COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters

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Guess what, patents exist in COD which nerf you in real time, it's all over youtube go look it up. Like I said two months ago when I quit this game, if you dont think their is an obvious comeback logic//rigging in this game you are a noob who does not play at the higher ranks. COD is a big game, fifa has been rumored to have such things in their game. It might only get worse with all the noobs from xbox joining next year.

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Lol I remember FIFA facing a lawsuit for that.

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@Lt_RebeI said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

Guess what, patents exist in COD which nerf you in real time, it's all over youtube go look it up. Like I said two months ago when I quit this game, if you dont think their is an obvious comeback logic//rigging in this game you are a noob who does not play at the higher ranks. COD is a big game, fifa has been rumored to have such things in their game. It might only get worse with all the noobs from xbox joining next year.

EA has a patent for what they like to call Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment (or DDA for short) and they were found using it in online play to help balance what should be lopsided games.

I was an avid NHL series player for years. We in the community always suspected some kind of rubber banding (which we oh so lovingly called 'ice tilt') but it was impossible to pin point and prove. It's more a feeling you get where all of a sudden it all goes to hell. Anyways....

EA was always extremely active on the NHL ultimate team reddit and their reps always denied any form of ice tilt or balancing coding being in their games. That is until the day this info came out. Suddenly the EA reps all became ghosts, hardly interacting and wouldn't ever respond to anything that remotely involved DDA.

The biggest issue I find with this whole thing is that there's microtransactions and real money at play here in the form of packs. I have always been free to play, but the point is you could sink thousands of dollars into your team and have all the highest rated cards, only to have a squad full bronze players win every puck battle, come from behind and beat you in a foot race, and snipe bar down every time they shoot while your goalie flubs every easy shot.

Sure, the better cards don't make up for lack of skill. A top tier player will win more often than not regardless of the cards, especially in traditional sports games where more than just a pitcher and batter are involved in majority of the battles. But those cards should give you an advantage if you choose to purchase them. Having that advantage taken away defeats the purpose of having the advantage in the first place.

On the flip side, I 100% understand the logic from game developers. Having a new player get rocked 10-0 every game isn't going to make them want to keep playing, let alone spend extra money. But if you can have a player with a much worse team keep things competitive against a god squad, you might just convince them to shell out some real world money to buy that missing piece the player believes will get them over the hump.

I get it, I just don't like it.

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COD, DDA, Comeback logic...Whatever you want to call it is real & in all sports games. The companies won’t come out & advertise it but it’s there in the fine print. Business wise it makes total sense. If people lose three in a row & then win 3 in a row they’ll keep playing & spending...The goal is to keep players around .500...If they lose 20 in a row they’ll lose interest & move on to other games.

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@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

COD, DDA, Comeback logic.

COD was the game. Call of Duty.

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@EvylShaun said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@Lt_RebeI said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

Guess what, patents exist in COD which nerf you in real time, it's all over youtube go look it up. Like I said two months ago when I quit this game, if you dont think their is an obvious comeback logic//rigging in this game you are a noob who does not play at the higher ranks. COD is a big game, fifa has been rumored to have such things in their game. It might only get worse with all the noobs from xbox joining next year.

EA has a patent for what they like to call Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment (or DDA for short) and they were found using it in online play to help balance what should be lopsided games.

I was an avid NHL series player for years. We in the community always suspected some kind of rubber banding (which we oh so lovingly called 'ice tilt') but it was impossible to pin point and prove. It's more a feeling you get where all of a sudden it all goes to hell. Anyways....

EA was always extremely active on the NHL ultimate team reddit and their reps always denied any form of ice tilt or balancing coding being in their games. That is until the day this info came out. Suddenly the EA reps all became ghosts, hardly interacting and wouldn't ever respond to anything that remotely involved DDA.

The biggest issue I find with this whole thing is that there's microtransactions and real money at play here in the form of packs. I have always been free to play, but the point is you could sink thousands of dollars into your team and have all the highest rated cards, only to have a squad full bronze players win every puck battle, come from behind and beat you in a foot race, and snipe bar down every time they shoot while your goalie flubs every easy shot.

Sure, the better cards don't make up for lack of skill. A top tier player will win more often than not regardless of the cards, especially in traditional sports games where more than just a pitcher and batter are involved in majority of the battles. But those cards should give you an advantage if you choose to purchase them. Having that advantage taken away defeats the purpose of having the advantage in the first place.

On the flip side, I 100% understand the logic from game developers. Having a new player get rocked 10-0 every game isn't going to make them want to keep playing, let alone spend extra money. But if you can have a player with a much worse team keep things competitive against a god squad, you might just convince them to shell out some real world money to buy that missing piece the player believes will get them over the hump.

