Roberto Alomar
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
Not to me. I know they didn't make any guarantees about power numbers, but in my opinion and experience, the difference between 77 power and 80 power is like silver fielding and gold fielding; the difference isn't groundbreaking, but it's noticable.
I'll use Ben Zobrist as an example. Dude absolutely mashes, while a card like Jackie Robinson or J-Roll is a deep flyout machine.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
Even if it was a thing, it stopped being a thing a week into the game. A player can be good without hitting home runs. Anyway.
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@CDNMoneyMaker93 said in Roberto Alomar:
I'm sad and happy about this
I'm sad that Robbie will not get a high overall Jays card this year (they could always add a 92-95 AS or PS card but unlikely)
I'm happy because I used Robbie all last year so I'm ok finding someone else to man 2B to mix things up.
buddy get your CAP maxed trust me
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@TheHungryHole said in Roberto Alomar:
@CDNMoneyMaker93 said in Roberto Alomar:
I'm sad and happy about this
I'm sad that Robbie will not get a high overall Jays card this year (they could always add a 92-95 AS or PS card but unlikely)
I'm happy because I used Robbie all last year so I'm ok finding someone else to man 2B to mix things up.
buddy get your CAP maxed trust me
Personally not a fan of CAP but that's more because I play events more the RS so never really worked on the CAP.
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Will he be better than HRD Robinson Cano? I have Prime Ben Zobrist on the bench already, too.
But Signature Series Roberto Alomar was probably my second or third best hitter behind Frank Thomas and Cody Bellinger.
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I just saved 700K stubs. Can't make a sub 80s power / 90 reaction middle infielder and expect me to bite.
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Yep the CAP wins
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@CDNMoneyMaker93 said in Roberto Alomar:
@TheHungryHole said in Roberto Alomar:
@CDNMoneyMaker93 said in Roberto Alomar:
I'm sad and happy about this
I'm sad that Robbie will not get a high overall Jays card this year (they could always add a 92-95 AS or PS card but unlikely)
I'm happy because I used Robbie all last year so I'm ok finding someone else to man 2B to mix things up.
buddy get your CAP maxed trust me
Personally not a fan of CAP but that's more because I play events more the RS so never really worked on the CAP.
i hear you completely.... i have my CAP at 2nd base maxed out he plays phenomenal in RS
just a poor mans flawless alomar you know what i mean?
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
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@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
@GradektheBard said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
@GradektheBard said in Roberto Alomar:
Unless they completely separate this card from reality, it won’t have 80+ power though. What made Alomar amazing in 17 was the 99 scale that kept his power reasonable (and very few other decent options at 2b). I see this card as a second base clone of Rollins without the ability to prestige.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say he'll have 85ish power versus righties and 80-83 versus lefties. 125 contact vs righties, 105 vs lefties.
His power splits are almost identical to Rollins MVP year. I don’t see how they could give Alomar 80 power based on his 1999 gold glove season.
Well they gave him mid 80s power on the 99 scale back in 17. If you translate that to the 125 scale he would have 100 power. But we both know that's not happening, I think the numbers I mentioned are very reasonable but I guess we'll find out.
Just coming on to gloat a bit that I called it. Essentially Rollins at 2b
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@GradektheBard said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
@GradektheBard said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
@GradektheBard said in Roberto Alomar:
Unless they completely separate this card from reality, it won’t have 80+ power though. What made Alomar amazing in 17 was the 99 scale that kept his power reasonable (and very few other decent options at 2b). I see this card as a second base clone of Rollins without the ability to prestige.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say he'll have 85ish power versus righties and 80-83 versus lefties. 125 contact vs righties, 105 vs lefties.
His power splits are almost identical to Rollins MVP year. I don’t see how they could give Alomar 80 power based on his 1999 gold glove season.
Well they gave him mid 80s power on the 99 scale back in 17. If you translate that to the 125 scale he would have 100 power. But we both know that's not happening, I think the numbers I mentioned are very reasonable but I guess we'll find out.
Just coming on to gloat a bit that I called it. Essentially Rollins at 2b
For sure. I'm disappointed with his contact numbers as well not gonna lie. This card turned out to be an easy pass for me.
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@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
Swing type is the most important thing about a card IMO. If Ripken had 125 across the board for hitting he would still be garbage. Alomar has a practically identical swing to Mondesi, who is universally accepted as a phenomenal swing. I’m using Hornsby at 2nd myself but thats because I’m not going to shell out 500k on a card not named Jimmie Foxx. By no means am I justifying Alomar’s price tag, but I just think the 80 power threshold is a load of garbage. Rollins doesn’t have 80 power until prestiged and he is probably 1a and 1b with Banks as best non-CAP shortstop in the game
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
Swing type is the most important thing about a card IMO. If Ripken had 125 across the board for hitting he would still be garbage. Alomar has a practically identical swing to Mondesi, who is universally accepted as a phenomenal swing. I’m using Hornsby at 2nd myself but thats because I’m not going to shell out 500k on a card not named Jimmie Foxx. By no means am I justifying Alomar’s price tag, but I just think the 80 power threshold is a load of garbage. Rollins doesn’t have 80 power until prestiged and he is probably 1a and 1b with Banks as best non-CAP shortstop in the game
I don't think you'll find a sane person here defending Ripken's swing...that's a universal agreement but an extreme example. Relative to second basemen which is where Alomar will be playing, I'd much rather Hornsby, whether Alomar plays up or not. I'm sacrificing defense but so is the person who picks Banks over Jroll.
