No new roster updates until July 30th.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@mjohns999_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@raider52morrison said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
^^^^^^^^^ My whole point is that Diamonds should be for Superstars i.e. Trout, Acuna, deGrom, Tatis etc etc. Then guys like Castellanos, Yates, Jose Ramirez are great players but not superstar levels. That is why they should create a new tier of diamonds for superstars and all the other guys can have high gold ratings or the lower blue diamond ratings.
So Trout is a superstar and the other diamonds are not? Have you watched baseball the last 3 years? Trout hasn't been top ten in a single hitting stat in a long time... I'd rather keep it how it is, so we can use the stars we want and not get stuck with the Trout top player every year. Trout isn't even the best player on his own team... If Trout is a superstar currently then most this years live diamonds deserve good cards too because they put up better numbers for consecutive years. Trout is way overated and true baseball fans want the real studs of the current MLB to have elite cards too. I know people will line up to defend Trout being the best, but before you do provide true statistical evidence that Trout is one of these 4 or 5 top superstars that deserve the only diamonds... because the real numbers can't prove that.
Blasphemy
Trout is the lebron of baseball. Both great players, all time greats but overrated for current status and overrated about how they compare to all time. Trout is a sabermetrics darling but this game has propped his stats up considering his numbers based of name value and his gatekeeping status. He isn't the best player in the league or even the most talented. I think tatis, acuna, and degrom have better claims to being gatekeeper status.
Saying this, I do think they are trying to transition from trout. I mean they upgraded both tatis(he is to high in my opinion) and acuna(my opinion should be the gatekeeper until tatis or vlad jr take over) to right below trout even tho both have been better than him in the last 2 years for sure. Now the other issue is will they sale like trout? idk because again trout is a sabermetrics guy which appeals to the media more than numbers or pure talent.
Lol show us where Acuna has ever been better than Trout? What are you looking at?
People hate the fact that Trout is the best player year in and year out. But it is fact. Not even debatable.
And what “pure talent” are you talking about? You make no sense. Trout is by far the best hitter out of everyone you mentioned and adds more value defensively than those guys too.
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@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@mjohns999_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@raider52morrison said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
^^^^^^^^^ My whole point is that Diamonds should be for Superstars i.e. Trout, Acuna, deGrom, Tatis etc etc. Then guys like Castellanos, Yates, Jose Ramirez are great players but not superstar levels. That is why they should create a new tier of diamonds for superstars and all the other guys can have high gold ratings or the lower blue diamond ratings.
So Trout is a superstar and the other diamonds are not? Have you watched baseball the last 3 years? Trout hasn't been top ten in a single hitting stat in a long time... I'd rather keep it how it is, so we can use the stars we want and not get stuck with the Trout top player every year. Trout isn't even the best player on his own team... If Trout is a superstar currently then most this years live diamonds deserve good cards too because they put up better numbers for consecutive years. Trout is way overated and true baseball fans want the real studs of the current MLB to have elite cards too. I know people will line up to defend Trout being the best, but before you do provide true statistical evidence that Trout is one of these 4 or 5 top superstars that deserve the only diamonds... because the real numbers can't prove that.
Blasphemy
Trout is the lebron of baseball. Both great players, all time greats but overrated for current status and overrated about how they compare to all time. Trout is a sabermetrics darling but this game has propped his stats up considering his numbers based of name value and his gatekeeping status. He isn't the best player in the league or even the most talented. I think tatis, acuna, and degrom have better claims to being gatekeeper status.
Saying this, I do think they are trying to transition from trout. I mean they upgraded both tatis(he is to high in my opinion) and acuna(my opinion should be the gatekeeper until tatis or vlad jr take over) to right below trout even tho both have been better than him in the last 2 years for sure. Now the other issue is will they sale like trout? idk because again trout is a sabermetrics guy which appeals to the media more than numbers or pure talent.
Lol show us where Acuna has ever been better than Trout? What are you looking at?
People hate the fact that Trout is the best player year in and year out. But it is fact. Not even debatable.
And what “pure talent” are you talking about? You make no sense. Trout is by far the best hitter out of everyone you mentioned and adds more value defensively than those guys too.
How does he add more defensively than acuna? Acuna has a top five arm in the outfield and can get to way more than trout ever could. As far as being a better hitter, he isn't necessarily a better hitter. He doesn' have to be the better hitter to be the better player. He adds more with speed and defense and is close enough in hitting to be a better player. Heck trout isn't the best hitter either. People like jd martinez and juan soto are better hitters than trout but not better players. No one is hating on trout but he isn't the best player. Again sabermetrics guys love him.