I get it, I just don't like it.

well said - i am sure SDS is working this way too - they have yet to prove to us otherwise esp. this year

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Do any of you remember the Madden commercial way back when, that lauded DDA as a new feature? It had a father explaining that he can play against his kid, and the kid could hold their own because the game helped them out. It also penalized the father. This was mid 2000s decade (I think).

It's been around for a long time, and EA has a patent on their DDA version. They can keep claiming it's not in the online game, but most people know the feeling. Just thinking logically, it's obvious it has been implemented in EA online games.

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@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

COD, DDA, Comeback logic...Whatever you want to call it is real & in all sports games. The companies won’t come out & advertise it but it’s there in the fine print. Business wise it makes total sense. If people lose three in a row & then win 3 in a row they’ll keep playing & spending...The goal is to keep players around .500...If they lose 20 in a row they’ll lose interest & move on to other games.

Its the same concept as rubber banding in racing games. Its annoying af.

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@formallyforearms said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

Do any of you remember the Madden commercial way back when, that lauded DDA as a new feature? It had a father explaining that he can play against his kid, and the kid could hold their own because the game helped them out. It also penalized the father. This was mid 2000s decade (I think).

It's been around for a long time, and EA has a patent on their DDA version. They can keep claiming it's not in the online game, but most people know the feeling. Just thinking logically, it's obvious it has been implemented in EA online games.

I dont think that is necessarily a bad thing. people didnt make a big deal of it then because online play wasnt that popular, and there was always an option to turn that off. Think it was called "fair play" or maybe even as blatant as "keep game close" on some games. But there is no room for it on H2H online games between people.

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@ChuckCLC said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@formallyforearms said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

Do any of you remember the Madden commercial way back when, that lauded DDA as a new feature? It had a father explaining that he can play against his kid, and the kid could hold their own because the game helped them out. It also penalized the father. This was mid 2000s decade (I think).

It's been around for a long time, and EA has a patent on their DDA version. They can keep claiming it's not in the online game, but most people know the feeling. Just thinking logically, it's obvious it has been implemented in EA online games.

I dont think that is necessarily a bad thing. people didnt make a big deal of it then because online play wasnt that popular, and there was always an option to turn that off. Think it was called "fair play" or maybe even as blatant as "keep game close" on some games. But there is no room for it on H2H online games between people.

I miss the fair play option on football games...You couldn’t go for it on 4th down except the last two minutes of the game, no onside kicks. Forced people to play a normal game lol.

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@Ikasnu said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

COD, DDA, Comeback logic...Whatever you want to call it is real & in all sports games. The companies won’t come out & advertise it but it’s there in the fine print. Business wise it makes total sense. If people lose three in a row & then win 3 in a row they’ll keep playing & spending...The goal is to keep players around .500...If they lose 20 in a row they’ll lose interest & move on to other games.

Its the same concept as rubber banding in racing games. Its annoying af.

Yeah..But it won’t stop any of us from playing. People like to get worked up about it but nobody will actually stop playing.

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Some of you can relate with me here. NBA Jam on Sega or Super Nintendo. Even with the golden ball you would clank dunks if you were too far ahead lol. If you were way behind the worst shooter would drain full court three’s.

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@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@Ikasnu said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

COD, DDA, Comeback logic...Whatever you want to call it is real & in all sports games. The companies won’t come out & advertise it but it’s there in the fine print. Business wise it makes total sense. If people lose three in a row & then win 3 in a row they’ll keep playing & spending...The goal is to keep players around .500...If they lose 20 in a row they’ll lose interest & move on to other games.

Its the same concept as rubber banding in racing games. Its annoying af.

Yeah..But it won’t stop any of us from playing. People like to get worked up about it but nobody will actually stop playing.

I haven't purchased an EA product since. I'm aware I'm in a tiny minority but there are at least a few of us

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@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@Ikasnu said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

COD, DDA, Comeback logic...Whatever you want to call it is real & in all sports games. The companies won’t come out & advertise it but it’s there in the fine print. Business wise it makes total sense. If people lose three in a row & then win 3 in a row they’ll keep playing & spending...The goal is to keep players around .500...If they lose 20 in a row they’ll lose interest & move on to other games.

Its the same concept as rubber banding in racing games. Its annoying af.

Yeah..But it won’t stop any of us from playing. People like to get worked up about it but nobody will actually stop playing.

True.

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@EvylShaun said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@Ikasnu said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

COD, DDA, Comeback logic...Whatever you want to call it is real & in all sports games. The companies won’t come out & advertise it but it’s there in the fine print. Business wise it makes total sense. If people lose three in a row & then win 3 in a row they’ll keep playing & spending...The goal is to keep players around .500...If they lose 20 in a row they’ll lose interest & move on to other games.

Its the same concept as rubber banding in racing games. Its annoying af.

