Luis Robert
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@raesONE said in Luis Robert:
@samguenther1987 said in Luis Robert:
@The_Joneser said in Luis Robert:
@raesONE said in Luis Robert:
Another RBI basehit for Luis Robert in the meantime.
Boo.
This postseason thing has been killing me over the last several years...
No denying his talent, though; I just want my A's to get past the first round
Oakland is making a bit of a push here, this is now a very good game.
White Sox survived a total collapse there lol
Yes that could have been a lot worse, however the White Sox have now used 6 pitchers through 4 innings. Whats the plan here? Are they going to use all of their bullpen arms?
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@samguenther1987 said in Luis Robert:
@raesONE said in Luis Robert:
@samguenther1987 said in Luis Robert:
@The_Joneser said in Luis Robert:
@raesONE said in Luis Robert:
Another RBI basehit for Luis Robert in the meantime.
Boo.
This postseason thing has been killing me over the last several years...
No denying his talent, though; I just want my A's to get past the first round
Oakland is making a bit of a push here, this is now a very good game.
White Sox survived a total collapse there lol
Yes that could have been a lot worse, however the White Sox have now used 6 pitchers through 4 innings. Whats the plan here? Are they going to use all of their bullpen arms?
I like it. All or nothing baseball, win or go home. Just hope they don't run out of arms before the end of the game.
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The A's have now loaded the bases 3 times in 5 innings, White Sox are playing with fire here.
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@samguenther1987 said in Luis Robert:
The A's have now loaded the bases 3 times in 5 innings, White Sox are playing with fire here.
Shame this game is taking so long, it's almost midnight here and I have responsibilities in the morning.
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Sheesh... made that one interesting. Those Sox will be back in it next year, and likely for a while after that. For now, though...
Lets-go-Oak-land!
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@The_Joneser said in Luis Robert:
Sheesh... made that one interesting. Those Sox will be back in it next year, and likely for a while after that. For now, though...
Lets-go-Oak-land!
So Oakland Vs Houston? Go A's
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Based on that homer I suspect we see his card go straight to diamond. At the very least he'll get a special 99 free diamond for hitting a long bomb. #2020Robert4presidente
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@NCStateHokie said in Luis Robert:
Based on that homer I suspect we see his card go straight to diamond. At the very least he'll get a special 99 free diamond for hitting a long bomb. #2020Robert4presidente
Ha. I said earlier I expect the three 9th inning bosses to be retro future star John Smoltz, 99 postseason Luis Robert, and some Padre.
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I mean to be fair about all this Luis Robert hype compared to Kyle Lewis, it's not only an SDS thing, it's basically the entire baseball world besides Mariners fans and people who actually look deep into stats.
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@eatyum said in Luis Robert:
I mean to be fair about all this Luis Robert hype compared to Kyle Lewis, it's not only an SDS thing, it's basically the entire baseball world besides Mariners fans and people who actually look at stats.
Ha. Luckily you can probably put sports writers in there as well. I’ve seen 7 or 8 postseason awards prediction lists the last few days and every one of them had Lewis winning ROY.
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The guy who thinks Kyle Lewis is going to win AL Rookie of the Year is funny.
Luckily for the rest of us, the people that determine the award don't just box-score scout and actually watch the games. Luis Robert will win because he was also an elite fielder, something Kyle Lewis was not.
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@BodamEscapePlan said in Luis Robert:
The guy who thinks Kyle Lewis is going to win AL Rookie of the Year is funny.
Luckily for the rest of us, the people that determine the award don't just box-score scout and actually watch the games. Luis Robert will win because he was also an elite fielder, something Kyle Lewis was not.
And yet, even with the admittingly just below average defense, Kyle Lewis had a higher WAR because his offense was that much better.
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@BodamEscapePlan said in Luis Robert:
The guy who thinks Kyle Lewis is going to win AL Rookie of the Year is funny.
Luckily for the rest of us, the people that determine the award don't just box-score scout and actually watch the games. Luis Robert will win because he was also an elite fielder, something Kyle Lewis was not.
Now THAT was funny.... I needed that laugh.
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@eatyum said in Luis Robert:
@BodamEscapePlan said in Luis Robert:
The guy who thinks Kyle Lewis is going to win AL Rookie of the Year is funny.
Luckily for the rest of us, the people that determine the award don't just box-score scout and actually watch the games. Luis Robert will win because he was also an elite fielder, something Kyle Lewis was not.
And yet, even with the admittingly just below average defense, Kyle Lewis had a higher WAR because his offense was that much better.
I'm assuming you're using Fangraphs. But according to BaseballReference, Luis Robert still edges Lewis out by 0.3 wins above replacement.
And I'm not trying to sound smug or act like a "know it all," but there's a lot more that goes into these awards than just a black and white, paint by the numbers approach. They're going to consider context; as in Luis Robert was left in no man's land in the 7th spot in the lineup with no protection so he didn't see any "good" pitches, the fact that he was playing on a team in contention for a division and league pennant, and I don't think anyone could argue against the fact that the AL West was light in terms of playing competitive teams in the AL and NL West in comparison to the AL Central playing their own division and the NL Central.
But, I guess we will see. Crazier things have happened.
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And I'm not trying to sound smug or act like a "know it all," but there's a lot more that goes into these awards than just a black and white, paint by the numbers approach. They're going to consider context; as in Luis Robert was left in no man's land in the 7th spot in the lineup with no protection so he didn't see any "good" pitches, the fact that he was playing on a team in contention for a division and league pennant, and I don't think anyone could argue that the AL West was light in terms of playing competitive teams in the AL and NL West in comparison to the AL Central playing their own division and the NL Central.
