Why this game is a disgrace for baseball
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@suntlacrimae50_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Weird thread. There's a real problem though -- how to make a good baseball video game seeing as sitting in a chair with a controller in your hand can never accurately simulate on-field baseball. Aside from VR, video game baseball tethered to a controller will never really accurately simulate real baseball.
Exactly! Never going to be a pure simulation with a controller in your hands. To your point about Pinpoint Pitching, I can understand why some people do not like it. Personally it works for me because 2K had it (or something similar to it) in their game almost 10 years ago. I liked it then, and I like how it also has you delivering each pitch differently, just like real pitches have to be delivered differently. Is it 100% accurate to real pitching? No, and neither are the other options, but at least there are options. No one has to use the same controls as the next guy and I actually kind of like that. We all get to play the game the way that works for us individually, and each option has its pros and cons so no one way is the dominant way to play. I can play my way, you can play your way, and it’s still fair.
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@warpedzilla_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
That fact that you get to use the best of the best over the last 50+ years kind of throws a wrench in the whole wanting a true sim experience kind of thing.
And tldr but after a brief glance I didn't really see any valid ways to "fix" the game. You don't like zone hitting and you get mad about how useless directional is. So what's your solution? You dont want the part that takes skill and you don't want the part where you simply press x to swing.
I love how you "develop games" or used to play real baseball so you should automatically translate that to being great at the game and if your not then it's all the games fault. Is this game perfect? Heck no! Do I complain as well sure. But I swallow my pride pick myself up, dust off, and try again.
First off: its not my duty to dedicate myself to think of a solution for the implementation mess they did here (familiar with the word implementation, "developer"?)
Second off, its a FACT that they are not representing the real experience to the point of MOCKERY. Honestly if I was a professional pitcher represented in this game, I would sue them for damaging the reputation of my skills and performance as a ball player.
Third off, it's not that I want to win and if not the game is broken. there has been occasions when I won, and honestly I thought what a load the engine decision to give me a hit on such a terrible pitch, or not give out a homer to the other guy over some great contact.
Whats the point of trying again if its just broken, broken broken and guess what broken! over sixty dollars, at least I enjoy watching the fielders throw around and such, but Honestly if I could get my money back. please moderators contact me so I can get a refund, and you can ban my account and console from installing the game again.
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If you’re going to post whiny complaining posts, you’re most likely to get flamed. If you point out flaws or ask legitimate questions, chances are you’ll get constructive replies, with the occasional [censored] here and there. If this game had an 80% approval rate, that means 20% don’t like it. But it’s a haters world, so if you don’t like something it’s automatically bad. Like he posted.
That's the solution for you blind people, "he is a hater" by pointing out FACTS Im not being a hater. Sure, my wording is stingy, designed for the developers, so they can suffer at least some frustration and shame because they know I'm right. And then, turns out you are a cheater as well , because you approve cheating behaviour as a regular standard on online gaming. Thank you for presenting yourself so honestly. Now ppl here knows what to expect if they play you. Reread my post, seems your brain forgot to process some parts, specially the 3rd to last, being this one the last one.
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@ericg819_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Who knows how long this post will last, but here it goes:
A game where they claim to be a simulation of real baseball, and then:
Professional Pitchers have less control over their target than little kids playing in the elementary league. Honestly I'm surprised how mlb figures allow these developers, to portrait them in such a shameful way about their performance. Then they came out with this new pitching mode that seems you are transcribing sorcery with the left stick instead of focus as in your next pitch, which is what a normal pitcher does after throwing the last one.
They favor in their engine a hit mode where all you need to do is place your marker in a certain zone and press the button when it comes. Their millionaire budget didn't came across anybody, to tell them the process of swinging a bat its a single action to your brain. Batters are not snipers to use crossairs, not in their minds or any other way. On the other hand, the directional hitting mode, is highly punished, you hit broadway center balls at almost perfect timing and you can choose an ample menu from:
popups, short fly balls, silly catch' em up bouncers, and right at him liners. Anyone who has seen at least 3 baseball games, knows this is impossible to happen even in the tuesday night neighborhood league.
