Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now
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Full disclosure, I invested in him, so I do have some self interest, although I feel that that should not make the point invalid.
BBref WAR has him as the 2nd best position player WAR with 3.0, the only player above him is Max Muncy. But even more interestingly are the two players directly behind him. Vladimir Guerro Jr. and Nick Castellanos are 3rd and 4th in WAR with 2.9 each. Go down to 2.8 and you'll see Byron Buxton, and a little bit lower at 2.7 and you'll see Fernando Tatis Jr.
Muncy, Vlad Jr., Castellanos, Buxton, and Tatis Jr. are all currently diamonds. So why shouldn't Semien who is second of those aforementioned, get the bump?
Let's look at Fangraphs, here are the top 6 by WAR
- Vlad Jr.
- Castellanos
- Kris Bryant
- Marcus Semien
- Max Muncy
- Ronald Acuna Jr.
One of these things, or rather two of these things, are not like the others. Semien is surrounded by a sea of diamonds, exception being Bryant. I would argue that both have a case, but Semien probably slightly moreso, being that Bryant does not make the top 10 on bWAR, and Semien is top 5 on both.
But isn't it also based on previous years?
Yes and I think the year 3 argument helps Semien if anything. In Semien's last full season he was 3rd place for AL MVP, that is a diamond level player. Granted he slumped in 2020, but players should be cut more slack for that year than anything else. If you weigh this year the most and his last full season, it's a slam dunk.Where can he improve?
Semien has a 0.7 dWAR, putting him on pace for his personal best defensive season ever. He's fielding could receive a medium sized bump. But let's get more advanced, his outs above average is 95th percentile in the MLB, making him a great defender (he currently has 78 fielding and a 50 arm strength). He is 84th percentile in sprint speed, yet only has 68 speed, that could easily be mid-70s.
And then his hitting of course is low compared to his current oWAR of 2.5, near the best in the business.
I would be very surprised if he can't warrant a 3 overall bump considering that right now he is playing like a top player in baseball (and that's what live series is supposed to reflect). Hoping SDS gets this one right.
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Even non sabremetrics right now, he has 13 HRs currently, on pace for his career high and that includes an MVP finalist year, he has 10 of those versus righties and only 78 power versus righties right now. He could easily hit an 83/85 contact power versus righties combo.
148 OPS+ total on the year
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@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Full disclosure, I invested in him, so I do have some self interest, although I feel that that should not make the point invalid.
BBref WAR has him as the 2nd best position player WAR with 3.0, the only player above him is Max Muncy. But even more interestingly are the two players directly behind him. Vladimir Guerro Jr. and Nick Castellanos are 3rd and 4th in WAR with 2.9 each. Go down to 2.8 and you'll see Byron Buxton, and a little bit lower at 2.7 and you'll see Fernando Tatis Jr.
Muncy, Vlad Jr., Castellanos, Buxton, and Tatis Jr. are all currently diamonds. So why shouldn't Semien who is second of those aforementioned, get the bump?
Let's look at Fangraphs, here are the top 6 by WAR
- Vlad Jr.
- Castellanos
- Kris Bryant
- Marcus Semien
- Max Muncy
- Ronald Acuna Jr.
One of these things, or rather two of these things, are not like the others. Semien is surrounded by a sea of diamonds, exception being Bryant. I would argue that both have a case, but Semien probably slightly moreso, being that Bryant does not make the top 10 on bWAR, and Semien is top 5 on both.
But isn't it also based on previous years?
Yes and I think the year 3 argument helps Semien if anything. In Semien's last full season he was 3rd place for AL MVP, that is a diamond level player. Granted he slumped in 2020, but players should be cut more slack for that year than anything else. If you weigh this year the most and his last full season, it's a slam dunk.Where can he improve?
Semien has a 0.7 dWAR, putting him on pace for his personal best defensive season ever. He's fielding could receive a medium sized bump. But let's get more advanced, his outs above average is 95th percentile in the MLB, making him a great defender (he currently has 78 fielding and a 50 arm strength). He is 84th percentile in sprint speed, yet only has 68 speed, that could easily be mid-70s.