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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@mjohns999_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@raider52morrison said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
^^^^^^^^^ My whole point is that Diamonds should be for Superstars i.e. Trout, Acuna, deGrom, Tatis etc etc. Then guys like Castellanos, Yates, Jose Ramirez are great players but not superstar levels. That is why they should create a new tier of diamonds for superstars and all the other guys can have high gold ratings or the lower blue diamond ratings.
So Trout is a superstar and the other diamonds are not? Have you watched baseball the last 3 years? Trout hasn't been top ten in a single hitting stat in a long time... I'd rather keep it how it is, so we can use the stars we want and not get stuck with the Trout top player every year. Trout isn't even the best player on his own team... If Trout is a superstar currently then most this years live diamonds deserve good cards too because they put up better numbers for consecutive years. Trout is way overated and true baseball fans want the real studs of the current MLB to have elite cards too. I know people will line up to defend Trout being the best, but before you do provide true statistical evidence that Trout is one of these 4 or 5 top superstars that deserve the only diamonds... because the real numbers can't prove that.
Blasphemy
Trout is the lebron of baseball. Both great players, all time greats but overrated for current status and overrated about how they compare to all time. Trout is a sabermetrics darling but this game has propped his stats up considering his numbers based of name value and his gatekeeping status. He isn't the best player in the league or even the most talented. I think tatis, acuna, and degrom have better claims to being gatekeeper status.
Saying this, I do think they are trying to transition from trout. I mean they upgraded both tatis(he is to high in my opinion) and acuna(my opinion should be the gatekeeper until tatis or vlad jr take over) to right below trout even tho both have been better than him in the last 2 years for sure. Now the other issue is will they sale like trout? idk because again trout is a sabermetrics guy which appeals to the media more than numbers or pure talent.
Lol show us where Acuna has ever been better than Trout? What are you looking at?
People hate the fact that Trout is the best player year in and year out. But it is fact. Not even debatable.
And what “pure talent” are you talking about? You make no sense. Trout is by far the best hitter out of everyone you mentioned and adds more value defensively than those guys too.
How does he add more defensively than acuna? Acuna has a top five arm in the outfield and can get to way more than trout ever could. As far as being a better hitter, he isn't necessarily a better hitter. He doesn' have to be the better hitter to be the better player. He adds more with speed and defense and is close enough in hitting to be a better player. Heck trout isn't the best hitter either. People like jd martinez and juan soto are better hitters than trout but not better players. No one is hating on trout but he isn't the best player. Again sabermetrics guys love him.
Just because he has a better arm does not make him better defensively. Acuna isn’t that special at getting good reads off the bat. And he is nowhere near Trout’s level as a hitter. And neither are JD Martinez and Soto.
Martinez had 2 years where he was close in 2017 & 2018. Soto doesn’t have Trout’s power numbers.
Again, it’s not close. You can debate all you want who comes in 2nd but Trout is head and shoulders above everyone else
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Anyone trying to hate on Trout is ridiculous. Yes there are young players coming up right now that are going to be superstars but none of them have Trouts track record yet. Too many people are basing things off of 1 or 2 years. Bet most of you would've cut Peyton Manning after his rookie year in the NFL too
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@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@mjohns999_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@raider52morrison said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
^^^^^^^^^ My whole point is that Diamonds should be for Superstars i.e. Trout, Acuna, deGrom, Tatis etc etc. Then guys like Castellanos, Yates, Jose Ramirez are great players but not superstar levels. That is why they should create a new tier of diamonds for superstars and all the other guys can have high gold ratings or the lower blue diamond ratings.
So Trout is a superstar and the other diamonds are not? Have you watched baseball the last 3 years? Trout hasn't been top ten in a single hitting stat in a long time... I'd rather keep it how it is, so we can use the stars we want and not get stuck with the Trout top player every year. Trout isn't even the best player on his own team... If Trout is a superstar currently then most this years live diamonds deserve good cards too because they put up better numbers for consecutive years. Trout is way overated and true baseball fans want the real studs of the current MLB to have elite cards too. I know people will line up to defend Trout being the best, but before you do provide true statistical evidence that Trout is one of these 4 or 5 top superstars that deserve the only diamonds... because the real numbers can't prove that.
Blasphemy
Trout is the lebron of baseball. Both great players, all time greats but overrated for current status and overrated about how they compare to all time. Trout is a sabermetrics darling but this game has propped his stats up considering his numbers based of name value and his gatekeeping status. He isn't the best player in the league or even the most talented. I think tatis, acuna, and degrom have better claims to being gatekeeper status.