Then, they mock your love for baseball with the who knows based on what reference timing window to hit the ball. Why? because the timing of the breaking balls is so slow compared to the fastballs, that if you wait to see if the ball is breaking, you are never in time for the fastball:
newsflash devteam, the whole purpose of the breaking balls is for you to confuse them with the fastball , because of their BREAKING, not the difference in speed. Actually, a too slow breaking ball, losses their entire effectivity in the trained eyes of a professional batter, no matter how many 97 mph fastballs they just faced. Its a fact, the window of time difference its just too great. Another horrible fact, is that the pitch paths are just wrong, sometimes the ball even dissapears Some times I have pressed the button, only to expectate how my batter does nothing but a delayed swing to justify that : "it blew it fast by him!" I mean, what a joke.Then, there is the fact of the supposedly enforced code of conduct. You are still allowing people to desync and spam the game, just because you are afraid of losing users over 40+ in a row strike outs and 20+ homers over their pitching: Be real with the kids and younger who play baseball, baseball its a hard game to play well, there is no other way to learn that receiving strikeout after strikeout, and homer after homer. Its clockwork, I had games where I have hitted even 5 homers, and I have lost. Why? because they start spamming and desyncing the game, all of my pitches end up right down the middle when I specifically put them anywhere but, and when Im hitting, I'm lossing frames in the animations, specially when my power hitters are due up.
You are enabling , enforcing and supporting a platform where kids:
Think its the right thing to do cheating shamelessly to win
Disconnect their cable from their network outlets when they are being hitted around, after finger fatigue on the cheating maneuvers. No temporary ban or the like for such a nasty behaviour.
Think that if they buy you stubs, things are great: I have played with players who obviously have spent extra money on the stubs, and the moment I give them to straight strikeouts in a row in the first inning, I suddenly start losing control of the pitch target, (I pitch using classic mode) and the ball lands in the center no matter what.
You are making them believe that the mind process with the crossair is appropiate to play baseball. You are just destroying the american and all around the world baseball tradition by making them think they are aware of how to think in a baseball game.I wish I had a way for you guys to return my money, and gladly I will uninstall the game from my ps4. Is a shame, that people like you had the budget and the change to make a baseball game, only to make this disgrace. You are destroying the sport.
There is no consistency between games and that's because we are all victims to the hitting engine keeping the games within realistic baseball stats. I think we can all agree that the hitting is a simulated experience and it's up to the game whether or not you get a hit...
That's why you don't have the same results on the same swing every time. I understand that's baseball but this is a video game and I beleive we're not looking for a simulated baseball experience, we're looking to see who's skill is better.
In my opinion, if I wanted to see a random pitch result, I would just watch a real baseball game. What's the point to play a video game against another human opponent if what you are doing doesn't control the outcome? Why wouldn't we just play the computer to get these realistic outcomes?
You are missing the point:
The way they implemented the game, your skill means nothing. Did you notice they punish/reward you with the odds for a good hit even if the ball is right down the middle if you strike out too many times? That's wrong in sooo many ways, let me list a few:
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in regular baseball, a hitter that has not batted or striked out 3 or 5 times or whatever times, if you pitch him one right down the pipe, you are going to get hurt. Period.
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They are creating an environment where no matter if you miss one and again over the heart of the plate, you will get your out. a little wrong no?
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When the other guy is hitting, he gets rewarded with crazy texas hits and such even throwing the bat instead of swing it , to extremely bad pitches. So then, the reward for you pitching and piling strikeouts, is getting to hit bad pitches on your end?
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If the game is tied, you will NOT get a hit no matter what on a first pitch strike. you have to wait AT LEAST one pitch, for the engine to provide you a better odd value to get a good hit.
Make some tests, strike yourself out a lot on one game so you can see it for yourself.
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@watsonoeh_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Boy, this is a creepy post to look at. Sure, the guy may be upset, but he makes some valid points, some ideas that relate to how to make the game better, some things that he thinks occur in baseball that are not reflector in this simulation game. I could see debating with him, but you people gang up on anyone who looks at the game this way. "It's just a game?" No, way really? If it's so meaningless why are you reading a post on its message board. It's just a condescending way to speak to anyone. What does his score have to do with anything? He bought the game just like you, these are his consumer thoughts. You debate and discuss like children in junior high and honestly, I would have thought that a group of men playing a baseball game would have some level of decency and intelligence, I guess I was thinking of the real sorry not the video version. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, or my gamer score isn't high enough to be included in such a high brow discussion, but I can't say I'm impressed. At least one guy finished a book once and learned the word diatribe... It doesn't really fit here, but it's really pretentious, points for that.
