Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?
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@DanTheThriller said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
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@JustASeal0 said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
I was talking about close relative to other players because Mookie is pretty far and away the #2 best player in baseball at this moment
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@DanTheThriller said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
@Therealest_JB said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
Yelich and Bellinger are both better then Judge
Better at bad defense, not getting on base, and not hitting for power?
Yes.
Check those stats again buddy. 2017 was years ago homie, Judge is not a 3 OF coming into this year.
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@Therealest_JB said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
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@Therealest_JB said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
Yelich and Bellinger are both better then Judge
Better at bad defense, not getting on base, and not hitting for power?
Yes.
Check those stats again buddy. 2017 was years ago homie, Judge is not a 3 OF coming into this year.
From 2017 to 2019 was "years ago?"
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@DanTheThriller said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
@Therealest_JB said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
@DanTheThriller said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
@Therealest_JB said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
Yelich and Bellinger are both better then Judge
Better at bad defense, not getting on base, and not hitting for power?
Yes.
Check those stats again buddy. 2017 was years ago homie, Judge is not a 3 OF coming into this year.
From 2017 to 2019 was "years ago?"
Technically 2 is plural, so yeah. Years ago.
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@KierannosaurusK said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
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@JustASeal0 said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
Yeah. But Trout's best season is 10.5 WAR. Judge had 8.1 WAR his rookie year while slumping due to a shoulder injury. Without that, his WAR is closer to 11-12.
He has to stay healthy and get a fair zone: the latter is killing his OBP, yet his OBP is always near the league lead.
Again, they call low strikes on him 100% more often than the league average: that's an insane gap.
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@raesONE said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
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@Therealest_JB said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
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@Therealest_JB said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
Yelich and Bellinger are both better then Judge
Better at bad defense, not getting on base, and not hitting for power?
Yes.
Check those stats again buddy. 2017 was years ago homie, Judge is not a 3 OF coming into this year.
From 2017 to 2019 was "years ago?"
Technically 2 is plural, so yeah. Years ago.
But 2017-2019 includes 2019, which was last year; consequently, the period I am noting was actually "months ago."
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I'm enjoying everyone trying to argue with this kid like they're going to present the magic bullet of information that will get him to admit Judge is not better than Trout.
Continue feeding the troll if you must, I'm headed to microwave the popcorn...
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
I was talking about close relative to other players because Mookie is pretty far and away the #2 best player in baseball at this moment
At the moment far and away the #2 best....no. You could easily and I mean easily argue that Bellinger and Yelich are equal if not better than Betts and after the season Ketel had...he is up there in top 5.
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
I was talking about close relative to other players because Mookie is pretty far and away the #2 best player in baseball at this moment
At the moment far and away the #2 best....no. You could easily and I mean easily argue that Bellinger and Yelich are equal if not better than Betts and after the season Ketel had...he is up there in top 5.
Betts had a "down" season that was almost as valuable as Bellinger and Yelich's. Marte has had one good year now. It's a pretty crazy notion to think any of those 3 have been better than Betts in even a 2 year time period
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
I was talking about close relative to other players because Mookie is pretty far and away the #2 best player in baseball at this moment
At the moment far and away the #2 best....no. You could easily and I mean easily argue that Bellinger and Yelich are equal if not better than Betts and after the season Ketel had...he is up there in top 5.
Betts had a "down" season that was almost as valuable as Bellinger and Yelich's. Marte has had one good year now. It's a pretty crazy notion to think any of those 3 have been better than Betts in even a 2 year time period
Did you just say he had a "down" season.....He had an average season for what he has put up in the 5 years prior....definitely not below it. Bellinger is 23 and coming into his prime and well Yelich..he has shown what he can do. Marte was a stretch but I was going off his 2019 campaign. To say Mookie is far better than everyone except Trout is idiotic. I was just talking outfielders.
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
I was talking about close relative to other players because Mookie is pretty far and away the #2 best player in baseball at this moment
At the moment far and away the #2 best....no. You could easily and I mean easily argue that Bellinger and Yelich are equal if not better than Betts and after the season Ketel had...he is up there in top 5.
Betts had a "down" season that was almost as valuable as Bellinger and Yelich's. Marte has had one good year now. It's a pretty crazy notion to think any of those 3 have been better than Betts in even a 2 year time period
Did you just say he had a "down" season.....He had an average season for what he has put up in the 5 years prior....definitely not below it. Bellinger is 23 and coming into his prime and well Yelich..he has shown what he can do. Marte was a stretch but I was going off his 2019 campaign. To say Mookie is far better than everyone except Trout is idiotic. I was just talking outfielders.
You missed the entire reason that it was in quotes lmao, a lot of people called it a down season
Mookie has been plain better than the other players listed, his 2018 was offensively better than Yelich's 2019, he's been far and away defensively better than everyone listed by you, I can't believe this is even a debate for some people. A 10.7 fWAR season hasn't come anywhere near happening for any outfielder currently other than Trout, Harper, and Betts
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
I was talking about close relative to other players because Mookie is pretty far and away the #2 best player in baseball at this moment
At the moment far and away the #2 best....no. You could easily and I mean easily argue that Bellinger and Yelich are equal if not better than Betts and after the season Ketel had...he is up there in top 5.
