Why this game is a disgrace for baseball
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@yankblan_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
He complains about people being jerks online, trying to use exploits: where has he been the last 15 years of online gaming?
I think, that you are making it pretty obvious how you feel about online cheating, you are ok with it because people are doing it since forever? And don't go saying that does not mean you are a cheater, because people advocate for what they think is right, specially when pointed out. Out of everything I have written, you decided to mention and advocate for that, the cheating tradition on online gaming. hahaha, got you!
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@steelymacbeam said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Then, they mock your love for baseball with the who knows based on what reference timing window to hit the ball. Why? because the timing of the breaking balls is so slow compared to the fastballs, that if you wait to see if the ball is breaking, you are never in time for the fastball:
newsflash devteam, the whole purpose of the breaking balls is for you to confuse them with the fastball , because of their BREAKING, not the difference in speed.Not sure how much baseball you've played in your life but breaking balls are a type of off-speed pitch. So yes, the purpose of a breaking ball is both for break and change of speeds. No point in reading your rant after this.
Yes indeed they are slower than fastballs, but I was trying to point out, that the speed difference on the game between fastballs and breaking balls is too great, and I tried to illustrate it by setting an example where you pitch a 40mph pitch to a pro batter, you are going to get hammered, does not matter what speed the previous fastball was. That was what I tried to explain.
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this is for anyone who thinks I'm ranting:
I have an average of 3 homers per game currently, and have 19 wins plus over my losses, so no, I'm not complaining because I'm losing. I'm complaining because I think the flaws that I have pointed out are real, make the game unbalanced, destroy the baseball experience, and most of them are being disregarded just because after charging you at least 60 dollars, they feel their next priority, is to sweet-groove you into spending yet more money, on something that has no value whatsoever. Period. And the sad part is, that since they are so focused on that, they don't bother to take a second look to the facts I pointed, that I'm sure already people are complaining about over the years, and they still don't have the time to take care of it. Anyone who believes I'm exaggerating, please remember that if you don't do a dinasty team, you can't see your universal profile stats inside the game. I was lucky enough on that regard, since one of the participants of this discussion, provided a link to my profile, which honestly I didn't bother to look and never would have guess its here, since in the previous versions of the game, this restriction was not there. I will NOT create a dinasty team, because I will NOT support these kind of policies on their side.
So I just wanted to point this out, and remind you that if you do not talk about things that are not good, it surely it wont get fixed. WE are paying for this game development, so ultimately, they NEED to HEAR US SERIOUSLY. And also, being in disagreement with someone, and explicitly stating so, its not a disrespect to the other person, nor is not support bad popular behaviours like online cheating, nor "supposedly attacking your favorite game", should put you in a biased and defensive position, when reading mine or anyone's opinion about something that they think is not good. Thanks for reading!
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@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@yankblan_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
He complains about people being jerks online, trying to use exploits: where has he been the last 15 years of online gaming?
I think, that you are making it pretty obvious how you feel about online cheating, you are ok with it because people are doing it since forever? And don't go saying that does not mean you are a cheater, because people advocate for what they think is right, specially when pointed out. Out of everything I have written, you decided to mention and advocate for that, the cheating tradition on online gaming. hahaha, got you!
No, cheating is bad, but what can I do? People, when anonymity is guaranteed, will use all kind of cheap tactics and bad behaviour they can get away with. I’m 24-8 or something, just under 700s; I try to have fun, realistic types of games, but I expect fully to run into a-holes and exploiters because that’s the nature of the beast. It’s like saying « we shouldn’t kill anybody »; yeah sure it shouldn’t exist but wishing it away doesn’t work. If you play any type of game online, expect cheaters and exploiters and glitchers on your path. Just because I accept that fact doesn’t mean I’m condoning it. You really are daft for reaching that conclusion out of my post; and presumptuous too.
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@yankblan_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@yankblan_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
He complains about people being jerks online, trying to use exploits: where has he been the last 15 years of online gaming?
