Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever"
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@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@smalltownkid1990 said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
Not to ruffle anybody’s feathers, but Barry Bonds clearly had the best 4 season stretch of ALL time. And that was also in the modern era…
Be Careful what you say if the player is not a yankee
I know this is tongue in cheek but this type of stuff isn't fair. I hate the Yankees and I'll even vouch for most of their all time greats in these kinds of debates. Aside from Jeter. Hella overrated...haha.
Every player that he uses in an argument is or has been a yankee. It is a fair statement
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
I don't disagree. Just saying that with so many more games played and plate appearances, he's obviously going to have more hits than Ruth. Ruth also seemed to get the Bonds treatment (before there was a Bonds treatment) and got a lot more walks than Cobb.
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@smalltownkid1990 said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
Not to ruffle anybody’s feathers, but Barry Bonds clearly had the best 4 season stretch of ALL time. And that was also in the modern era…
Taking an already HoF level player and adding an unholy amount of steroids into the mix will do that.
Which is really more advantageous, though?
Taking steroids in an era that half the players already were? Or playing against only white players where the average fastball velocity was in the low 80s? -
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
I don't disagree. Just saying that with so many more games played and plate appearances, he's obviously going to have more hits than Ruth. Ruth also seemed to get the Bonds treatment (before there was a Bonds treatment) and got a lot more walks than Cobb.
Be careful, if you defend Ruth enough you might accidentally be labeled a Yankees homer
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@smalltownkid1990 said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
Not to ruffle anybody’s feathers, but Barry Bonds clearly had the best 4 season stretch of ALL time. And that was also in the modern era…
Taking an already HoF level player and adding an unholy amount of steroids into the mix will do that.
It sucks that baseball Bud Selick ignored it for a long time and did nothing then when it got to the media baseball turned a blind eye as if it was all on the players, Selig did nothing to control or back the players. Baseball did nothing all because it was bringing in money and bringing fans back after the strike in 94. Baseball needed those years of Bonds, McGwire and Sosa, with it out how well would have baseball recovered if it was not for those years,
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
It’s not worth it, dude likes opinions over stats, not a huge numbers guy.
Even though Ruth has a 197 wRC+ to Cobbs 165 wRC+
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@smalltownkid1990 said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
Not to ruffle anybody’s feathers, but Barry Bonds clearly had the best 4 season stretch of ALL time. And that was also in the modern era…
Taking an already HoF level player and adding an unholy amount of steroids into the mix will do that.
It sucks that baseball Bud Selick ignored it for a long time and did nothing then when it got to the media baseball turned a blind eye as if it was all on the players, Selig did nothing to control or back the players. Baseball did nothing all because it was bringing in money and bringing fans back after the strike in 94. Baseball needed those years of Bonds, McGwire and Sosa, with it out how well would have baseball recovered if it was not for those years,
This, I agree with you 100%
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
It’s not worth it, dude likes opinions over stats, not a huge numbers guy.
Even though Ruth has a 197 wRC+ to Cobbs 165 wRC+
️Even if you remove all of Cobb’s seasons with less than 160 wRC+, it still only puts him at 179 wRC+.
That’s still 18 points lower than Ruth’s entire career, including his “down” years. -
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
You’re not going to get into all that because of it shows you’re wrong
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
It’s not worth it, dude likes opinions over stats, not a huge numbers guy.
Even though Ruth has a 197 wRC+ to Cobbs 165 wRC+
️I posted stats to state my opinion you just can not accept it that I think Cobb is the best ever.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
It’s not worth it, dude likes opinions over stats, not a huge numbers guy.
Even though Ruth has a 197 wRC+ to Cobbs 165 wRC+
️I posted stats to state my opinion you just can not accept it that I think Cobb is the best ever.
I accept that you think that but also that it’s wrong. You posted hits and batting average man
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
You’re not going to get into all that because of it shows you’re wrong
Best Hitter COBB
Better Base Runner COBB
Better Out Fielder COBB
Better ARM COBBMore Power RUTH
Better Pitcher Ruth. -
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
It’s not worth it, dude likes opinions over stats, not a huge numbers guy.
Even though Ruth has a 197 wRC+ to Cobbs 165 wRC+
️I posted stats to state my opinion you just can not accept it that I think Cobb is the best ever.
I accept that you think that but also that it’s wrong. You posted hits and batting average man
I posted hits, avg, sb, Ruth had double the strikouts, Cobb broke 90 plus records, he still holds the BA record, You discredit COBB because he did not hit for power but he did for his Era, Fielding plus speed plus ARM COBB was better than RUTH we are taking about the best player not the best HR KING.
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
The best player ever is not just hitting it overall , COBB was the BETTER player that is what I think you can think Ruth and that is ok.
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Cobb > Ruth
Garciaparra > Jeter -
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
The best player ever is not just hitting it overall , COBB was the BETTER player that is what I think you can think Ruth and that is ok.
Except the very best available metrics we have for both total overall value and offensive production say that Ruth was not only the better offensive player, but the better player as a whole.
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
The best player ever is not just hitting it overall , COBB was the BETTER player that is what I think you can think Ruth and that is ok.
Except the very best available metrics we have for both total overall value and offensive production say that Ruth was better.
We are not talking just offensively we are talking best ever player COBB was a better hitter than Ruth, was faster better baserunner there is more to baseball than hitting HR's. Cobb had the better arm. Cobb played the Outfield for 24 years. Was the leader in SB until 1985. I know SB does not mean anything now but it did back than. I do not need Metrics to tell me who the better hitter was or who was faster, better arm and in the field. COBB ALL AROUND was the better player.