Betts had a "down" season that was almost as valuable as Bellinger and Yelich's. Marte has had one good year now. It's a pretty crazy notion to think any of those 3 have been better than Betts in even a 2 year time period
Did you just say he had a "down" season.....He had an average season for what he has put up in the 5 years prior....definitely not below it. Bellinger is 23 and coming into his prime and well Yelich..he has shown what he can do. Marte was a stretch but I was going off his 2019 campaign. To say Mookie is far better than everyone except Trout is idiotic. I was just talking outfielders.
You missed the entire reason that it was in quotes lmao, a lot of people called it a down season
Mookie has been plain better than the other players listed, his 2018 was offensively better than Yelich's 2019, he's been far and away defensively better than everyone listed by you, I can't believe this is even a debate for some people. A 10.7 fWAR season hasn't come anywhere near happening for any outfielder currently other than Trout, Harper, and Betts
And Judge.
Judge had an 8.3 fWAR in 2017, despite voters saying that he "disappeared for 2 months" with a shoulder injury that required postseason surgery.
By the voter's logic, a healthy Judge would have put up 12.45 fWAR.
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
I was talking about close relative to other players because Mookie is pretty far and away the #2 best player in baseball at this moment
At the moment far and away the #2 best....no. You could easily and I mean easily argue that Bellinger and Yelich are equal if not better than Betts and after the season Ketel had...he is up there in top 5.
Betts had a "down" season that was almost as valuable as Bellinger and Yelich's. Marte has had one good year now. It's a pretty crazy notion to think any of those 3 have been better than Betts in even a 2 year time period
Did you just say he had a "down" season.....He had an average season for what he has put up in the 5 years prior....definitely not below it. Bellinger is 23 and coming into his prime and well Yelich..he has shown what he can do. Marte was a stretch but I was going off his 2019 campaign. To say Mookie is far better than everyone except Trout is idiotic. I was just talking outfielders.
You missed the entire reason that it was in quotes lmao, a lot of people called it a down season
Mookie has been plain better than the other players listed, his 2018 was offensively better than Yelich's 2019, he's been far and away defensively better than everyone listed by you, I can't believe this is even a debate for some people. A 10.7 fWAR season hasn't come anywhere near happening for any outfielder currently other than Trout, Harper, and Betts
And Judge.
Judge had an 8.3 fWAR in 2017, despite voters saying that he "disappeared for 2 months" with a shoulder injury that required postseason surgery.
By the voter's logic, a healthy Judge would have put up 12.45 fWAR.
Judge is a top 5 player on top of his game, we have not seen a full season of that, chill out
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A healthy judge could drop 15 WAR
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
I was talking about close relative to other players because Mookie is pretty far and away the #2 best player in baseball at this moment
At the moment far and away the #2 best....no. You could easily and I mean easily argue that Bellinger and Yelich are equal if not better than Betts and after the season Ketel had...he is up there in top 5.
Betts had a "down" season that was almost as valuable as Bellinger and Yelich's. Marte has had one good year now. It's a pretty crazy notion to think any of those 3 have been better than Betts in even a 2 year time period
Did you just say he had a "down" season.....He had an average season for what he has put up in the 5 years prior....definitely not below it. Bellinger is 23 and coming into his prime and well Yelich..he has shown what he can do. Marte was a stretch but I was going off his 2019 campaign. To say Mookie is far better than everyone except Trout is idiotic. I was just talking outfielders.
You missed the entire reason that it was in quotes lmao, a lot of people called it a down season
Mookie has been plain better than the other players listed, his 2018 was offensively better than Yelich's 2019, he's been far and away defensively better than everyone listed by you, I can't believe this is even a debate for some people. A 10.7 fWAR season hasn't come anywhere near happening for any outfielder currently other than Trout, Harper, and Betts
And Judge.
Judge had an 8.3 fWAR in 2017, despite voters saying that he "disappeared for 2 months" with a shoulder injury that required postseason surgery.
By the voter's logic, a healthy Judge would have put up 12.45 fWAR.
Judge is a top 5 player on top of his game, we have not seen a full season of that, chill out
I'm just using the voters' logic, which shows how asinine that vote was and how absurdly dismissed Judge has been.
It's folly to assert that he's better than Trout, because Judge has 0 healthy seasons, and Trout has 8, consecutive, MVP-level seasons.
While Judge is considerably better defensively, he doesn't play CF; also, it's not Trout's fault that umpires destroy Judge with the zone.
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
I was talking about close relative to other players because Mookie is pretty far and away the #2 best player in baseball at this moment
At the moment far and away the #2 best....no. You could easily and I mean easily argue that Bellinger and Yelich are equal if not better than Betts and after the season Ketel had...he is up there in top 5.
