The three features that received the most L's in todays stream
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@Vipersneak said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
SDS has always favored online play because it makes you feel that you need better players so then you will buy more stubs. It is a cash grab, just like "no quick selling collected cards" is. SDS has never cared much for offline players in DD. These reasons mean that I will be only playing offline leagues this time around. I am not spending extra money just to be regulated to the 2nd class citizen status again.
Seriously? Online has RS, BR, and events. Offline has conquest, affinity, MTO (new in 19), moments (new in 19), and showdown (new in 20). SDS does an amazing job for offline. And even these red diamonds are pretty easy stat grinds online (no absurd single game missions) that you can literally do on veteran difficulty by keeping yourself at the lowest level of RS.
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@GradektheBard said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
@Vipersneak said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
SDS has always favored online play because it makes you feel that you need better players so then you will buy more stubs. It is a cash grab, just like "no quick selling collected cards" is. SDS has never cared much for offline players in DD. These reasons mean that I will be only playing offline leagues this time around. I am not spending extra money just to be regulated to the 2nd class citizen status again.
Seriously? Online has RS, BR, and events. Offline has conquest, affinity, MTO (new in 19), moments (new in 19), and showdown (new in 20). SDS does an amazing job for offline. And even these red diamonds are pretty easy stat grinds online (no absurd single game missions) that you can literally do on veteran difficulty by keeping yourself at the lowest level of RS.
I agree, they have no doubt answered the pleas the offline guys have had. The only thing that is strange is those offline modes that have been added do not utilize your DD cards. Moments has preset players to use, showdown is a BR draft style. So the only mode offline specific for your DD cards is Conquest, other than straight up vs CPU. I do think trying to arrange an online league and kick out users maybe the best thing for Offline guys to do to have something vs CPU that utilizes your acquired cards.
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@omegaminus_sk said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
I only caught a tiny part of the stream, but I did see them talking about the prestige diamonds and how they were using them to respond to the requests for the return of some of the stat grinds. Except that in my experience, 95+% of the people asking for stat grinds were
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@CaseyA211 said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
@omegaminus_sk said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
I only caught a tiny part of the stream, but I did see them talking about the prestige diamonds and how they were using them to respond to the requests for the return of some of the stat grinds. Except that in my experience, 95+% of the people asking for stat grinds were offline players looking for more to do than just play Conquest over and over.
As someone looking for better things to do with my DD collection without having to play H2H, was there anything new in this stream?
Showdown is entirely offline and made to be a BR type experience for offline players
Showdown does not use your DD cards, which is what offline players want, a way to use your collection offline. Offline players really have no reason to collect cards at all.
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@GradektheBard said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
@Vipersneak said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
SDS has always favored online play because it makes you feel that you need better players so then you will buy more stubs. It is a cash grab, just like "no quick selling collected cards" is. SDS has never cared much for offline players in DD. These reasons mean that I will be only playing offline leagues this time around. I am not spending extra money just to be regulated to the 2nd class citizen status again.
Seriously? Online has RS, BR, and events. Offline has conquest, affinity, MTO (new in 19), moments (new in 19), and showdown (new in 20). SDS does an amazing job for offline. And even these red diamonds are pretty easy stat grinds online (no absurd single game missions) that you can literally do on veteran difficulty by keeping yourself at the lowest level of RS.
Yes there are things to do, but not with your DD collection. This means there is no reason for any offline player to collect cards other than Conquest.
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@Vipersneak said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
@GradektheBard said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
@Vipersneak said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
SDS has always favored online play because it makes you feel that you need better players so then you will buy more stubs. It is a cash grab, just like "no quick selling collected cards" is. SDS has never cared much for offline players in DD. These reasons mean that I will be only playing offline leagues this time around. I am not spending extra money just to be regulated to the 2nd class citizen status again.
Seriously? Online has RS, BR, and events. Offline has conquest, affinity, MTO (new in 19), moments (new in 19), and showdown (new in 20). SDS does an amazing job for offline. And even these red diamonds are pretty easy stat grinds online (no absurd single game missions) that you can literally do on veteran difficulty by keeping yourself at the lowest level of RS.
Yes there are things to do, but not with your DD collection. This means there is no reason for any offline player to collect cards other than Conquest.
Which has 3 inning games, sort of devalues SP, although 3 batter minimum does change that. Not to mention always road team.
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@nflman2033 said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
Not to mention always road team.
This is an understated weakness of offline DD. DD's main thrust is team customization and Conquest gives zero use for home uniforms or stadium cards.
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All I'm saying is, There's no good reason a universal +3 to all stats should be locked to online play. If you want to PUSH players towards online, then make the online rewards easier and less time consuming. But an offline option should be present. Even something as simple has having to grind the FULL season stats offline instead of the half season would be fine
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@ImDFC said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
All I'm saying is, There's no good reason a universal +3 to all stats should be locked to online play. If you want to PUSH players towards online, then make the online rewards easier and less time consuming. But an offline option should be present. Even something as simple has having to grind the FULL season stats offline instead of the half season would be fine
I’m still wondering why it said “Stage 1” above the prestige diamond stat missions.