I always welcome a constructive respectful discussion, as you may see I have tried not to disrespect anyone, present my points of view maybe in a candid way, since I love to be able to relay my opinion on a matter that certainly is sad, because definitively otherwise what I have pointed out, this is a great game. Its a shame not to try and fix what I have mentioned so far. I do not believe I have all the answers, but would love to see a game where the facts I pointed out are not present.
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@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Then, they mock your love for baseball with the who knows based on what reference timing window to hit the ball. Why? because the timing of the breaking balls is so slow compared to the fastballs, that if you wait to see if the ball is breaking, you are never in time for the fastball:
newsflash devteam, the whole purpose of the breaking balls is for you to confuse them with the fastball , because of their BREAKING, not the difference in speed.Not sure how much baseball you've played in your life but breaking balls are a type of off-speed pitch. So yes, the purpose of a breaking ball is both for break and change of speeds. No point in reading your rant after this.
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@steelymacbeam said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Then, they mock your love for baseball with the who knows based on what reference timing window to hit the ball. Why? because the timing of the breaking balls is so slow compared to the fastballs, that if you wait to see if the ball is breaking, you are never in time for the fastball:
newsflash devteam, the whole purpose of the breaking balls is for you to confuse them with the fastball , because of their BREAKING, not the difference in speed.Not sure how much baseball you've played in your life but breaking balls are a type of off-speed pitch. So yes, the purpose of a breaking ball is both for break and change of speeds. No point in reading your rant after this.
You’re spot on about real life breaking pitches. And to add to that, the speed variance can be so much greater when facing a more skilled pitcher. I think the biggest problem people have with hitting breaking balls in this game is their camera set up. I like using the zone high camera. For me, I think it’s easier to read the pitch out of the pitcher’s hand from the release point because it’s zoomed in so much. You can see a bit of arch out of the hand when it’s released on the breaking pitches. It’s not as nice looking as being able to see the hitter in full view but it definitely helps with hitting the ball. May not work for everyone, but I find it more helpful.
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@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@watsonoeh_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Boy, this is a creepy post to look at. Sure, the guy may be upset, but he makes some valid points, some ideas that relate to how to make the game better, some things that he thinks occur in baseball that are not reflector in this simulation game. I could see debating with him, but you people gang up on anyone who looks at the game this way. "It's just a game?" No, way really? If it's so meaningless why are you reading a post on its message board. It's just a condescending way to speak to anyone. What does his score have to do with anything? He bought the game just like you, these are his consumer thoughts. You debate and discuss like children in junior high and honestly, I would have thought that a group of men playing a baseball game would have some level of decency and intelligence, I guess I was thinking of the real sorry not the video version. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, or my gamer score isn't high enough to be included in such a high brow discussion, but I can't say I'm impressed. At least one guy finished a book once and learned the word diatribe... It doesn't really fit here, but it's really pretentious, points for that.
I always welcome a constructive respectful discussion, as you may see I have tried not to disrespect anyone, present my points of view maybe in a candid way, since I love to be able to relay my opinion on a matter that certainly is sad, because definitively otherwise what I have pointed out, this is a great game. Its a shame not to try and fix what I have mentioned so far. I do not believe I have all the answers, but would love to see a game where the facts I pointed out are not present.
You literally said to me, “ You seem to know little about what hitting is.” That’s not at all respectful. You don’t know me, you just said that in response to my comment about guesswork and prediction. You then went on to describe exactly what I was talking about with different wording. I happen to have been a very successful ball player (not MLB successful but that’s not the total measure of success) and I also coach a very successful youth travel program. I don’t take offense to your comment, but you shouldn’t get upset with people who share a different opinion than you, especially over a video game. My original comment was not even directed towards trying to tell you you’re wrong in your assessment of the game. I was simply sharing my personal feelings about the game in relation to how close to realism is actually possible with an analog controller. My personal opinion is not the end all be all statement of what this game is, it’s just how I feel about it. Sorry that you don’t find this game to be living up to your expectations. I’ve been there with other games and the let down sucks.