Betts had a "down" season that was almost as valuable as Bellinger and Yelich's. Marte has had one good year now. It's a pretty crazy notion to think any of those 3 have been better than Betts in even a 2 year time period
Did you just say he had a "down" season.....He had an average season for what he has put up in the 5 years prior....definitely not below it. Bellinger is 23 and coming into his prime and well Yelich..he has shown what he can do. Marte was a stretch but I was going off his 2019 campaign. To say Mookie is far better than everyone except Trout is idiotic. I was just talking outfielders.
You missed the entire reason that it was in quotes lmao, a lot of people called it a down season
Mookie has been plain better than the other players listed, his 2018 was offensively better than Yelich's 2019, he's been far and away defensively better than everyone listed by you, I can't believe this is even a debate for some people. A 10.7 fWAR season hasn't come anywhere near happening for any outfielder currently other than Trout, Harper, and Betts
And Judge.
Judge had an 8.3 fWAR in 2017, despite voters saying that he "disappeared for 2 months" with a shoulder injury that required postseason surgery.
By the voter's logic, a healthy Judge would have put up 12.45 fWAR.
Judge is a top 5 player on top of his game, we have not seen a full season of that, chill out
I'm just using the voters' logic, which shows how asinine that vote was and how absurdly dismissed Judge has been.
It's folly to assert that he's better than Trout, because Judge has 0 healthy seasons, and Trout has 8, consecutive, MVP-level seasons.
While Judge is considerably better defensively, he doesn't play CF; also, it's not Trout's fault that umpires destroy Judge with the zone.
I'm just not comfortable making that assessment when there's not official stats to back it up, I'm not going to call someone who played one game and hit 4 homers the best player in baseball
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People are slandering Judge like he's not a top 8 player in baseball when healthy
He’s not though. Trout, Yelich, Betts, Arenado, are all clearly better. Bellinger has had 2 out of 3 good years and he’s a slightly better defender. Acuna and Judge are close but Judge is 6 years older than Acuna so I’ll take him. We will see this year if Bregman is actually good without cheating. Soto is a better overall hitter but the poor defense on Soto gives Judge the edge. Rendon is better. I’ll give you top 15 but we have really only seen 1 year of what Judge can do. He hasn’t been healthy enough to crack the top 10 players in baseball IMO
Except, since his debut, he's still 6th in overall fWAR, having played fewer games than 1-5.
For reference, Bregman is 5th, and he's played 100 MORE games than Judge, and Judge has a higher defensive rating than 3 of those 5 players.
Not putting Judge in the top 5 is an egregious error.
Tbh Judge may be better than Trout
His defensive value is higher, but CF is much bigger territory.
With a robe zone, his K rate should tank and BB rate should jump: low balls are called strikes on Judge, 100% more often than the league average.
I think Judge is going to have a very good career and all, but there really isn’t an argument for him (or anybody) being better than trout.
The only person who would even come close in the current conversation would be Betts
The gap between Trout and Betts is still much larger than the gap between Betts and everybody else. Betts has had one season that was on trouts level offensively.
I was talking about close relative to other players because Mookie is pretty far and away the #2 best player in baseball at this moment
At the moment far and away the #2 best....no. You could easily and I mean easily argue that Bellinger and Yelich are equal if not better than Betts and after the season Ketel had...he is up there in top 5.
Betts had a "down" season that was almost as valuable as Bellinger and Yelich's. Marte has had one good year now. It's a pretty crazy notion to think any of those 3 have been better than Betts in even a 2 year time period
Did you just say he had a "down" season.....He had an average season for what he has put up in the 5 years prior....definitely not below it. Bellinger is 23 and coming into his prime and well Yelich..he has shown what he can do. Marte was a stretch but I was going off his 2019 campaign. To say Mookie is far better than everyone except Trout is idiotic. I was just talking outfielders.
You missed the entire reason that it was in quotes lmao, a lot of people called it a down season
Mookie has been plain better than the other players listed, his 2018 was offensively better than Yelich's 2019, he's been far and away defensively better than everyone listed by you, I can't believe this is even a debate for some people. A 10.7 fWAR season hasn't come anywhere near happening for any outfielder currently other than Trout, Harper, and Betts
And Judge.
Judge had an 8.3 fWAR in 2017, despite voters saying that he "disappeared for 2 months" with a shoulder injury that required postseason surgery.
By the voter's logic, a healthy Judge would have put up 12.45 fWAR.
Judge is a top 5 player on top of his game, we have not seen a full season of that, chill out
I'm just using the voters' logic, which shows how asinine that vote was and how absurdly dismissed Judge has been.
It's folly to assert that he's better than Trout, because Judge has 0 healthy seasons, and Trout has 8, consecutive, MVP-level seasons.
While Judge is considerably better defensively, he doesn't play CF; also, it's not Trout's fault that umpires destroy Judge with the zone.
I'm just not comfortable making that assessment when there's not official stats to back it up, I'm not going to call someone who played one game and hit 4 homers the best player in baseball
What stats are you looking for? I will get you the references.
@KierannosaurusK said in Who will be the top 3 outfielders next year in DD?:
A healthy judge could drop 15 WAR
That would require 1) luck, 2) a digital zone, and 3) perfect health.
It's asking A TON.