I think, that you are making it pretty obvious how you feel about online cheating, you are ok with it because people are doing it since forever? And don't go saying that does not mean you are a cheater, because people advocate for what they think is right, specially when pointed out. Out of everything I have written, you decided to mention and advocate for that, the cheating tradition on online gaming. hahaha, got you!
No, cheating is bad, but what can I do? People, when anonymity is guaranteed, will use all kind of cheap tactics and bad behaviour they can get away with. I’m 24-8 or something, just under 700s; I try to have fun, realistic types of games, but I expect fully to run into a-holes and exploiters because that’s the nature of the beast. It’s like saying « we shouldn’t kill anybody »; yeah sure it shouldn’t exist but wishing it away doesn’t work. If you play any type of game online, expect cheaters and exploiters and glitchers on your path. Just because I accept that fact doesn’t mean I’m condoning it. You really are daft for reaching that conclusion out of my post; and presumptuous too.
You can start for supporting my complain against a team of developers who supports with leniency that kind of behaviour, I know you or me or the next guy can do anything meaningful to stop it, but we can express against it in any way possible. You know, I was thinking if I was part of the dev team, how would I address this: in fact, no matter how many checks I can make in the code to prevent spamming of commands, they can just play with the network cord on their end, and that alone will cause these stutterings that desync the game. Ok, they can't control that, but they do can log their activity, and when they see a pattern, give the player a warning, subsequent temporal ban from multiplayer and in extreme cases permanent one. There are ways to enforce good behaviour, but they just don't care.
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TL;DR He sucks and cries at night over it.
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I agree there are some things that are just over the top obsurd. I do however understand that AI is not perfect but some quirks are in there as an attempt to make it more realistic. Game developers have to find ways to account for the "real live game" components that you cannot put in a video game. The hardest part to that is the human err factor. I do wish they would fix the obscene amount of pop ups. lol
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@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@yankblan_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@yankblan_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
He complains about people being jerks online, trying to use exploits: where has he been the last 15 years of online gaming?
I think, that you are making it pretty obvious how you feel about online cheating, you are ok with it because people are doing it since forever? And don't go saying that does not mean you are a cheater, because people advocate for what they think is right, specially when pointed out. Out of everything I have written, you decided to mention and advocate for that, the cheating tradition on online gaming. hahaha, got you!
No, cheating is bad, but what can I do? People, when anonymity is guaranteed, will use all kind of cheap tactics and bad behaviour they can get away with. I’m 24-8 or something, just under 700s; I try to have fun, realistic types of games, but I expect fully to run into a-holes and exploiters because that’s the nature of the beast. It’s like saying « we shouldn’t kill anybody »; yeah sure it shouldn’t exist but wishing it away doesn’t work. If you play any type of game online, expect cheaters and exploiters and glitchers on your path. Just because I accept that fact doesn’t mean I’m condoning it. You really are daft for reaching that conclusion out of my post; and presumptuous too.
You can start for supporting my complain against a team of developers who supports with leniency that kind of behaviour, I know you or me or the next guy can do anything meaningful to stop it, but we can express against it in any way possible. You know, I was thinking if I was part of the dev team, how would I address this: in fact, no matter how many checks I can make in the code to prevent spamming of commands, they can just play with the network cord on their end, and that alone will cause these stutterings that desync the game. Ok, they can't control that, but they do can log their activity, and when they see a pattern, give the player a warning, subsequent temporal ban from multiplayer and in extreme cases permanent one. There are ways to enforce good behaviour, but they just don't care.
They do try but when you have 20 million people playing all over the world and 24 hours a day that is massive amount of monitoring. You just have to move on to the next opponent. Some of my best games were decided in the ninth but most of my wins have come from people quiting. This game is one of the few where and average player can beat the everyday grinder online without spending money.
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OMG this OP, just incredible...I'm trying to think of something worse than a casual noob. Listen, you can't play online and expect a simulated style baseball game, that can only be done in Franchise with a mature Slider set on Legend with max pitch speeds. Every single online mode will be an arcade baseball game...I thought this was common sense?.