And then his hitting of course is low compared to his current oWAR of 2.5, near the best in the business.
I would be very surprised if he can't warrant a 3 overall bump considering that right now he is playing like a top player in baseball (and that's what live series is supposed to reflect). Hoping SDS gets this one right.
As a Sox fan I do miss Marcus
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Thank you for reminding me that I needed to invest in Semien even more now OP. Much appreciated.
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@argentin32_xbl said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Thank you for reminding me that I needed to invest in Semien even more now OP. Much appreciated.
I'm in the same boat as you, it doesn't make sense that gold Bryant is 1000 stubs more expensive as an investment right now, when Semien is significantly more deserving.
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He will be the lightning card so I'm less worried about his LS
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
He will be the lightning card so I'm less worried about his LS
Well no both are significant.
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@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Full disclosure, I invested in him, so I do have some self interest, although I feel that that should not make the point invalid.
BBref WAR has him as the 2nd best position player WAR with 3.0, the only player above him is Max Muncy. But even more interestingly are the two players directly behind him. Vladimir Guerro Jr. and Nick Castellanos are 3rd and 4th in WAR with 2.9 each. Go down to 2.8 and you'll see Byron Buxton, and a little bit lower at 2.7 and you'll see Fernando Tatis Jr.
Muncy, Vlad Jr., Castellanos, Buxton, and Tatis Jr. are all currently diamonds. So why shouldn't Semien who is second of those aforementioned, get the bump?
Let's look at Fangraphs, here are the top 6 by WAR
- Vlad Jr.
- Castellanos
- Kris Bryant
- Marcus Semien
- Max Muncy
- Ronald Acuna Jr.
One of these things, or rather two of these things, are not like the others. Semien is surrounded by a sea of diamonds, exception being Bryant. I would argue that both have a case, but Semien probably slightly moreso, being that Bryant does not make the top 10 on bWAR, and Semien is top 5 on both.
But isn't it also based on previous years?
Yes and I think the year 3 argument helps Semien if anything. In Semien's last full season he was 3rd place for AL MVP, that is a diamond level player. Granted he slumped in 2020, but players should be cut more slack for that year than anything else. If you weigh this year the most and his last full season, it's a slam dunk.Where can he improve?
Semien has a 0.7 dWAR, putting him on pace for his personal best defensive season ever. He's fielding could receive a medium sized bump. But let's get more advanced, his outs above average is 95th percentile in the MLB, making him a great defender (he currently has 78 fielding and a 50 arm strength). He is 84th percentile in sprint speed, yet only has 68 speed, that could easily be mid-70s.
And then his hitting of course is low compared to his current oWAR of 2.5, near the best in the business.
I would be very surprised if he can't warrant a 3 overall bump considering that right now he is playing like a top player in baseball (and that's what live series is supposed to reflect). Hoping SDS gets this one right.
Semen has nothing on judge
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Semien went 2-4 today with a double
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Also worth noting, it feels like Semien has what’s been getting snubbed in previous games. But when you were the third place for MVP in your previous season and now you’re 3rd or better in position player WAR, something has to give.
Seems like almost every stat on this card is underrated and I hope dearly that SDS gets this right, he’s 3500 rn and I recommend the investment
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@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Also worth noting, it feels like Semien has what’s been getting snubbed in previous games. But when you were the third place for MVP in your previous season and now you’re 3rd or better in position player WAR, something has to give.
Seems like almost every stat on this card is underrated and I hope dearly that SDS gets this right, he’s 3500 rn and I recommend the investment
What hurts him is the fact he's still listed as a SS even though he's not this year, and they gave him stupid low arm strength. No idea where that comes from either. I've watched every game this year and he has a great arm. He's a fantastic defender really.. as his metrics show.
SS heavily weighs arm strength. If they were to simply make him a 2B he's probably diamond without any upgrades.... -
@nanthrax_1_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Also worth noting, it feels like Semien has what’s been getting snubbed in previous games. But when you were the third place for MVP in your previous season and now you’re 3rd or better in position player WAR, something has to give.
