This community needs to come together to make this game playable online

I remember "back in the day" when Vick was unstoppable on Madden. It was literally an unspoken rule that you didn't pick the Falcons because using Vick was so cheesy and OP.

I think, as a community, we need to do something like that for some of the cheesy aspects of this game. Like, just agree we aren't going to spam high sinkers even though SDS can't figure out that high sinkers don't break like that. Maybe agree not to have everyone make a switch hitting Barry Bonds as their CAP (seriously, if you want to play as yourself, go play Road to the Show. That's what it's there for).

I just love baseball so much. And while the lineouts and sheer randomness of the hitting AND pitching is frustrating, it's also frustrating to have complete games dictated by things like high sinkers that just aren't a thing in real baseball.

I admire the enthusiasm, but that will never happen, unfortunately, for one most people that play the game don't come onto forums like this one.

Second, it's too ingrained into how people play. People that bunt cheese over and over, Hold R2, bunt dance, don't care about making things fun.

@xiamjumpman23x your talking to the wrong generation my man lol the majority of the people who do some of that weren’t old enough to play a madden game with Vick in it. Your dealing with an entire generation that grew up on social media, everyone gets a trophy, instant gratification, and not having to work hard to get something. All they care about is themselves and Getting what they want. Perfect example is id say 70-80% of people under 20 don’t hold doors open for people anymore (before COVID-19) and that same group if someone holds the door open for them they don’t even acknowledge It with a thank you or nod of the head in appreciation just walk right by like the persons invisible. Literally something that takes 5 seconds out of your day to be kind to someone else is too much for them. Don’t lose your optimism though!

@xIAmJumpMan23x said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

I remember "back in the day" when Vick was unstoppable on Madden. It was literally an unspoken rule that you didn't pick the Falcons because using Vick was so cheesy and OP.

I think, as a community, we need to do something like that for some of the cheesy aspects of this game. Like, just agree we aren't going to spam high sinkers even though SDS can't figure out that high sinkers don't break like that. Maybe agree not to have everyone make a switch hitting Barry Bonds as their CAP (seriously, if you want to play as yourself, go play Road to the Show. That's what it's there for).

I just love baseball so much. And while the lineouts and sheer randomness of the hitting AND pitching is frustrating, it's also frustrating to have complete games dictated by things like high sinkers that just aren't a thing in real baseball.

If we coming together let’s acknowledge first and foremost not everyone is gonna agree with what you said.EX: I enjoy CAP just for the reason I make players that they don’t have the rights to.

I think there are levels to it. For instance, exploiting broken game mechanics is a different level of cheese than making a CAP. I make an Office character as my CAP every year, and I love doing so. Better cards come out eventually to replace a CAP anyways.

I agree with the principle. I try to be the type of opponent I'd want to face. With the garbage nature of humans in 2020 under the shroud of the internet, I feel like not many people I face try to do the same.

Everyone needs to come together to not buy 21 and stop buying stubs

@PoopsyMcDoodle said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

Everyone needs to come together to not buy 21 and stop buying stubs

No thanks, I'll continue buying the game, it isn't perfect, far from it, but I still enjoy playing it, so I'll still continue supporting it. + Some parts of the community is really awesome, and leagues are pretty fun.

I like my cheese balling 99 overall Adam Cimber.

I like my cheese balling 99 overall Adam Cimber.

@PoopsyMcDoodle said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

Everyone needs to come together to not buy 21 and stop buying stubs

Too many youtubers and twitch streamers that make a living off of the show. It’s why madden is the way it is.

“Wahhh the game is trash”, screaming this while they spend hundreds of dollars on packs every week.

@xIAmJumpMan23x said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

I remember "back in the day" when Vick was unstoppable on Madden. It was literally an unspoken rule that you didn't pick the Falcons because using Vick was so cheesy and OP.

I think, as a community, we need to do something like that for some of the cheesy aspects of this game. Like, just agree we aren't going to spam high sinkers even though SDS can't figure out that high sinkers don't break like that. Maybe agree not to have everyone make a switch hitting Barry Bonds as their CAP (seriously, if you want to play as yourself, go play Road to the Show. That's what it's there for).