Saying this, I do think they are trying to transition from trout. I mean they upgraded both tatis(he is to high in my opinion) and acuna(my opinion should be the gatekeeper until tatis or vlad jr take over) to right below trout even tho both have been better than him in the last 2 years for sure. Now the other issue is will they sale like trout? idk because again trout is a sabermetrics guy which appeals to the media more than numbers or pure talent.
Lol show us where Acuna has ever been better than Trout? What are you looking at?
People hate the fact that Trout is the best player year in and year out. But it is fact. Not even debatable.
And what “pure talent” are you talking about? You make no sense. Trout is by far the best hitter out of everyone you mentioned and adds more value defensively than those guys too.
How does he add more defensively than acuna? Acuna has a top five arm in the outfield and can get to way more than trout ever could. As far as being a better hitter, he isn't necessarily a better hitter. He doesn' have to be the better hitter to be the better player. He adds more with speed and defense and is close enough in hitting to be a better player. Heck trout isn't the best hitter either. People like jd martinez and juan soto are better hitters than trout but not better players. No one is hating on trout but he isn't the best player. Again sabermetrics guys love him.
Just because he has a better arm does not make him better defensively. Acuna isn’t that special at getting good reads off the bat. And he is nowhere near Trout’s level as a hitter. And neither are JD Martinez and Soto.
Martinez had 2 years where he was close in 2017 & 2018. Soto doesn’t have Trout’s power numbers.
Again, it’s not close. You can debate all you want who comes in 2nd but Trout is head and shoulders above everyone else
Trout has had one year in the last 5 where he could be considered the best hitter and that was 2019. Every other year, he was an average great player. He got walked a lot which helps with his sabermetric numbers but JD was a better hitter from 2017 to 2020 overall. Juan is the best pure hitter in the game right now. He has everything in his swing. Yeah i know he isn't the analytics like trout but he is a better pure hitter than trout. He isn't a better player than trout.
Trout isn't special about reading balls either. Acuna's speed makes up the difference and having a way better arm puts him above him. Hitting wise, he most certainly is close to trout. He isn't better, but his speed brings a completely different thing to the table that trout doesn't have anymore. His power and the fact he hits relatively close to trout in terms of BA then he is most certainly is close to him.
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@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
Anyone trying to hate on Trout is ridiculous. Yes there are young players coming up right now that are going to be superstars but none of them have Trouts track record yet. Too many people are basing things off of 1 or 2 years. Bet most of you would've cut Peyton Manning after his rookie year in the NFL too
No people are looking at the last 5 years. People overrate trout like he is as good as mantle. He isn't. He is still a top 5 player in the league but he isn't the best or at the very least, it's a debatable topic. My whole thing is how the game keeps his stats up for gatekeeping purposes and not based on actual performances.
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@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
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@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@raider52morrison said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
^^^^^^^^^ My whole point is that Diamonds should be for Superstars i.e. Trout, Acuna, deGrom, Tatis etc etc. Then guys like Castellanos, Yates, Jose Ramirez are great players but not superstar levels. That is why they should create a new tier of diamonds for superstars and all the other guys can have high gold ratings or the lower blue diamond ratings.
So Trout is a superstar and the other diamonds are not? Have you watched baseball the last 3 years? Trout hasn't been top ten in a single hitting stat in a long time... I'd rather keep it how it is, so we can use the stars we want and not get stuck with the Trout top player every year. Trout isn't even the best player on his own team... If Trout is a superstar currently then most this years live diamonds deserve good cards too because they put up better numbers for consecutive years. Trout is way overated and true baseball fans want the real studs of the current MLB to have elite cards too. I know people will line up to defend Trout being the best, but before you do provide true statistical evidence that Trout is one of these 4 or 5 top superstars that deserve the only diamonds... because the real numbers can't prove that.
Without doing any digging or looking at stats at all, Trout won an MVP in 2019 and finished 5th in 2020... so I would say the "Trout is overrated" take is probably wrong here.
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@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
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@bwheel1977_PSN
I don't disagree that Tatis and Acuna are coming up on that status but they aren't on his career level yet. You can say what you want but Trout has been a top player his whole career. I feel like I'm arguing with Skip Bayless or Stephen A Smith here. -
@silverbullet3519 said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@raider52morrison said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
^^^^^^^^^ My whole point is that Diamonds should be for Superstars i.e. Trout, Acuna, deGrom, Tatis etc etc. Then guys like Castellanos, Yates, Jose Ramirez are great players but not superstar levels. That is why they should create a new tier of diamonds for superstars and all the other guys can have high gold ratings or the lower blue diamond ratings.