Seems like almost every stat on this card is underrated and I hope dearly that SDS gets this right, he’s 3500 rn and I recommend the investment
What hurts him is the fact he's still listed as a SS even though he's not this year, and they gave him stupid low arm strength. No idea where that comes from either. I've watched every game this year and he has a great arm. He's a fantastic defender really.. as his metrics show.
SS heavily weighs arm strength. If they were to simply make him a 2B he's probably diamond without any upgrades....It’s ridiculous, I’m a Yankees fan and I saw what he did to us. He was an average or below SS, but he’s a great 2B
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@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Also worth noting, it feels like Semien has what’s been getting snubbed in previous games. But when you were the third place for MVP in your previous season and now you’re 3rd or better in position player WAR, something has to give.
Seems like almost every stat on this card is underrated and I hope dearly that SDS gets this right, he’s 3500 rn and I recommend the investment
What hurts him is the fact he's still listed as a SS even though he's not this year, and they gave him stupid low arm strength. No idea where that comes from either. I've watched every game this year and he has a great arm. He's a fantastic defender really.. as his metrics show.
SS heavily weighs arm strength. If they were to simply make him a 2B he's probably diamond without any upgrades....It’s ridiculous, I’m a Yankees fan and I saw what he did to us. He was an average or below SS, but he’s a great 2B
He was a great SS defender actually, over the past couple years. Positive UZR since '17. Particularly awesome in '19, his big year..
He was terrible at SS in the beginning, but improved greatly thanks to Ron Washington.
Some of that might have been helped by the fact he had the best defender in the sport (Chapman) next to him, and Olson scooping everything at 1B... -
@nanthrax_1_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Also worth noting, it feels like Semien has what’s been getting snubbed in previous games. But when you were the third place for MVP in your previous season and now you’re 3rd or better in position player WAR, something has to give.
Seems like almost every stat on this card is underrated and I hope dearly that SDS gets this right, he’s 3500 rn and I recommend the investment
What hurts him is the fact he's still listed as a SS even though he's not this year, and they gave him stupid low arm strength. No idea where that comes from either. I've watched every game this year and he has a great arm. He's a fantastic defender really.. as his metrics show.
SS heavily weighs arm strength. If they were to simply make him a 2B he's probably diamond without any upgrades....It’s ridiculous, I’m a Yankees fan and I saw what he did to us. He was an average or below SS, but he’s a great 2B
He was a great SS defender actually, over the past couple years. Positive UZR since '17. Particularly awesome in '19, his big year..
He was terrible at SS in the beginning, but improved greatly thanks to Ron Washington.
Some of that might have been helped by the fact he had the best defender in the sport (Chapman) next to him, and Olson scooping everything at 1B...His defense not being even 80 is a crime
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Looking at his stats
He started the year as a 80 overall
He hit .211 in April and was knocked down to a 78
Me tore it up in the month of May and in the two May updates they raised him 4 points to an 82.The slow start definitely hurt him and no way they would bump him from a 78 to an 85 in the two may updates regardless of how hot he was. Theoretically the ratings should have more to do with consistency over a hot streak. He will most likely be bumped again the next update but I question a 3 point upgrade. First 5 games in June he is batting around .263.
I am guessing he is an 84 next update. Of course SDS does not show us changes to fielding and defense stats. If those got bumped then he would definitely have a better chance of being diamond. He plays a position where defense is weighted more heavily.
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@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@kdclemson_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Also worth noting, it feels like Semien has what’s been getting snubbed in previous games. But when you were the third place for MVP in your previous season and now you’re 3rd or better in position player WAR, something has to give.
Seems like almost every stat on this card is underrated and I hope dearly that SDS gets this right, he’s 3500 rn and I recommend the investment
What hurts him is the fact he's still listed as a SS even though he's not this year, and they gave him stupid low arm strength. No idea where that comes from either. I've watched every game this year and he has a great arm. He's a fantastic defender really.. as his metrics show.