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@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@hustlinowl_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
lol what mode is this based off of….let me guess diamond dynast which is far from baseball
No its Online rated. Most of these troubles are all over the place anyway. and In Dynasty mode it's just silly the odd behaviour of the game. No matter how good a hitter or pitcher is, if you make a good pitch, a good timed swing, good things should come your way, thats baseball, but not here.
the best hitters in baseball avg 3/10 hits. There are tons of timed swings that are drilled right at players, or popups.
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@suntlacrimae50_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Nobody's gonna give this guy credit for describing pinpoint pitching as "transcribing sorcery"? That's classic. OP levels up.
hahaha we found the Hunter Thompson in this forum that's for sure
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Best MLBTS since 17, loving the game this year.
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@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
If you’re going to post whiny complaining posts, you’re most likely to get flamed. If you point out flaws or ask legitimate questions, chances are you’ll get constructive replies, with the occasional [censored] here and there. If this game had an 80% approval rate, that means 20% don’t like it. But it’s a haters world, so if you don’t like something it’s automatically bad. Like he posted.
That's the solution for you blind people, "he is a hater" by pointing out FACTS Im not being a hater. Sure, my wording is stingy, designed for the developers, so they can suffer at least some frustration and shame because they know I'm right. And then, turns out you are a cheater as well , because you approve cheating behaviour as a regular standard on online gaming. Thank you for presenting yourself so honestly. Now ppl here knows what to expect if they play you. Reread my post, seems your brain forgot to process some parts, specially the 3rd to last, being this one the last one.
I have no idea where you got cheater from my post, and resurrected an old thread out of nowhere, so I’m guessing you’re back from a ban?
And I have no desire to reread the 3rd to last part above the one before the last or whatever because you make no sense and I’m not masochistic enough to put myself through another read of your ramblings.
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I don’t think the game is a disgrace, it’s just a shame the focus is more on stubs than actually focusing deeply on franchise mode, because that’s what baseball is more about, playing seasons and enjoying the gameplay of a simulation game … Online franchise being taken away for stub buying superstar packs has hurt the game overall…
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@boogiewithstu2 said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
I don’t think the game is a disgrace, it’s just a shame the focus is more on stubs than actually focusing deeply on franchise mode, because that’s what baseball is more about, playing seasons and enjoying the gameplay of a simulation game … Online franchise being taken away for stub buying superstar packs has hurt the game overall…
First year Xbox player here. Were Diamond Dynasty, stubs and card packs not a thing last year? I honestly don’t mind it. It’s kinda fun and I think their system for that is better than EA’s ultimate team. But I agree with you about online franchise. That would sick.
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@car-ramrod-18_xbl said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@boogiewithstu2 said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
I don’t think the game is a disgrace, it’s just a shame the focus is more on stubs than actually focusing deeply on franchise mode, because that’s what baseball is more about, playing seasons and enjoying the gameplay of a simulation game … Online franchise being taken away for stub buying superstar packs has hurt the game overall…
First year Xbox player here. Were Diamond Dynasty, stubs and card packs not a thing last year? I honestly don’t mind it. It’s kinda fun and I think their system for that is better than EA’s ultimate team. But I agree with you about online franchise. That would sick.
Yes, I think it started in 2015 if I remember correctly, it’s just gotten more and more focus over the years because SDS is gong after more cash, it’s where people keep spending real money to get stubs … I love having legend players, and I don’t hate the idea of diamond dynasty and building legend teams, BUT when they take away online franchise after 2017 and then mess with RTTS to force you into stubs it’s and issue and hurting the game … Some people love franchise, some love Diamond dynasty, some love RTTS, give gamers options…
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@boogiewithstu2 said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@car-ramrod-18_xbl said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@boogiewithstu2 said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
I don’t think the game is a disgrace, it’s just a shame the focus is more on stubs than actually focusing deeply on franchise mode, because that’s what baseball is more about, playing seasons and enjoying the gameplay of a simulation game … Online franchise being taken away for stub buying superstar packs has hurt the game overall…
First year Xbox player here. Were Diamond Dynasty, stubs and card packs not a thing last year? I honestly don’t mind it. It’s kinda fun and I think their system for that is better than EA’s ultimate team. But I agree with you about online franchise. That would sick.
