Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed
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This post is attacking the fixation of the community using the PCI (visible) and to a lesser extent, the use of buttons for hitting. The use of Zone with buttons is the most effective way to hit, not because of a steep learning curve to be effective, but due to the ease of tracking a cursor to the ball. It's not terribly difficult to learn, with 5-6 hours of play time and reasonable plate discipline, a player can become very proficient. Your average should rise significantly, likely in the range of 50-75 points.
The removal of the PCI from the screen (not visible) is long overdue, the heavy reliance on this makes the game unrealistic and holds some irony, due to the focus on a cursor instead of the high detail and graphics within the game. No visibility of the PCI will widen the learning curve significantly and won't result in the developers constantly tweaking player attributes to balance with user input.
It is a very touchy subject within the community, because everyone enjoys their crutches. NBA 2k is a good example of a sports game that tries to institute more user input into the game, while making the game more immersive. They do it more specifically with their shot meter; the players that remove the shot meter (crutch) receive a wider window of error.
As far as button hitting, this feature should have been removed from the game entirely long ago or heavily nerfed. The default or highest difficulty/highest reward should be hitting w/stride (analog) with zone (w/o the PCI visible).
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I absolutely love what they did with the new pci customization. Hitting with analog and zone is ridiculous. No one would play the game.
The only thing I’m seeing a lot of problems with is good/squared up. I feel like I never get a hit on good squared up. It’s always perfect or good/okay for me. -
And please SDS please take no advice from anything on a 2k game. Worst developers in the game right now. They are right in front of EA sports. Both TRASH companies
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@DaShrimpP1mp said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
I absolutely love what they did with the new pci customization. Hitting with analog and zone is ridiculous. No one would play the game.
The only thing I’m seeing a lot of problems with is good/squared up. I feel like I never get a hit on good squared up. It’s always perfect or good/okay for me.This is exactly why the community will incessantly haggle over timing or PCI placement combined with user or player attributes. This will never end and will only get worse. The learning curve for the game is incredibly small with a community that enjoys their crutches.
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@IIIDiscoIII said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@DaShrimpP1mp said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
I absolutely love what they did with the new pci customization. Hitting with analog and zone is ridiculous. No one would play the game.
The only thing I’m seeing a lot of problems with is good/squared up. I feel like I never get a hit on good squared up. It’s always perfect or good/okay for me.This is exactly why the community will incessantly haggle over timing or PCI placement combined with user or player attributes. This will never end and will only get worse. The learning curve for the game is incredibly small with a community that enjoys their crutches.
You’re forgetting their purpose. Yea, they are trying to make a good baseball video game, but it’s all about the benjamin$ at the end of the day. Not a lot of people would play a super technical game like that. More people would complain about the higher learning curve. Just my opinion.
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This is the directional fight in reverse.
The reason that your BA increases when you switch to zone has way more to do with your user input meaning more with zone than with analog. I love hitting with analog, it's fun, it feels more like swinging a bat, but PCI placement is not precise and it feels like you are at the mercy of the players attribute way more than you are with zone. So for that I switched to zone in 17 and haven't looked back.
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Directional hitting is the most realistic.
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@nflman2033 said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
This is the directional fight in reverse.
The reason that your BA increases when you switch to zone has way more to do with your user input meaning more with zone than with analog. I love hitting with analog, it's fun, it feels more like swinging a bat, but PCI placement is not precise and it feels like you are at the mercy of the players attribute way more than you are with zone. So for that I switched to zone in 17 and haven't looked back.
You're close, but not quite. Use zone, but not with buttons. Use the analog stick instead, and with stride. Turn the PCI visibility off. Then you'll see how good you really are.
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Pci should not be removed ever, it should be made smaller by a hole lot! People like judge should be the size of the barrel of a bat and trout with high vision should be closer to double the barrel of the bat. That's how you make the game competitive again. Then you reward good input way more and allow the cream of the crop to rise and to finally play a legitimate game with legitimate players instead of all this bull [censored] swing at everything and make contact no matter how poor your timing was or how far off your pci was. That and check swings too, get rid of them or implement a double tap system that it actually takes skill to get a check swing, people literally swing at everything these days it's so sad to see. I miss arcade baseball at this point
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@Amishjosh said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
Pci should not be removed ever, it should be made smaller by a hole lot! People like judge should be the size of the barrel of a bat and trout with high vision should be closer to double the barrel of the bat. That's how you make the game competitive again. Then you reward good input way more and allow the cream of the crop to finally play a legitimate game with legitimate players instead of all this bull [censored] swing at everything and make contact no matter how poor your timing was or how far off your pci was. That and check swings too, get rid of them or implement a double tap system that it actually takes skill to get a check swing, people literally swing at everything these days it's so sad to see. I miss arcade baseball at this point
I'm always reluctant to post things like this, due to the incredibly low level of reading comprehension in this sub. The PCI wouldn't be "removed", you simply wouldn't be able to see it. This option is currently in the game now. You can move the PCI with the left stick without the cursor being visible. It is more difficult to hit this way obviously.