It seems like they’ll be adding more ways to get them, but I don’t know why they would need to wait to release something like that.
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@ImDFC said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
If you're playing offline, you don't really need the evolution version of a card. You do after all get to select the difficulty you want to play most of the time.
That's the point most are trying to make. The way DD is set up, your cards essentially don't matter offline. Virtually all the incentives are for H2H play which is probably the weakest portion of the game, at least from a gameplay standpoint.
Folks want a reason to collect cards outside of using them H2H.
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@nflman2033 said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
@GradektheBard said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
@Vipersneak said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
SDS has always favored online play because it makes you feel that you need better players so then you will buy more stubs. It is a cash grab, just like "no quick selling collected cards" is. SDS has never cared much for offline players in DD. These reasons mean that I will be only playing offline leagues this time around. I am not spending extra money just to be regulated to the 2nd class citizen status again.
Seriously? Online has RS, BR, and events. Offline has conquest, affinity, MTO (new in 19), moments (new in 19), and showdown (new in 20). SDS does an amazing job for offline. And even these red diamonds are pretty easy stat grinds online (no absurd single game missions) that you can literally do on veteran difficulty by keeping yourself at the lowest level of RS.
I agree, they have no doubt answered the pleas the offline guys have had. The only thing that is strange is those offline modes that have been added do not utilize your DD cards. Moments has preset players to use, showdown is a BR draft style. So the only mode offline specific for your DD cards is Conquest, other than straight up vs CPU. I do think trying to arrange an online league and kick out users maybe the best thing for Offline guys to do to have something vs CPU that utilizes your acquired cards.
I agree with everything outside of your opening sentence. They 'answered' the pleas for offline folks in the same manner custom leagues answered the pleas of online franchise users (ie. they didn't).
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@Furious_Boogers said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
@ImDFC said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
If you're playing offline, you don't really need the evolution version of a card. You do after all get to select the difficulty you want to play most of the time.
That's the point most are trying to make. The way DD is set up, your cards essentially don't matter offline. Virtually all the incentives are for H2H play which is probably the weakest portion of the game, at least from a gameplay standpoint.
Folks want a reason to collect cards outside of using them H2H.
There still hasn't been a reasonable argument in favor of Prestige being online only. Every post has just been "but offline players dont NEED them", like this is a matter of need
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I personally loved number 1 because you get a free 91 for doing minimal grinds and if you chose to play more you can get a better card. I think it’s a win win. However the no quicksell and br 3 batter thing is annoying
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I really love what they offer us in this game mode.
Just a tiny bit disappointed about the online prestige grind.
I understand it and I'm not gonna cry over it but as a non US based player (France) I'm really unable to play online due to the server response speed making it uncompetitive.
I wish even though I understand we're just a few thousand they'd take it into account.
Well now if they set up a EU server I'll be ok with online only grind...
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All offline players asked for was some kind of stat grind and some kind of mode to play offline 9 inning games that matter in some way. Not a bunch of gimmicky modes that dont even use our DD team
I pre ordered already, but this is probably the last year I'll be buying at full price.
P.S. screw moments...
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@maskedgrappler said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
All offline players asked for was some kind of stat grind and some kind of mode to play offline 9 inning games that matter in some way. Not a bunch of gimmicky modes that dont even use our DD team
I pre ordered already, but this is probably the last year I'll be buying at full price.
P.S. screw moments...
It’s amazing how tone deaf they can be sometimes.
From the stream, “We listened to your feedback!” Well yes, but no not really.
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@Dolenz said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
- Prestige Diamonds can only be earned by grinding stats online
- If you collect a card then that card is completely unsellable. No quick selling.
- Three Batter minimum applies in BR (I don't play BR and this seems extreme even to me)
Overall, I loved all the new stuff and it pushed me forward to pre-order. The first one is really the only one that kind of tilted me a little.
I think you can still exchange locked cards correct?
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@JuiceBagnAs said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
@Dolenz said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
- Prestige Diamonds can only be earned by grinding stats online
- If you collect a card then that card is completely unsellable. No quick selling.
- Three Batter minimum applies in BR (I don't play BR and this seems extreme even to me)
Overall, I loved all the new stuff and it pushed me forward to pre-order. The first one is really the only one that kind of tilted me a little.
I think you can still exchange locked cards correct?
Nope
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@ImDFC said in The three features that received the most L's in todays stream:
The collection one doesn't really bother me all that much. The Prestige Diamonds being locked behind online grinds irked me though. Online already basically had a monopoly on BR rewards, why give them another with this?
I agree with you as far as the having the opportunity to accomplish the stats offline.
Because everyone knows it is going to be just Like the Ken Griffey's grind where you had to get so many HR's in a game and people either walks him or pitched around him so the fact that Online play is required does not make me happy b/c we know how many trolls play online!
They could make it to where you have to play on all star difficulty or higher which is what online play is.