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NO DOUBT THIS YEARS GM GIVES LEANS MORE TO THE GAME DECIDING THE OUTCOME AND NOT THE PLAYERS WHO ARE PLAYING THE GM
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@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@warpedzilla_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
That fact that you get to use the best of the best over the last 50+ years kind of throws a wrench in the whole wanting a true sim experience kind of thing.
And tldr but after a brief glance I didn't really see any valid ways to "fix" the game. You don't like zone hitting and you get mad about how useless directional is. So what's your solution? You dont want the part that takes skill and you don't want the part where you simply press x to swing.
I love how you "develop games" or used to play real baseball so you should automatically translate that to being great at the game and if your not then it's all the games fault. Is this game perfect? Heck no! Do I complain as well sure. But I swallow my pride pick myself up, dust off, and try again.
First off: its not my duty to dedicate myself to think of a solution for the implementation mess they did here (familiar with the word implementation, "developer"?)
Second off, its a FACT that they are not representing the real experience to the point of MOCKERY. Honestly if I was a professional pitcher represented in this game, I would sue them for damaging the reputation of my skills and performance as a ball player.
Third off, it's not that I want to win and if not the game is broken. there has been occasions when I won, and honestly I thought what a load the engine decision to give me a hit on such a terrible pitch, or not give out a homer to the other guy over some great contact.
Whats the point of trying again if its just broken, broken broken and guess what broken! over sixty dollars, at least I enjoy watching the fielders throw around and such, but Honestly if I could get my money back. please moderators contact me so I can get a refund, and you can ban my account and console from installing the game again.
You keep referring to yourself as a developer and basically weaponizing that claim against anyone who dares disagree with you. What games have you developed? Are they successful? Do they have anything to do with a complex baseball game? You seem very keen on letting everyone in the thread know this purported fact about you, so I was hoping you would provide some elaboration or credentials.
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I think that you're IMAGINING an awful lot here and your rant about breaking balls and fastballs make no sense.
"because the timing of the breaking balls is so slow compared to the fastballs, that if you wait to see if the ball is breaking, you are never in time for the fastball:
newsflash devteam, the whole purpose of the breaking balls is for you to confuse them with the fastball , because of their BREAKING, not the difference in speed. Actually, a too slow breaking ball, losses their entire effectivity in the trained eyes of a professional batter, no matter how many 97 mph fastballs they just faced."Yeah, you completely lost me here. Are you saying that the speeds should be closer? That break should come sooner? You said the whole purpose of a breaking ball is for you ,(the batter) to confuse them with fastballs. Are you thinking of a changeup? It IS an off speed pitch and it does break a little but when most people talk about a breaking ball, they're talking about a curveball or screwball. And those ARE thrown with much less velocity. IDK it's just a game and SDS has plenty of faults, but they're doing a pretty good job with the game; certainly not ruining it.
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Wow I understand it's hard to be humble sometimes especially when you get frustrated with failure but I've got to say, you are taking your struggles out on a game. A game created in a environment that can be filled with so many negative outcomes. If you are a developer then you know that. Baseball is the most difficult team sport and I personally give SDS a lot of credit for their work on this game and the content they give week after week is insane! I've played many baseball games in my 44 years and this by far, flaws and all is the overall best
game ever! Bro take a breath or break or both lol. Then go on YouTube and watch how other people practice and succeed. Because this is not real baseball . It's a simulation of baseball . It's on you to learn how to be successful in this created environment. Not on the developers to cater to everyone's failure to understand how to succeed. Even though they do a lot of that. Good luck 
have fun and if it's to much just put it down man. 
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I haven't read about 80% of this thread, but I did come a cross a claim that if you time/place things right good things should happen because that's baseball irl.
No. No, it's NOT.
That being said, in ranked seasons, I think it makes more sense to reward excellent input "unrealistically." Because it's a video game in competitive mode -- SUPPOSEDLY -- and each single game is its own separate career, so to speak. Meaning, if I square it up with Chipper it should go, no randomness "because irl/that's baseball." In that ONE GAME, hitting excellent input with a legend should lead to excellent results almost always.