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@IIIDiscoIII said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@Amishjosh said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
Pci should not be removed ever, it should be made smaller by a hole lot! People like judge should be the size of the barrel of a bat and trout with high vision should be closer to double the barrel of the bat. That's how you make the game competitive again. Then you reward good input way more and allow the cream of the crop to finally play a legitimate game with legitimate players instead of all this bull [censored] swing at everything and make contact no matter how poor your timing was or how far off your pci was. That and check swings too, get rid of them or implement a double tap system that it actually takes skill to get a check swing, people literally swing at everything these days it's so sad to see. I miss arcade baseball at this point
I'm always reluctant to post things like this, due to the incredibly low level of reading comprehension in this sub. The PCI wouldn't be "removed", you simply wouldn't be able to see it. This option is currently in the game now. You can move the PCI with the left stick without the cursor being visible. It is more difficult to hit this way obviously.
What hitting camera do you use? Because if you use a zoomed in strike zone version, which I am betting you do, you're just a big ol' hypocrite.
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@mike_ph said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@IIIDiscoIII said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@Amishjosh said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
Pci should not be removed ever, it should be made smaller by a hole lot! People like judge should be the size of the barrel of a bat and trout with high vision should be closer to double the barrel of the bat. That's how you make the game competitive again. Then you reward good input way more and allow the cream of the crop to finally play a legitimate game with legitimate players instead of all this bull [censored] swing at everything and make contact no matter how poor your timing was or how far off your pci was. That and check swings too, get rid of them or implement a double tap system that it actually takes skill to get a check swing, people literally swing at everything these days it's so sad to see. I miss arcade baseball at this point
I'm always reluctant to post things like this, due to the incredibly low level of reading comprehension in this sub. The PCI wouldn't be "removed", you simply wouldn't be able to see it. This option is currently in the game now. You can move the PCI with the left stick without the cursor being visible. It is more difficult to hit this way obviously.
What hitting camera do you use? Because if you use a zoomed in strike zone version, which I am betting you do, you're just a big ol' hypocrite.
I use strike zone 2 or offset zoom. I don't see any difference whatsoever between strike zone or strike zone 2 or offset zoom, while using the above settings. Way to miss the entire point.
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@IIIDiscoIII said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@Amishjosh said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
Pci should not be removed ever, it should be made smaller by a hole lot! People like judge should be the size of the barrel of a bat and trout with high vision should be closer to double the barrel of the bat. That's how you make the game competitive again. Then you reward good input way more and allow the cream of the crop to finally play a legitimate game with legitimate players instead of all this bull [censored] swing at everything and make contact no matter how poor your timing was or how far off your pci was. That and check swings too, get rid of them or implement a double tap system that it actually takes skill to get a check swing, people literally swing at everything these days it's so sad to see. I miss arcade baseball at this point
I'm always reluctant to post things like this, due to the incredibly low level of reading comprehension in this sub. The PCI wouldn't be "removed", you simply wouldn't be able to see it. This option is currently in the game now. You can move the PCI with the left stick without the cursor being visible. It is more difficult to hit this way obviously.
I know would you meant, I'm saying it should always be a visual. I am a fan of 2k but the reason why it works there is because the hands on the guy is your visual and people arent rewarded more for it they just actually become better at timing and the visual of the hands. Everytime a meter pops up people arent learning they are just trying to green bar. That does not involve actually learning your shot and that's 80% of the people that play that game. I will state this again, pci should always be there! That is your only visual, you dont want to see it then go to zone.
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@Amishjosh said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@IIIDiscoIII said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@Amishjosh said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
Pci should not be removed ever, it should be made smaller by a hole lot! People like judge should be the size of the barrel of a bat and trout with high vision should be closer to double the barrel of the bat. That's how you make the game competitive again. Then you reward good input way more and allow the cream of the crop to finally play a legitimate game with legitimate players instead of all this bull [censored] swing at everything and make contact no matter how poor your timing was or how far off your pci was. That and check swings too, get rid of them or implement a double tap system that it actually takes skill to get a check swing, people literally swing at everything these days it's so sad to see. I miss arcade baseball at this point
I'm always reluctant to post things like this, due to the incredibly low level of reading comprehension in this sub. The PCI wouldn't be "removed", you simply wouldn't be able to see it. This option is currently in the game now. You can move the PCI with the left stick without the cursor being visible. It is more difficult to hit this way obviously.