Almost everyone uses Fangraphs over Bref WAR, it is by far the more accepted of the two.
And no, voters aren't going to consider the freaking batting order, and be like "Oh he hit 7th, lets give him the award." and the whole team success thing is a relic of the past, it doesn't matter that Seattle wasn't going to make the playoffs.
I don't mean to sound snippy or rude, but you are reaching pretty hard here, let's not overthink it, the voters sure don't.
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I love the batting order justification, like Kyle Lewis was getting a lot of protection from the bums the Mariners have hitting behind him.
Fun fact, for the entire month of September Robert had the third lowest OBP in all of Major League Baseball.
He better be elite at defense because he surely isn’t elite at offense.
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@eatyum said in Luis Robert:
And I'm not trying to sound smug or act like a "know it all," but there's a lot more that goes into these awards than just a black and white, paint by the numbers approach. They're going to consider context; as in Luis Robert was left in no man's land in the 7th spot in the lineup with no protection so he didn't see any "good" pitches, the fact that he was playing on a team in contention for a division and league pennant, and I don't think anyone could argue that the AL West was light in terms of playing competitive teams in the AL and NL West in comparison to the AL Central playing their own division and the NL Central.
Almost everyone uses Fangraphs over Bref WAR, it is by far the more accepted of the two.
And no, voters aren't going to consider the freaking batting order, and be like "Oh he hit 7th, lets give him the award." and the whole team success thing is a relic of the past, it doesn't matter that Seattle wasn't going to make the playoffs.
You're probably right about Fangraphs. I don't know, I've always like BaseballReference.
... and I guess we'll just have to see. I do think they consider some of those things. Obviously I'm not taking away from Kyle Lewis' season he had, it was great. I'm just saying if we're looking at the whole picture and not just statistics in a vacuum, I would have to think Robert should win by a large margin considering he was among the top defensive players in all of baseball and prior to an easy to see why it happened drought, Robert was putting up excellent offensive production, too.
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@BodamEscapePlan said in Luis Robert:
@eatyum said in Luis Robert:
And I'm not trying to sound smug or act like a "know it all," but there's a lot more that goes into these awards than just a black and white, paint by the numbers approach. They're going to consider context; as in Luis Robert was left in no man's land in the 7th spot in the lineup with no protection so he didn't see any "good" pitches, the fact that he was playing on a team in contention for a division and league pennant, and I don't think anyone could argue that the AL West was light in terms of playing competitive teams in the AL and NL West in comparison to the AL Central playing their own division and the NL Central.
Almost everyone uses Fangraphs over Bref WAR, it is by far the more accepted of the two.
And no, voters aren't going to consider the freaking batting order, and be like "Oh he hit 7th, lets give him the award." and the whole team success thing is a relic of the past, it doesn't matter that Seattle wasn't going to make the playoffs.
You're probably right about Fangraphs. I don't know, I've always like BaseballReference.
... and I guess we'll just have to see. I do think they consider some of those things. Obviously I'm not taking away from Kyle Lewis' season he had, it was great. I'm just saying if we're looking at the whole picture and not just statistics in a vacuum, I would have to think Robert should win by a large margin considering he was among the top defensive players in all of baseball and prior to an easy to see why it happened drought, Robert was putting up excellent offensive production, too.
There are droughts and then there is hitting .085 for more than 1/3 of the season.
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@DBBG1515 said in Luis Robert:
I love the batting order justification, like Kyle Lewis was getting a lot of protection from the bums the Mariners have hitting behind him.
Fun fact, for the entire month of September Robert had the third lowest OBP in all of Major League Baseball.
He better be elite at defense because he surely isn’t elite at offense.
I wouldn't exactly call Kyle Lewis' September scorching hot either. Robert's offensive numbers were horrid but he was providing elite defense in CF, while Mariners wunderkid, Kyle Lewis was killing it with a .147 batting average and a white-hot .550 OPS.
I think this argument should die here.
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@DBBG1515 said in Luis Robert:
@BodamEscapePlan said in Luis Robert:
@eatyum said in Luis Robert:
And I'm not trying to sound smug or act like a "know it all," but there's a lot more that goes into these awards than just a black and white, paint by the numbers approach. They're going to consider context; as in Luis Robert was left in no man's land in the 7th spot in the lineup with no protection so he didn't see any "good" pitches, the fact that he was playing on a team in contention for a division and league pennant, and I don't think anyone could argue that the AL West was light in terms of playing competitive teams in the AL and NL West in comparison to the AL Central playing their own division and the NL Central.
Almost everyone uses Fangraphs over Bref WAR, it is by far the more accepted of the two.
And no, voters aren't going to consider the freaking batting order, and be like "Oh he hit 7th, lets give him the award." and the whole team success thing is a relic of the past, it doesn't matter that Seattle wasn't going to make the playoffs.
You're probably right about Fangraphs. I don't know, I've always like BaseballReference.
... and I guess we'll just have to see. I do think they consider some of those things. Obviously I'm not taking away from Kyle Lewis' season he had, it was great. I'm just saying if we're looking at the whole picture and not just statistics in a vacuum, I would have to think Robert should win by a large margin considering he was among the top defensive players in all of baseball and prior to an easy to see why it happened drought, Robert was putting up excellent offensive production, too.
There are droughts and then there is hitting .085 for more than 1/3 of the season.
But as we all saw in the playoffs, you get him away from that 7th spot in the lineup and actually get some protection for the young man and he's excellent. I don't know about you, but I like a little context with my numbers.