So Trout is a superstar and the other diamonds are not? Have you watched baseball the last 3 years? Trout hasn't been top ten in a single hitting stat in a long time... I'd rather keep it how it is, so we can use the stars we want and not get stuck with the Trout top player every year. Trout isn't even the best player on his own team... If Trout is a superstar currently then most this years live diamonds deserve good cards too because they put up better numbers for consecutive years. Trout is way overated and true baseball fans want the real studs of the current MLB to have elite cards too. I know people will line up to defend Trout being the best, but before you do provide true statistical evidence that Trout is one of these 4 or 5 top superstars that deserve the only diamonds... because the real numbers can't prove that.
Without doing any digging or looking at stats at all, Trout won an MVP in 2019 and finished 5th in 2020... so I would say the "Trout is overrated" take is probably wrong here.
According to what your definition of overrated is. It is an arguable point that isn't the best player in the league. No one is arguing he isn't a great player. People are also arguing whether his live series cards actually reflect his numbers or do they inflate them for gatekeeping purposes.
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Vs lefties:
2016: .323
2017: .280
2018: .292
2019: .266
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@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
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@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
I don't disagree that Tatis and Acuna are coming up on that status but they aren't on his career level yet. You can say what you want but Trout has been a top player his whole career. I feel like I'm arguing with Skip Bayless or Stephen A Smith here.No you are just having a different argument than i am. I never said he wasn't a great player. He most certainly is and has been. The point I am making is more in reference to the game. I probably wasn't making that point properly which is my fault.
His numbers don't reflect his numbers in the game. They inflate his numbers for gatekeeping purposes and acuna and tatis are more in line to be the gatekeepers now than trout in my opinion if they stat the cards properly. Tatis would lose defensively but so would trout. Both would be poor vs lefties but tatis' speed could make him a better LS card.
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@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
ok now do homers and rbi's with that. Yes trout walks alot(makes sabermetric numbers look great) and hits righties out of this world but he doesn't produce runs like the other guys other than 2019.Heck jason Giambi had a better stretch in his career than that with sabermetrics and giambi most certainly isn't better than trout. Trout doesn't steal bases like tatis and acuna. I get it, you are an analytics guy and that is cool. Trout in my opinion isn't a better player than tatis or acuna. It's at the very least an arguable point. Again look up a guy like giambi and see his stat lines. Walks improves the numbers and those guys do that for sure.
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@bwheel1977_PSN
RBIs aren't a great measure of a player like Trout. Tatis and Acuna are on much better teams and therefore have more opportunities to drive in runs. They also mean nothing to the game -
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
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@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
RBIs aren't a great measure of a player like Trout. Tatis and Acuna are on much better teams and therefore have more opportunities to drive in runs. They also mean nothing to the gameThat's an excuse. Nelson cruz has been on really bad teams and produces runs. Heck Acuna is a lead off hitter and still gets more. What trout does is walk which helps his sabermetric numbers. Again look at giambi's best years and he compares very well to trout in hitting and probably was better. We wouldn't consider giambi better than trout tho because of that.
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@pscrabro_mlbts said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@nash_524_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@kovz88_psn said in No new roster updates until July 30th.:
@bwheel1977_PSN
They go off of 3 year averages
2 years ago he was the MVP
Last year was a covid shortened season so you can't take those numbers too seriously
This year he's injured and injured players don't go downYeah 2019 was a great year but 2016 to 2019 he was an average great player. I am not saying he wasn't great but he wasn't gatekeeper great. He also averaged .255 vs lefties since 2017 which is longer than 3 years but has what 92 contact vs lefties? why? because he is the gatekeeper and his name. Acuna hits .265 to .275 vs righties but only gets a 72 to 75 contact rating. That is my whole point when it comes to the game. I could list way more examples but acuna is the one who probably has the best argument for the next gatekeeper.
Trout’s slash lines from 2016 - 2019:
2016: .315/.441/.550
2017: .306/.442/.629
2018: .312/.460/.628
2019: .291/.438/.645If that’s “average for a great player” then I guess Tatis, Soto, Acuna, etc are just good but not great players. If that’s average for a great player, than who else are you considering great?
Now I know you are just trolling for sure lol
2019 was probably his best statistical season and walking the 2nd most in the majors that year help with his % lines. He wasn't top ten that season in hits, doubles, triples, R.B.I.s , HR, runs, or R.B.I.... just saying
Injuries. Still hit 45 homers in 134 games. When Trout plays, he is by far the best player on the planet
I guess Acuna sucks too. Guy could only hit 24 homers this year. He must have no power
Also, walks don’t directly affect batting average or slugging pct lol
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There is no point in arguing with these people. They probably think Kobe was better than Jordan too. You can give them all the numbers in the world but they will cherry pick the 1 number that fits their story. Trout is a top player when he plays, period. The other guys are coming up but haven't done it for as long or as consistently yet as Trout.