I just love baseball so much. And while the lineouts and sheer randomness of the hitting AND pitching is frustrating, it's also frustrating to have complete games dictated by things like high sinkers that just aren't a thing in real baseball.

your subject thread title is completely misleading - this community DOES play online together, the definition of "coming together" already exists just fine

I love playing people who spam high sinkers. It drops right into my PCI.

At this point I don’t really think the high sinker is a problem. It is generally kluber, hershiser and maybe Maddux that can throw it with decent control. When I face those guys I sit sinker and react to anything else. Hershiser is probably the easiest of the three because he doesn’t have a fastball and the other two really can’t throw a fastball by anyone. I find if you crush a few high sinkers they stop throwing that and then have nothing else they can do. The people who only spam the high sinker tend not to be very good so once you hit that they are pretty much done.

@pfcorporate said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

At this point I don’t really think the high sinker is a problem. It is generally kluber, hershiser and maybe Maddux that can throw it with decent control. When I face those guys I sit sinker and react to anything else. Hershiser is probably the easiest of the three because he doesn’t have a fastball and the other two really can’t throw a fastball by anyone. I find if you crush a few high sinkers they stop throwing that and then have nothing else they can do. The people who only spam the high sinker tend not to be very good so once you hit that they are pretty much done.

Yup, spamming any pitch is just a bad idea, but what makes high sinker effective is when people think its 4 seam and it drops unrealistically. To me, i dont get mad, its just a way to keep your opponent off balance. Like throwing a high chane up or high curve, not good real life practice, but very hard to adjust to. I prefer to use the sinker up as more of the horizontal movement to jam hitter or break away, it's why Orel is so good.

Man I heard the game was unplayable so I tried to play it, was in the ranked seasons screen where you press options to search for a game, it took me to the stadium select screen, I was huh ok that's not where the game stops working and becoming unplayable, we'll see what happens the rest of the way. Sure enough after pressing X it started searching for a game, I thought maybe I wouldn't be able to find an opponent and that's where the unplayability would come in, nope I was able to find an opponent rather quickly, took me to the pitcher select screen, selected my pitcher, went to the lineup screen I looked it over thinking how lucky I am to have made it this far. Surely I would not be able to make it further and the unplayability would happen if I pressed the options button to try and start the game surely it would crash. Too my surprise I was able to get into a game! I've been so blessed at this point I couldn't control my excitement, I was in a game it was playable, it showed mine and my opponents lineups and all of a sudden the screen went black... I thought oh no this is it, this is where the game crashes and becomes "unplayable" but what do you know it was just a transition screen and mine and my opponents records popped up and we were able to play a nice game against each other. So blessed to have been able to play the game while expecting it to crash the entire time rendering the game "unplayable"

@The_Canuckler said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

Man I heard the game was unplayable so I tried to play it, was in the ranked seasons screen where you press options to search for a game, it took me to the stadium select screen, I was huh ok that's not where the game stops working and becoming unplayable, we'll see what happens the rest of the way. Sure enough after pressing X it started searching for a game, I thought maybe I wouldn't be able to find an opponent and that's where the unplayability would come in, nope I was able to find an opponent rather quickly, took me to the pitcher select screen, selected my pitcher, went to the lineup screen I looked it over thinking how lucky I am to have made it this far. Surely I would not be able to make it further and the unplayability would happen if I pressed the options button to try and start the game surely it would crash. Too my surprise I was able to get into a game! I've been so blessed at this point I couldn't control my excitement, I was in a game it was playable, it showed mine and my opponents lineups and all of a sudden the screen went black... I thought oh no this is it, this is where the game crashes and becomes "unplayable" but what do you know it was just a transition screen and mine and my opponents records popped up and we were able to play a nice game against each other. So blessed to have been able to play the game while expecting it to crash the entire time rendering the game "unplayable"

lol

@CCCStunna30 said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

@xiamjumpman23x your talking to the wrong generation my man lol the majority of the people who do some of that weren’t old enough to play a madden game with Vick in it. Your dealing with an entire generation that grew up on social media, everyone gets a trophy, instant gratification, and not having to work hard to get something. All they care about is themselves and Getting what they want. Perfect example is id say 70-80% of people under 20 don’t hold doors open for people anymore (before COVID-19) and that same group if someone holds the door open for them they don’t even acknowledge It with a thank you or nod of the head in appreciation just walk right by like the persons invisible. Literally something that takes 5 seconds out of your day to be kind to someone else is too much for them. Don’t lose your optimism though!

