Unpopular opinion
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@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
It's the same franchise. It's like saying I'm an Atlanta Braves fan, not a Milwaukee Braves fan.
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@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
What about the people that were Expos fans and now are Nationals fans though? Don't they deserve some of the legends they enjoyed watching too?
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@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
What about the people that were Expos fans and now are Nationals fans though? Don't they deserve some of the legends they enjoyed watching too?
Yeah, they do. I just think those players are better suited to be headliners, WS, or BR rewards
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@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
Are you a Canadian hating racist?
(Just kidding for the people who can't tell)
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@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
What about the people that were Expos fans and now are Nationals fans though? Don't they deserve some of the legends they enjoyed watching too?
Yeah, they do. I just think those players are better suited to be headliners, WS, or BR rewards
agree to disagree, personally i think Expos fans should be able to grind for a card instead of having to pay hundreds of thousands of stubs for a card if they can't get to WS.
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@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
What about the people that were Expos fans and now are Nationals fans though? Don't they deserve some of the legends they enjoyed watching too?
Yeah, they do. I just think those players are better suited to be headliners, WS, or BR rewards
agree to disagree, personally i think Expos fans should be able to grind for a card instead of having to pay hundreds of thousands of stubs for a card if they can't get to WS.
Fair enough, I can see where you’re coming from
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Compromise: buy an expansion team in Montreal. Simple fix lol
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@formallyforearms said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
It's the same franchise. It's like saying I'm an Atlanta Braves fan, not a Milwaukee Braves fan.
Well, maybe you’re from Atlanta and didn’t have a team prior to the Braves coming to town. You didn’t care for the team before, but now you do
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@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
Nationals have been around 14 seasons. There are no retired legends who were a Nat and not an expo. There will be (Stras, Scherzer kind of) but it's early. Expos are your team's history, plain and simple. And they have quite a few greats
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
Nationals have been around 14 seasons. There are no retired legends who were a Nat and not an expo. There will be (Stras, Scherzer kind of) but it's early. Expos are your team's history, plain and simple. And they have quite a few greats
I acknowledge all that you’re saying, but an Alfonso Soriano (one of the great seasons of all time) or Jayson Werth would be pretty cool as an exclusively Nats fan. I’m not saying they’re the best of the best, but there were some really solid nationals, that weren’t expos, that are now retired
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@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
Nationals have been around 14 seasons. There are no retired legends who were a Nat and not an expo. There will be (Stras, Scherzer kind of) but it's early. Expos are your team's history, plain and simple. And they have quite a few greats
I acknowledge all that you’re saying, but an Alfonso Soriano (one of the great seasons of all time) or Jayson Werth would be pretty cool as an exclusively Nats fan. I’m not saying they’re the best of the best, but there were some really solid nationals, that weren’t expos, that are now retired
as a Mets fan i do not want to see Jayson Werth for obvious reasons haha guy killed us
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@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
Nationals have been around 14 seasons. There are no retired legends who were a Nat and not an expo. There will be (Stras, Scherzer kind of) but it's early. Expos are your team's history, plain and simple. And they have quite a few greats
I acknowledge all that you’re saying, but an Alfonso Soriano (one of the great seasons of all time) or Jayson Werth would be pretty cool as an exclusively Nats fan. I’m not saying they’re the best of the best, but there were some really solid nationals, that weren’t expos, that are now retired
Soriano played 1 year in WAS... And though it's neat he had 40/40, great season of all time??? Not even remotely. 5.4 fWAR is hardly a great season of all time. 5+ players do better than that every year..
And Werth was a huge negative on that franchise, a total albatross of a contract which he provided 14.4 fWAR in 7 years!!! For a hefty 126 million.. that's literally replacement level for 18mill per year. Forgettable
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
Nationals have been around 14 seasons. There are no retired legends who were a Nat and not an expo. There will be (Stras, Scherzer kind of) but it's early. Expos are your team's history, plain and simple. And they have quite a few greats
I acknowledge all that you’re saying, but an Alfonso Soriano (one of the great seasons of all time) or Jayson Werth would be pretty cool as an exclusively Nats fan. I’m not saying they’re the best of the best, but there were some really solid nationals, that weren’t expos, that are now retired
Soriano played 1 year in WAS... And though it's neat he had 40/40, great season of all time??? Not even remotely. 5.4 fWAR is hardly a great season of all time. 5+ players do better than that every year..
And Werth was a huge negative on that franchise, a total albatross of a contract which he provided 14.4 fWAR in 7 years!!! For a hefty 126 million.. that's literally replacement level for 18mill per year. Forgettable
Hence why I said one of the great seasons of all time and not one of the best. He’s the only player with 40 doubles, 40 homers, and 40 SBs in a season, which is pretty great. It was also his first year as an outfielder, so if I had to guess, his defensive metrics weren’t great without looking it up.
As far as Jayson Werth goes, I agree that the contract was big by looking at the numbers, but he was one of their first big FA signings, was apparently a great clubhouse guy, and was a good mentor to the young players in the organization. They were terrible before Jayson Werth and had to overspend to put themselves on the map as a decent FA destination. He was one of the guys who helped the Nationals make pushes for the playoffs. I get that you aren’t a Nats fan so you wouldn’t understand, but when even Ryan Zimmerman references Jayson Werth when talking about the 2019 World Series win, you know he was pretty important to the Nationals
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@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
Nationals have been around 14 seasons. There are no retired legends who were a Nat and not an expo. There will be (Stras, Scherzer kind of) but it's early. Expos are your team's history, plain and simple. And they have quite a few greats
I acknowledge all that you’re saying, but an Alfonso Soriano (one of the great seasons of all time) or Jayson Werth would be pretty cool as an exclusively Nats fan. I’m not saying they’re the best of the best, but there were some really solid nationals, that weren’t expos, that are now retired
Soriano played 1 year in WAS... And though it's neat he had 40/40, great season of all time??? Not even remotely. 5.4 fWAR is hardly a great season of all time. 5+ players do better than that every year..
