the option to purchase stubs. They won't. But at least they've made it possible for all players to get all things (BR Program, RS total wins).

SDS

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

@guccigangchuck said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Can Anyone Explain This Crash?:

LS

bro what? Who cares its November, cards being cheaper is awesome, ya'll stay worrying about the market and making stubs rather than actually playing the game. Its virtual currency, its not real money.

Playing the market is part of playing the game, dude. It's especially important to people who don't play this game competitively online, because the market is how they earn stubs to buy the cards that drop in battle Royale, events, etc.

Also, said virtual currency can be bought with real money. So depending on whether you spent actual dollars to purchase stubs, it can be real money to a degree.

I get its part of the game but you can make infinite stubs by pretty much playing the run it back showdown over and over again actually playing the game then staring at the screen doing plugging in numbers.