Yes, I think it started in 2015 if I remember correctly, it’s just gotten more and more focus over the years because SDS is gong after more cash, it’s where people keep spending real money to get stubs … I love having legend players, and I don’t hate the idea of diamond dynasty and building legend teams, BUT when they take away online franchise after 2017 and then mess with RTTS to force you into stubs it’s and issue and hurting the game … Some people love franchise, some love Diamond dynasty, some love RTTS, give gamers options…
Gocha, thanks. Sounds a lot like Ultimate Team on NHL. Started off as a cool mode years ago but now it’s all about who spends the most money to buy packs or coins to get the players they want off the marketplace. I refuse to spend more money after buying the game so that mode has become pretty unenjoyable. Hope I don’t end up feeling the same way about Diamond Dynasty. So far I think I’ve managed to build a pretty decent team just from packs and cards I’ve gotten from playing other modes, and I like how there’s plenty to do with that team offline too.
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What a weird take.
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I agree with most of your opinion, but I have to accept it because there is no better option than SDS's mlb the show
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Can’t wait for the sequel!
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@car-ramrod-18_xbl said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
@watsonoeh_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:
Boy, this is a creepy post to look at. Sure, the guy may be upset, but he makes some valid points, some ideas that relate to how to make the game better, some things that he thinks occur in baseball that are not reflector in this simulation game. I could see debating with him, but you people gang up on anyone who looks at the game this way. "It's just a game?" No, way really? If it's so meaningless why are you reading a post on its message board. It's just a condescending way to speak to anyone. What does his score have to do with anything? He bought the game just like you, these are his consumer thoughts. You debate and discuss like children in junior high and honestly, I would have thought that a group of men playing a baseball game would have some level of decency and intelligence, I guess I was thinking of the real sorry not the video version. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, or my gamer score isn't high enough to be included in such a high brow discussion, but I can't say I'm impressed. At least one guy finished a book once and learned the word diatribe... It doesn't really fit here, but it's really pretentious, points for that.
I always welcome a constructive respectful discussion, as you may see I have tried not to disrespect anyone, present my points of view maybe in a candid way, since I love to be able to relay my opinion on a matter that certainly is sad, because definitively otherwise what I have pointed out, this is a great game. Its a shame not to try and fix what I have mentioned so far. I do not believe I have all the answers, but would love to see a game where the facts I pointed out are not present.
You literally said to me, “ You seem to know little about what hitting is.” That’s not at all respectful. You don’t know me, you just said that in response to my comment about guesswork and prediction. You then went on to describe exactly what I was talking about with different wording. I happen to have been a very successful ball player (not MLB successful but that’s not the total measure of success) and I also coach a very successful youth travel program. I don’t take offense to your comment, but you shouldn’t get upset with people who share a different opinion than you, especially over a video game. My original comment was not even directed towards trying to tell you you’re wrong in your assessment of the game. I was simply sharing my personal feelings about the game in relation to how close to realism is actually possible with an analog controller. My personal opinion is not the end all be all statement of what this game is, it’s just how I feel about it. Sorry that you don’t find this game to be living up to your expectations. I’ve been there with other games and the let down sucks.
Well it may read distasteful, but I didn't insult you. We need to face the fact that if you don't know what you are talking about, people may call it out on you and bitter as it may be, you have to swallow it. That being said, maybe you didn't relay the message with a more understandable wording for me, not everybody is able to express properly what's on their mind to everybody. I'm sorry if I made you feel offended, because it was not my intention. If we agree on the process of batting, I have news for you and everyone who is still playing regardless, since its the only decent baseball game out there, there is no denying that.
So it turns out: that now, players with the pci batting option, are shameless cheating: let me explain you how:
They put the pci in just about either of the corners of the strike zone. And since the pci was reworked on the 2020 edition, and even increased the sensitivity on this new version, now the contact on the edges of the center crossair are way more good that before. So then. they just press the swing button of their choice, when the ball is about to arrive, so they are not making ANY effort to track the ball for a good contact, because since the pci is more sensitive on the borders now, rarely you will get a swing and miss.
So it turns out, that the supposedly representation of hand and eye coordination, are creating an unfair advantage against any pitcher/pitch. Funny no? I cannot believe they are pressing shamelessly their behinds on their chair cushions when the game is as gravely unbalanced as it is.