I know what you meant, I'm saying it should always be a visual. I am a fan of 2k but the reason why it works there is because the hands on the guy is your visual and people arent rewarded more for it they just actually become better at timing and the visual of the hands. Everytime a meter pops up people arent learning they are just trying to green bar. That does not involve actually learning your shot and that's 80% of the people that play that game. I will state this again, pci should always be there! That is your only visual, you dont want to see it then go to zone. Got d.a.m.n. troll... comprehend that?
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@Amishjosh said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@Amishjosh said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@IIIDiscoIII said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@Amishjosh said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
Pci should not be removed ever, it should be made smaller by a hole lot! People like judge should be the size of the barrel of a bat and trout with high vision should be closer to double the barrel of the bat. That's how you make the game competitive again. Then you reward good input way more and allow the cream of the crop to finally play a legitimate game with legitimate players instead of all this bull [censored] swing at everything and make contact no matter how poor your timing was or how far off your pci was. That and check swings too, get rid of them or implement a double tap system that it actually takes skill to get a check swing, people literally swing at everything these days it's so sad to see. I miss arcade baseball at this point
I'm always reluctant to post things like this, due to the incredibly low level of reading comprehension in this sub. The PCI wouldn't be "removed", you simply wouldn't be able to see it. This option is currently in the game now. You can move the PCI with the left stick without the cursor being visible. It is more difficult to hit this way obviously.
I know what you meant, I'm saying it should always be a visual. I am a fan of 2k but the reason why it works there is because the hands on the guy is your visual and people arent rewarded more for it they just actually become better at timing and the visual of the hands. Everytime a meter pops up people arent learning they are just trying to green bar. That does not involve actually learning your shot and that's 80% of the people that play that game. I will state this again, pci should always be there! That is your only visual, you dont want to see it then go to zone. Got d.a.m.n. troll... comprehend that?
Incredibly tired of the low level iq gamers who think they know why something works in a game and are just completely wrong.... mass public for ya
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@IIIDiscoIII said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@nflman2033 said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
This is the directional fight in reverse.
The reason that your BA increases when you switch to zone has way more to do with your user input meaning more with zone than with analog. I love hitting with analog, it's fun, it feels more like swinging a bat, but PCI placement is not precise and it feels like you are at the mercy of the players attribute way more than you are with zone. So for that I switched to zone in 17 and haven't looked back.
You're close, but not quite. Use zone, but not with buttons. Use the analog stick instead, and with stride. Turn the PCI visibility off. Then you'll see how good you really are.
Yeah, I'll pass, I'm not good and not that good. But I agree that zone with analog stride is the most accurate representation of hitting.
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@IIIDiscoIII said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@mike_ph said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@IIIDiscoIII said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
@Amishjosh said in Overdue changes to hitting interfaces needed:
Pci should not be removed ever, it should be made smaller by a hole lot! People like judge should be the size of the barrel of a bat and trout with high vision should be closer to double the barrel of the bat. That's how you make the game competitive again. Then you reward good input way more and allow the cream of the crop to finally play a legitimate game with legitimate players instead of all this bull [censored] swing at everything and make contact no matter how poor your timing was or how far off your pci was. That and check swings too, get rid of them or implement a double tap system that it actually takes skill to get a check swing, people literally swing at everything these days it's so sad to see. I miss arcade baseball at this point
I'm always reluctant to post things like this, due to the incredibly low level of reading comprehension in this sub. The PCI wouldn't be "removed", you simply wouldn't be able to see it. This option is currently in the game now. You can move the PCI with the left stick without the cursor being visible. It is more difficult to hit this way obviously.
What hitting camera do you use? Because if you use a zoomed in strike zone version, which I am betting you do, you're just a big ol' hypocrite.
I use strike zone 2 or offset zoom. I don't see any difference whatsoever between strike zone or strike zone 2 or offset zoom, while using the above settings. Way to miss the entire point.
No, see I get the point. Your point is just [censored] stupid and hypocritical. If you want everyone to play the way you do to challenge themselves and play a more realistic style, then why are you using the same stupid unrealistic camera view as 95% of this games population? Youre a joke, did your other account get banned so you made this one to spew the same bs?
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This dude must not play 2k very much. 2k is a karate chop fest on defense and an absolute nightmare.
If it’s that incredibly easy, I expect you’re up on the leaderboard?
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Again with these darn posts, let it go people, adapt or die. Enjoy your way, and if you don’t win enough then change your method or you’re not good enough. Every year I inevitably hit my ceiling; not here complaining it’s not fair.
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I smell a burner account of one of the Neanderthals who've been crying about this lately.
The pci gets smaller and larger based on the attributes of the card.
Directional, analog, and zone all have a pci. It isn't my fault you choose to use a hitting interface that doesn't allow you to move your pci independently. You know the buckshot on your swing feedback? Yeah, thats your pci.
Stop acting like pure analog takes some godly talent or is superior or something. It's laughable. You time the swing only. You do half of a swing.