And Werth was a huge negative on that franchise, a total albatross of a contract which he provided 14.4 fWAR in 7 years!!! For a hefty 126 million.. that's literally replacement level for 18mill per year. Forgettable
Hence why I said one of the great seasons of all time and not one of the best. He’s the only player with 40 doubles, 40 homers, and 40 SBs in a season, which is pretty great. It was also his first year as an outfielder, so if I had to guess, his defensive metrics weren’t great without looking it up.
As far as Jayson Werth goes, I agree that the contract was big by looking at the numbers, but he was one of their first big FA signings, was apparently a great clubhouse guy, and was a good mentor to the young players in the organization. They were terrible before Jayson Werth and had to overspend to put themselves on the map as a decent FA destination. He was one of the guys who helped the Nationals make pushes for the playoffs. I get that you aren’t a Nats fan so you wouldn’t understand, but when even Ryan Zimmerman references Jayson Werth when talking about the 2019 World Series win, you know he was pretty important to the Nationals
For milestone numbers, sure 40/40 is cool. But when talking about great seasons, anyone who ended up 40/40 but still only accumulated 5.4 fWAR tells me he must have really sucked in a lot of other aspects.
Which Soriano did. Brutal defense, didn't walk much and struck out way too much.A 10+ fWAR season is a great season of all time.. not half that
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
@Kovz88 said in Unpopular opinion:
@ztdurbin said in Unpopular opinion:
Nationals rewards should not be expos. Collection reward? Expo. TA3 reward? Expo. I think Andre Dawson and Vlad should be in the game as headliners or WS rewards, but they shouldn’t be rewards for doing stuff for the nationals. I want a good Zimmerman or a flashback Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, or Max Scherzer, not guys who were never Nationals.
I also understand that the TA3 guys were all legends and not flashbacks, so it would be tough to find somebody good and retired from the Nationals, considering they sucked for a lot of their existence and have only been around since 2005.
But anyways, I think Vlad and Dawson have their place in this game, I’m just tired of nationals rewards being non-nationals.I'm assuming you do know this but just double checking. You know the Expos became the Nationals?
Yeah, I know, but my point was that I’m a Nationals fan, not an Expos fan so I want to be rewarded with Nationals, not Expos
Nationals have been around 14 seasons. There are no retired legends who were a Nat and not an expo. There will be (Stras, Scherzer kind of) but it's early. Expos are your team's history, plain and simple. And they have quite a few greats
I acknowledge all that you’re saying, but an Alfonso Soriano (one of the great seasons of all time) or Jayson Werth would be pretty cool as an exclusively Nats fan. I’m not saying they’re the best of the best, but there were some really solid nationals, that weren’t expos, that are now retired
Soriano played 1 year in WAS... And though it's neat he had 40/40, great season of all time??? Not even remotely. 5.4 fWAR is hardly a great season of all time. 5+ players do better than that every year..
And Werth was a huge negative on that franchise, a total albatross of a contract which he provided 14.4 fWAR in 7 years!!! For a hefty 126 million.. that's literally replacement level for 18mill per year. Forgettable
Hence why I said one of the great seasons of all time and not one of the best. He’s the only player with 40 doubles, 40 homers, and 40 SBs in a season, which is pretty great. It was also his first year as an outfielder, so if I had to guess, his defensive metrics weren’t great without looking it up.
As far as Jayson Werth goes, I agree that the contract was big by looking at the numbers, but he was one of their first big FA signings, was apparently a great clubhouse guy, and was a good mentor to the young players in the organization. They were terrible before Jayson Werth and had to overspend to put themselves on the map as a decent FA destination. He was one of the guys who helped the Nationals make pushes for the playoffs. I get that you aren’t a Nats fan so you wouldn’t understand, but when even Ryan Zimmerman references Jayson Werth when talking about the 2019 World Series win, you know he was pretty important to the Nationals
For milestone numbers, sure 40/40 is cool. But when talking about great seasons, anyone who ended up 40/40 but still only accumulated 5.4 fWAR tells me he must have really sucked in a lot of other aspects.
Which Soriano did. Brutal defense, didn't walk much and struck out way too much.A 10+ fWAR season is a great season of all time.. not half that
I see what you’re saying here, but we’re just going to argue in circles so I’m just going to leave it here
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Jayson Werth didn't really do much for the Nats at all. He hit .263 with 109 homers in 800+ games. Sorriano played 1 season, great season but 1 season. Dawson was a great player on a great franchise for the most part until later on and was always one of their best players. Raines, Dawson, Wallach, Rodgers, Martinez, Pedro, Galarraga, Hubie Brooks, Carter, Moises Alou, Vidro, Mel Rojas, Wetteland. So many good players that played for the Expos that are much more deserving than the players who played for the Nats until the last few seasons. The Nationals just haven't been around long enough to have those retired legends. I will admit though, SDS will do anything as shown by using the super star players in the TA this year so I guess they can super charge some of the players.
I've been a Expo fan for a long time and went to see so many games when I was a kid and am VERY happy that they have a good representation in the game
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