Yeah..But it won’t stop any of us from playing. People like to get worked up about it but nobody will actually stop playing.

I haven't purchased an EA product since. I'm aware I'm in a tiny minority but there are at least a few of us

DDA is the least of your worries with Madden lol. That game is an absolute dumpster fire right now. SO MUCH is broken on that game right now. It’s sad how bad that franchise has gotten.

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@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@EvylShaun said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@Ikasnu said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

COD, DDA, Comeback logic...Whatever you want to call it is real & in all sports games. The companies won’t come out & advertise it but it’s there in the fine print. Business wise it makes total sense. If people lose three in a row & then win 3 in a row they’ll keep playing & spending...The goal is to keep players around .500...If they lose 20 in a row they’ll lose interest & move on to other games.

Its the same concept as rubber banding in racing games. Its annoying af.

Yeah..But it won’t stop any of us from playing. People like to get worked up about it but nobody will actually stop playing.

I haven't purchased an EA product since. I'm aware I'm in a tiny minority but there are at least a few of us

DDA is the least of your worries with Madden lol. That game is an absolute dumpster fire right now. SO MUCH is broken on that game right now. It’s sad how bad that franchise has gotten.

I wasn't a Madden player. It was strictly NHL with a dabble in a bit of fifa every couple years.

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@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@Ikasnu said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

COD, DDA, Comeback logic...Whatever you want to call it is real & in all sports games. The companies won’t come out & advertise it but it’s there in the fine print. Business wise it makes total sense. If people lose three in a row & then win 3 in a row they’ll keep playing & spending...The goal is to keep players around .500...If they lose 20 in a row they’ll lose interest & move on to other games.

Its the same concept as rubber banding in racing games. Its annoying af.

Yeah..But it won’t stop any of us from playing. People like to get worked up about it but nobody will actually stop playing.

I'm one of those guys that won't be here next year..I'm going to keep my word, I'm over it...but I'll play this game cycle out. Once the PS5 game library expands I'm out

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@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@EvylShaun said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@Ikasnu said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

COD, DDA, Comeback logic...Whatever you want to call it is real & in all sports games. The companies won’t come out & advertise it but it’s there in the fine print. Business wise it makes total sense. If people lose three in a row & then win 3 in a row they’ll keep playing & spending...The goal is to keep players around .500...If they lose 20 in a row they’ll lose interest & move on to other games.

Its the same concept as rubber banding in racing games. Its annoying af.

Yeah..But it won’t stop any of us from playing. People like to get worked up about it but nobody will actually stop playing.

I haven't purchased an EA product since. I'm aware I'm in a tiny minority but there are at least a few of us

DDA is the least of your worries with Madden lol. That game is an absolute dumpster fire right now. SO MUCH is broken on that game right now. It’s sad how bad that franchise has gotten.

Someone on here a few weeks ago was trying to claim The Show was worse than Madden.

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@Ikasnu said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@EvylShaun said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@Ikasnu said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

@JediOfArgonath said in COD Exposed: AND WHY it matters:

COD, DDA, Comeback logic...Whatever you want to call it is real & in all sports games. The companies won’t come out & advertise it but it’s there in the fine print. Business wise it makes total sense. If people lose three in a row & then win 3 in a row they’ll keep playing & spending...The goal is to keep players around .500...If they lose 20 in a row they’ll lose interest & move on to other games.

Its the same concept as rubber banding in racing games. Its annoying af.

Yeah..But it won’t stop any of us from playing. People like to get worked up about it but nobody will actually stop playing.

I haven't purchased an EA product since. I'm aware I'm in a tiny minority but there are at least a few of us

DDA is the least of your worries with Madden lol. That game is an absolute dumpster fire right now. SO MUCH is broken on that game right now. It’s sad how bad that franchise has gotten.

Someone on here a few weeks ago was trying to claim The Show was worse than Madden.

The Show has it’s issues but it’s nowhere near as bad as Madden is now. I’ve played The Show since 15 & I’ve played Madden since 1995. This was the first year that I actually quit playing Madden - It’s absolutely unplayable.

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You do realize that Madden is on the PC right ? People have dissected that programming for the last 2 years and have found no evidence of DDA getting applied to online games.

You hate to admit it, but it’s all confirmation bias. All of you are circle j$&(;; each other.

I loveeee on how one poster said “ they have yet to prove otherwise “. That is along the lines of “ when did you stop beating your wife”. It’s on the accuser to prove the defender did something wrong. Not the other way around.

Either way, The Show will be on PC next year and people will dissect it and put this question to bed.

Only reason it seems that there is DDA in show is because of clutch ratings. Which kicks in the last 3 innings of a game. It was posted somewhere the exact times and situations it kicks in. Think of it as Rally Monkey quirk that Machado finest card has.