A Matter of Timing Windows
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Let’s say, hypothetically, that a pitcher had a repertoire of a 4 seam fastball, 2 seam fastball, a sinker, and a cutter. And let’s say that the pitcher throws them all at 98 mph. Would, in this game, the timing windows for each pitch be exactly the same or would they be different? Personally, I believe that the timing windows have more to do with the type of pitch than the pitch speed. I don’t think it should be this way. Of course, I might be wrong. It might just be that each pitch’s individual path to the plate makes it seem that the window is different. What do you all think?
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I believe the timing windows are dependent on k/9 and maybe h/9. Since, each pitch has its on stats, each pitch will have a different timing window.
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Depends on all of the attribute for both the hitter and the pitcher, along with the pitch type and pitch speed. 4 seem is straight and should have a larger timing window than the other three at the same speed because of the movement. But also factor in the pitcher’s break rating, H/9 and K/9, as well as the hitter’s contact and vision. Probably more to it too but that would be my best guess from what I see.
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If h/9 and k/9 impact when you’re supposed to swing, that means on a 98 mph pitch from different pitchers, you’d have to swing at different times. I don’t like that. Or maybe they justify it by saying there’s just less margin for error.
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I think its k/9 which makes sense as its meant to mean the pitcher has a higher strikeout chance on a swing.
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It’s less margin for error. Cutters, sinkers and two seamers all have movement so depending on the timing of that movement and the amount of movement you do have a shorter window to hit it. If this were real life, late break always shortens that window because it moves at the plate and early break opens that window up because you can recognize that break sooner.
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@car-ramrod-18_xbl said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
It’s less margin for error. Cutters, sinkers and two seamers all have movement so depending on the timing of that movement and the amount of movement you do have a shorter window to hit it. If this were real life, late break always shortens that window because it moves at the plate and early break opens that window up because you can recognize that break sooner.
See, I feel like I have more time to hit a 98 mph two seamer or cutter than I do a 98 mph 4 seam.
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98 is 98. Doesn't matter what the movement is, the timing window should be the same. I think most of it is probably due to lag. If it isn't, that's on SDS. A 98 four seam fb can look 90 one inning and 110 the next.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
98 is 98. Doesn't matter what the movement is, the timing window should be the same. I think most of it is probably due to lag. If it isn't, that's on SDS. A 98 four seam fb can look 90 one inning and 110 the next.
That is true. But I feel like I have way more time to hit DeGrom’s 98 mile an hour 2 seamer than I do for, say, Glavine’s 94-96 mph 4 seamer.
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@vagimon_psn said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
98 is 98. Doesn't matter what the movement is, the timing window should be the same. I think most of it is probably due to lag. If it isn't, that's on SDS. A 98 four seam fb can look 90 one inning and 110 the next.
That is true. But I feel like I have way more time to hit DeGrom’s 98 mile an hour 2 seamer than I do for, say, Glavine’s 94-96 mph 4 seamer.
As a coach, to me that says you’re just doing a good job of picking up on the break early. It’s a credit to you as a hitter, but it may not hold true for everyone if they’re not as locked in on the ball’s rotation as you are.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
98 is 98. Doesn't matter what the movement is, the timing window should be the same. I think most of it is probably due to lag. If it isn't, that's on SDS. A 98 four seam fb can look 90 one inning and 110 the next.
Might be true for this game, but in real life the timing of the break and the hitter’s ability to recognize that break factor in.
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@car-ramrod-18_xbl said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
@vagimon_psn said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
98 is 98. Doesn't matter what the movement is, the timing window should be the same. I think most of it is probably due to lag. If it isn't, that's on SDS. A 98 four seam fb can look 90 one inning and 110 the next.
That is true. But I feel like I have way more time to hit DeGrom’s 98 mile an hour 2 seamer than I do for, say, Glavine’s 94-96 mph 4 seamer.
As a coach, to me that says you’re just doing a good job of picking up on the break early. It’s a credit to you as a hitter, but it may not hold true for everyone if they’re not as locked in on the ball’s rotation as you are.
Thanks. I guess that’s why I’m leading the league in foul ball homeruns.
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@vagimon_psn said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
@car-ramrod-18_xbl said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
@vagimon_psn said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in A Matter of Timing Windows:
98 is 98. Doesn't matter what the movement is, the timing window should be the same. I think most of it is probably due to lag. If it isn't, that's on SDS. A 98 four seam fb can look 90 one inning and 110 the next.
That is true. But I feel like I have way more time to hit DeGrom’s 98 mile an hour 2 seamer than I do for, say, Glavine’s 94-96 mph 4 seamer.
As a coach, to me that says you’re just doing a good job of picking up on the break early. It’s a credit to you as a hitter, but it may not hold true for everyone if they’re not as locked in on the ball’s rotation as you are.
Thanks. I guess that’s why I’m leading the league in foul ball homeruns.
Lol at least you’re getting a piece of it. Keeps you alive in the at bat until you get the pitch you can rope.
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