I live in the country where kids still have respect. Lol out where there is corn and mule deer as far as the eye can see. And they would still play cheesey lol

@CCCStunna30 said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

@xiamjumpman23x your talking to the wrong generation my man lol the majority of the people who do some of that weren’t old enough to play a madden game with Vick in it. Your dealing with an entire generation that grew up on social media, everyone gets a trophy, instant gratification, and not having to work hard to get something. All they care about is themselves and Getting what they want. Perfect example is id say 70-80% of people under 20 don’t hold doors open for people anymore (before COVID-19) and that same group if someone holds the door open for them they don’t even acknowledge It with a thank you or nod of the head in appreciation just walk right by like the persons invisible. Literally something that takes 5 seconds out of your day to be kind to someone else is too much for them. Don’t lose your optimism though!

OK sure, but the kids didn't give themselves the trophies. So if you're their parents age, complaining about trophies is your generations fault.

I work with kids age 5-18. We in my profession teach manors, we don't give out "awards" unless they are earned, and we hold these kids to high standards.

Have an issue with how they turned out? Look to the source of their learned behaviors, stop blaming children for how they were raised and taught.

@xIAmJumpMan23x said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

I remember "back in the day" when Vick was unstoppable on Madden. It was literally an unspoken rule that you didn't pick the Falcons because using Vick was so cheesy and OP.

I think, as a community, we need to do something like that for some of the cheesy aspects of this game. Like, just agree we aren't going to spam high sinkers even though SDS can't figure out that high sinkers don't break like that. Maybe agree not to have everyone make a switch hitting Barry Bonds as their CAP (seriously, if you want to play as yourself, go play Road to the Show. That's what it's there for).

I just love baseball so much. And while the lineouts and sheer randomness of the hitting AND pitching is frustrating, it's also frustrating to have complete games dictated by things like high sinkers that just aren't a thing in real baseball.

I hear that. My other thought was let’s say I have a routine grounder to center which should be a single but my outfielder glitches out and runs right past it and gives up a home run. I debate if it would be cool if anytime that happened everyone just stayed at first. But also, so much RNG and glitchy things happen that when it happens to me I feel like I’ve earned it for all the cheese I’ve gone through

High sinkers are the only way to consistently get strikeouts.

@lucas8181 said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

OK sure, but the kids didn't give themselves the trophies. So if you're their parents age, complaining about trophies is your generations fault.

I work with kids age 5-18. We in my profession teach manors, we don't give out "awards" unless they are earned, and we hold these kids to high standards.

Have an issue with how they turned out? Look to the source of their learned behaviors, stop blaming children for how they were raised and taught.

So first off I agree it’s the parents that are the main cause of it. I’m 29 but was raised by parents that were born in the 50s so I’m a rare bread of being younger with older parents and my grandparents were depression era children, meaning I grew up with old school values.

I have coached the last 6 years in high school and college and worked first hand with this generation and can say that a majority of this group lack the drive and fire to work hard to earn things and this has become a major issue because we have been learning that many of these kids are afraid to fail giving their best. They would rather give 80% effort and fail to be able to create an excuse that oh I would of been able to win If I did this or work a little harder, basically creating an emotional safety net for themselves if they fail.

I commend you for holding kids to standards, but within that, the demographic you are working with can have a great effect on your teachings. If your working with kids at a private facility, its going to be different than working at a public one. Same goes for region, if you work in a small town it’s gonna be different than a major city.

And your mentality of blame the parents for their learned behaviors has some merit, but at some point that just adds to the excuses they can use for their mistakes and behavior. You wouldn’t be ok with giving a 15 year old homework and him replying “my parents think homework is a waste so I don’t need to do it” and you being oh that’s ok then it’s your parents fault you don’t do it and not yours. At a certain age, I’d say 13-14, you have to start taking responsibility for your own actions and learn about cause and effect, that’s where this generation is really lacking.