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@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
Swing type is the most important thing about a card IMO. If Ripken had 125 across the board for hitting he would still be garbage. Alomar has a practically identical swing to Mondesi, who is universally accepted as a phenomenal swing. I’m using Hornsby at 2nd myself but thats because I’m not going to shell out 500k on a card not named Jimmie Foxx. By no means am I justifying Alomar’s price tag, but I just think the 80 power threshold is a load of garbage. Rollins doesn’t have 80 power until prestiged and he is probably 1a and 1b with Banks as best non-CAP shortstop in the game
I don't think you'll find a sane person here defending Ripken's swing...that's a universal agreement but an extreme example. Relative to second basemen which is where Alomar will be playing, I'd much rather Hornsby, whether Alomar plays up or not. I'm sacrificing defense but so is the person who picks Banks over Jroll.
Which is fine, because Hornsby is still very good and much cheaper. I just think its ridiculous that people that were willing to break the bank for Alomar 6 hours ago now aren’t going to because he doesn’t have 80 power. They just want an excuse to save their stubs
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
Swing type is the most important thing about a card IMO. If Ripken had 125 across the board for hitting he would still be garbage. Alomar has a practically identical swing to Mondesi, who is universally accepted as a phenomenal swing. I’m using Hornsby at 2nd myself but thats because I’m not going to shell out 500k on a card not named Jimmie Foxx. By no means am I justifying Alomar’s price tag, but I just think the 80 power threshold is a load of garbage. Rollins doesn’t have 80 power until prestiged and he is probably 1a and 1b with Banks as best non-CAP shortstop in the game
I don't think you'll find a sane person here defending Ripken's swing...that's a universal agreement but an extreme example. Relative to second basemen which is where Alomar will be playing, I'd much rather Hornsby, whether Alomar plays up or not. I'm sacrificing defense but so is the person who picks Banks over Jroll.
Which is fine, because Hornsby is still very good and much cheaper. I just think its ridiculous that people that were willing to break the bank for Alomar 6 hours ago now aren’t going to because he doesn’t have 80 power. They just want an excuse to save their stubs
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@allmustfall16 said in Roberto Alomar:
@OreoRockstar said in Roberto Alomar:
Is around 500k where you expect Alomar to settle, similar to Donaldson and Feller?
I think he’s going to be much more than that.
Not with power in the 80s (if he even gets that much) he won’t.
Yes he will go for that much. when people say “the outfield is already loaded why do we need another outfielder” or “this card won’t make my bench” every content drop, it is because they are waiting on Alomar. With the exception of MLB the dumpster fire 18, Alomar has been a top 5 card in the game every other year.
I can see that you’re a big Alomar fan, but guess what- 108/78 and 118/77 isn’t going to cut it lol.
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@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@allmustfall16 said in Roberto Alomar:
@OreoRockstar said in Roberto Alomar:
Is around 500k where you expect Alomar to settle, similar to Donaldson and Feller?
I think he’s going to be much more than that.
Not with power in the 80s (if he even gets that much) he won’t.
Yes he will go for that much. when people say “the outfield is already loaded why do we need another outfielder” or “this card won’t make my bench” every content drop, it is because they are waiting on Alomar. With the exception of MLB the dumpster fire 18, Alomar has been a top 5 card in the game every other year.
I can see that you’re a big Alomar fan, but guess what- 108/78 and 118/77 isn’t going to cut it lol.
And if it was 108/80 and 118/80 it would? I promise you if this card was an inning boss again(which I know he wasn’t going to be), you wouldn’t see anyone else at 2B all year. Not once have I justified that his price tag will be worth it.
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So we can surmise Alomar is a bust this year for the price, but that Wagner card
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@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
Swing type is the most important thing about a card IMO. If Ripken had 125 across the board for hitting he would still be garbage. Alomar has a practically identical swing to Mondesi, who is universally accepted as a phenomenal swing. I’m using Hornsby at 2nd myself but thats because I’m not going to shell out 500k on a card not named Jimmie Foxx. By no means am I justifying Alomar’s price tag, but I just think the 80 power threshold is a load of garbage. Rollins doesn’t have 80 power until prestiged and he is probably 1a and 1b with Banks as best non-CAP shortstop in the game
I don't think you'll find a sane person here defending Ripken's swing...that's a universal agreement but an extreme example. Relative to second basemen which is where Alomar will be playing, I'd much rather Hornsby, whether Alomar plays up or not. I'm sacrificing defense but so is the person who picks Banks over Jroll.
I agree, definitely sticking with Hornsby. The defense is kinda meh but the bat is unmatched.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@allmustfall16 said in Roberto Alomar:
@OreoRockstar said in Roberto Alomar:
Is around 500k where you expect Alomar to settle, similar to Donaldson and Feller?
I think he’s going to be much more than that.
Not with power in the 80s (if he even gets that much) he won’t.
Yes he will go for that much. when people say “the outfield is already loaded why do we need another outfielder” or “this card won’t make my bench” every content drop, it is because they are waiting on Alomar. With the exception of MLB the dumpster fire 18, Alomar has been a top 5 card in the game every other year.
I can see that you’re a big Alomar fan, but guess what- 108/78 and 118/77 isn’t going to cut it lol.
And if it was 108/80 and 118/80 it would? I promise you if this card was an inning boss again(which I know he wasn’t going to be), you wouldn’t see anyone else at 2B all year. Not once have I justified that his price tag will be worth it.
No, but 85+ on power both sides he would enter the conversation. Contrary to popular belief, this game plays differently year in and year out. So basing your experience on the previous years means nothing with the card, we have wayyyy more options this year at 2B. He’s just not going to cut it for that price in 20