SS heavily weighs arm strength. If they were to simply make him a 2B he's probably diamond without any upgrades....It’s ridiculous, I’m a Yankees fan and I saw what he did to us. He was an average or below SS, but he’s a great 2B
He was a great SS defender actually, over the past couple years. Positive UZR since '17. Particularly awesome in '19, his big year..
He was terrible at SS in the beginning, but improved greatly thanks to Ron Washington.
Some of that might have been helped by the fact he had the best defender in the sport (Chapman) next to him, and Olson scooping everything at 1B...His defense not being even 80 is a crime
Yeah, I agree I thought of him as defense over offense during free agency honestly (better than Simmons offensively). I hadn't noticed how bad they made his card
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@dolenz_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Looking at his stats
He started the year as a 80 overall
He hit .211 in April and was knocked down to a 78
Me tore it up in the month of May and in the two May updates they raised him 4 points to an 82.The slow start definitely hurt him and no way they would bump him from a 78 to an 85 in the two may updates regardless of how hot he was. Theoretically the ratings should have more to do with consistency over a hot streak. He will most likely be bumped again the next update but I question a 3 point upgrade. First 5 games in June he is batting around .263.
I am guessing he is an 84 next update. Of course SDS does not show us changes to fielding and defense stats. If those got bumped then he would definitely have a better chance of being diamond. He plays a position where defense is weighted more heavily.
If they fix his position to 2B, what it should be, that would shoot him up alone though
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@dolenz_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Looking at his stats
He started the year as a 80 overall
He hit .211 in April and was knocked down to a 78
Me tore it up in the month of May and in the two May updates they raised him 4 points to an 82.The slow start definitely hurt him and no way they would bump him from a 78 to an 85 in the two may updates regardless of how hot he was. Theoretically the ratings should have more to do with consistency over a hot streak. He will most likely be bumped again the next update but I question a 3 point upgrade. First 5 games in June he is batting around .263.
I am guessing he is an 84 next update. Of course SDS does not show us changes to fielding and defense stats. If those got bumped then he would definitely have a better chance of being diamond. He plays a position where defense is weighted more heavily.
If they fix his position to 2B, what it should be, that would shoot him up alone though
Yeah, they have always been slow to change positions on batters. Curious what their criteria is. He has only played SS prior to this year so wonder if there are a set number of games he has to play at 2B to override the previous years SS time.
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@dolenz_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Looking at his stats
He started the year as a 80 overall
He hit .211 in April and was knocked down to a 78
Me tore it up in the month of May and in the two May updates they raised him 4 points to an 82.The slow start definitely hurt him and no way they would bump him from a 78 to an 85 in the two may updates regardless of how hot he was. Theoretically the ratings should have more to do with consistency over a hot streak. He will most likely be bumped again the next update but I question a 3 point upgrade. First 5 games in June he is batting around .263.
I am guessing he is an 84 next update. Of course SDS does not show us changes to fielding and defense stats. If those got bumped then he would definitely have a better chance of being diamond. He plays a position where defense is weighted more heavily.
If they fix his position to 2B, what it should be, that would shoot him up alone though
His PotM card gonna be a 2B then?
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@formallyforearms said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
@dolenz_psn said in Marcus Semien should be a Diamond LS by now:
Looking at his stats
He started the year as a 80 overall
He hit .211 in April and was knocked down to a 78
Me tore it up in the month of May and in the two May updates they raised him 4 points to an 82.The slow start definitely hurt him and no way they would bump him from a 78 to an 85 in the two may updates regardless of how hot he was. Theoretically the ratings should have more to do with consistency over a hot streak. He will most likely be bumped again the next update but I question a 3 point upgrade. First 5 games in June he is batting around .263.
I am guessing he is an 84 next update. Of course SDS does not show us changes to fielding and defense stats. If those got bumped then he would definitely have a better chance of being diamond. He plays a position where defense is weighted more heavily.
If they fix his position to 2B, what it should be, that would shoot him up alone though
His PotM card gonna be a 2B then?
Should be, simply because he has basically played every game at 2B this year, except for a couple games at short to give Bo a rest