My 2 cents...
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@hustlinowl_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Sorry but I disagree with a lot of your points and you seem to be all over the place. Just looking at your profile I have tons of questions
https://mlb21.theshow.com/universal_profiles/newPlayerOne257this dude loses to the cpu consistently and is out here discussing the gameplay lmao might wanna try another game my guy
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@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Who knows how long this post will last, but here it goes:
A game where they claim to be a simulation of real baseball, and then:
Professional Pitchers have less control over their target than little kids playing in the elementary league. Honestly I'm surprised how mlb figures allow these developers, to portrait them in such a shameful way about their performance. Then they came out with this new pitching mode that seems you are transcribing sorcery with the left stick instead of focus as in your next pitch, which is what a normal pitcher does after throwing the last one.
They favor in their engine a hit mode where all you need to do is place your marker in a certain zone and press the button when it comes. Their millionaire budget didn't came across anybody, to tell them the process of swinging a bat its a single action to your brain. Batters are not snipers to use crossairs, not in their minds or any other way. On the other hand, the directional hitting mode, is highly punished, you hit broadway center balls at almost perfect timing and you can choose an ample menu from:
popups, short fly balls, silly catch' em up bouncers, and right at him liners. Anyone who has seen at least 3 baseball games, knows this is impossible to happen even in the tuesday night neighborhood league.
Then, they mock your love for baseball with the who knows based on what reference timing window to hit the ball. Why? because the timing of the breaking balls is so slow compared to the fastballs, that if you wait to see if the ball is breaking, you are never in time for the fastball:
newsflash devteam, the whole purpose of the breaking balls is for you to confuse them with the fastball , because of their BREAKING, not the difference in speed. Actually, a too slow breaking ball, losses their entire effectivity in the trained eyes of a professional batter, no matter how many 97 mph fastballs they just faced. Its a fact, the window of time difference its just too great. Another horrible fact, is that the pitch paths are just wrong, sometimes the ball even dissapears Some times I have pressed the button, only to expectate how my batter does nothing but a delayed swing to justify that : "it blew it fast by him!" I mean, what a joke.Then, there is the fact of the supposedly enforced code of conduct. You are still allowing people to desync and spam the game, just because you are afraid of losing users over 40+ in a row strike outs and 20+ homers over their pitching: Be real with the kids and younger who play baseball, baseball its a hard game to play well, there is no other way to learn that receiving strikeout after strikeout, and homer after homer. Its clockwork, I had games where I have hitted even 5 homers, and I have lost. Why? because they start spamming and desyncing the game, all of my pitches end up right down the middle when I specifically put them anywhere but, and when Im hitting, I'm lossing frames in the animations, specially when my power hitters are due up.
You are enabling , enforcing and supporting a platform where kids:
Think its the right thing to do cheating shamelessly to win
Disconnect their cable from their network outlets when they are being hitted around, after finger fatigue on the cheating maneuvers. No temporary ban or the like for such a nasty behaviour.
Think that if they buy you stubs, things are great: I have played with players who obviously have spent extra money on the stubs, and the moment I give them to straight strikeouts in a row in the first inning, I suddenly start losing control of the pitch target, (I pitch using classic mode) and the ball lands in the center no matter what.
You are making them believe that the mind process with the crossair is appropiate to play baseball. You are just destroying the american and all around the world baseball tradition by making them think they are aware of how to think in a baseball game.I wish I had a way for you guys to return my money, and gladly I will uninstall the game from my ps4. Is a shame, that people like you had the budget and the change to make a baseball game, only to make this disgrace. You are destroying the sport.
I have the same complaint about the pitching. I’ve seen better pitching from little leaguers
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@clurmfburr_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Sorry but I disagree with a lot of your points and you seem to be all over the place. Just looking at your profile I have tons of questions
https://mlb21.theshow.com/universal_profiles/newPlayerOne257this dude loses to the cpu consistently and is out here discussing the gameplay lmao might wanna try another game my guy
He also play online rated with guess pitch on lmao.
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