@CCCStunna30 said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

@lucas8181 said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

OK sure, but the kids didn't give themselves the trophies. So if you're their parents age, complaining about trophies is your generations fault.

I work with kids age 5-18. We in my profession teach manors, we don't give out "awards" unless they are earned, and we hold these kids to high standards.

Have an issue with how they turned out? Look to the source of their learned behaviors, stop blaming children for how they were raised and taught.

So first off I agree it’s the parents that are the main cause of it. I’m 29 but was raised by parents that were born in the 50s so I’m a rare bread of being younger with older parents and my grandparents were depression era children, meaning I grew up with old school values.

I have coached the last 6 years in high school and college and worked first hand with this generation and can say that a majority of this group lack the drive and fire to work hard to earn things and this has become a major issue because we have been learning that many of these kids are afraid to fail giving their best. They would rather give 80% effort and fail to be able to create an excuse that oh I would of been able to win If I did this or work a little harder, basically creating an emotional safety net for themselves if they fail.

I commend you for holding kids to standards, but within that, the demographic you are working with can have a great effect on your teachings. If your working with kids at a private facility, its going to be different than working at a public one. Same goes for region, if you work in a small town it’s gonna be different than a major city.

And your mentality of blame the parents for their learned behaviors has some merit, but at some point that just adds to the excuses they can use for their mistakes and behavior. You wouldn’t be ok with giving a 15 year old homework and him replying “my parents think homework is a waste so I don’t need to do it” and you being oh that’s ok then it’s your parents fault you don’t do it and not yours. At a certain age, I’d say 13-14, you have to start taking responsibility for your own actions and learn about cause and effect, that’s where this generation is really lacking.

I believe I addressed all of that when I said we hold the kids to high standards and only give praise when it's earned, we agree completely. I coach as well as teach, but I'm a decade older than you, I grew up in that weird time when internet and cell phones didn't show up until HS, but most of us couldn't afford any of that until college graduation.

And we are all gonna all stop using mobile hotspot WiFi so connections arent crud?

@lucas8181

I believe I addressed all of that when I said we hold the kids to high standards and only give praise when it's earned, we agree completely. I coach as well as teach, but I'm a decade older than you, I grew up in that weird time when internet and cell phones didn't show up until HS, but most of us couldn't afford any of that until college graduation.

I agree we agree on it lol Just thought your reply was more about giving the kids an excuse for their behavior by blaming their parents. I like how you do hold the kids to high standards and think that should be the norm. My mom has taught for over 30 years and we’ve talked about how one of the biggest things that’s changed in teaching is that parents no longer back their teachers. They would rather believe what their 10 year old is saying than an adult. I.e. why did little Jonny get suspended, well he was standing on his desk throwing items at other students. Well I know my child and he wouldn’t do that, what did you or the other students do to make him do that? Nothing, told him he needed to focus on doing his work and to please stop bothering the student next to him. Well he says you are picking on him and I believe him so what he did was justified and he shouldn’t get suspended. Ya real stuff there lol

@CCCStunna30 said in This community needs to come together to make this game playable online:

@lucas8181

I believe I addressed all of that when I said we hold the kids to high standards and only give praise when it's earned, we agree completely. I coach as well as teach, but I'm a decade older than you, I grew up in that weird time when internet and cell phones didn't show up until HS, but most of us couldn't afford any of that until college graduation.

I agree we agree on it lol Just thought your reply was more about giving the kids an excuse for their behavior by blaming their parents. I like how you do hold the kids to high standards and think that should be the norm. My mom has taught for over 30 years and we’ve talked about how one of the biggest things that’s changed in teaching is that parents no longer back their teachers. They would rather believe what their 10 year old is saying than an adult. I.e. why did little Jonny get suspended, well he was standing on his desk throwing items at other students. Well I know my child and he wouldn’t do that, what did you or the other students do to make him do that? Nothing, told him he needed to focus on doing his work and to please stop bothering the student next to him. Well he says you are picking on him and I believe him so what he did was justified and he shouldn’t get suspended. Ya real stuff there lol

If only I could share all the text messages and emails I've received in my career...scratch that....last year....scratch that....this week.

It's never ending. You smile and move forward. Your mom is 100% correct.