Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?
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It would make sense to get another kris Bryant card, since Heyward has a silver card and got an award series diamond.
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I think they should do most of the recent mvp winners for sure! Maybe skip Altuve though lol
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Bryant absolutely needs to get an MVP awards card.
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2015 Donaldson, 2015 Harper, 2016 Bryant, 2017 Stanton, 2014 Trout, 2013 McCutchen would be some recent mvp winners I'd love to see
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
2015 Donaldson, 2015 Harper, 2016 Bryant, 2017 Stanton, 2014 Trout, 2013 McCutchen would be some recent mvp winners I'd love to see
Give me 2015 Harper, but even more juiced as an awards card.
He would be a monster, as he was that season.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
2015 Donaldson, 2015 Harper, 2016 Bryant, 2017 Stanton, 2014 Trout, 2013 McCutchen would be some recent mvp winners I'd love to see
Give me 2015 Harper, but even more juiced as an awards card.
He would be a monster, as he was that season.
.Yup. Legendary season. They were talking flip flopping him and Trout 1-2 after that year... Oh how things change. Or went back to normal I guess lol
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
2015 Donaldson, 2015 Harper, 2016 Bryant, 2017 Stanton, 2014 Trout, 2013 McCutchen would be some recent mvp winners I'd love to see
Give me 2015 Harper, but even more juiced as an awards card.
He would be a monster, as he was that season.
.Yup. Legendary season. They were talking flip flopping him and Trout 1-2 after that year... Oh how things change. Or went back to normal I guess lol
While we’re at it, give me a 2015 Cy Young awards arrieta that actually reflects that season better than his single season card does.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
2015 Donaldson, 2015 Harper, 2016 Bryant, 2017 Stanton, 2014 Trout, 2013 McCutchen would be some recent mvp winners I'd love to see
Give me 2015 Harper, but even more juiced as an awards card.
He would be a monster, as he was that season.
.Yup. Legendary season. They were talking flip flopping him and Trout 1-2 after that year... Oh how things change. Or went back to normal I guess lol
While we’re at it, give me a 2015 Cy Young awards arrieta that actually reflects that season better than his single season card does.
He'd be filthy in this game, with that sinker
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
2015 Donaldson, 2015 Harper, 2016 Bryant, 2017 Stanton, 2014 Trout, 2013 McCutchen would be some recent mvp winners I'd love to see
Give me 2015 Harper, but even more juiced as an awards card.
He would be a monster, as he was that season.
.Yup. Legendary season. They were talking flip flopping him and Trout 1-2 after that year... Oh how things change. Or went back to normal I guess lol
While we’re at it, give me a 2015 Cy Young awards arrieta that actually reflects that season better than his single season card does.
He'd be filthy in this game, with that sinker
His bronze card is on the lower end, so I’m hoping they at least give him a monthly awards card for the month he threw the no hitter, we need more sinkerballing diamonds.
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@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
I’d love to use 2017 mvp Joey Votto. Oh wait...
Stanton was better and deserved it...
I think you mean Judge...
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
I’d love to use 2017 mvp Joey Votto. Oh wait...
Stanton was better and deserved it...
I think you mean Judge...
I guess it depends which stats your favor. Stanton had the clear power stats edge but Votto’s OPS (considered by many to be the best offensive stat) was nearly 30 points higher.
Both were on crappy teams so you can’t try to debate best vs “most valuable”. -
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
I’d love to use 2017 mvp Joey Votto. Oh wait...
Stanton was better and deserved it...
I think you mean Judge...
I guess it depends which stats your favor. Stanton had the clear power stats edge but Votto’s OPS (considered by many to be the best offensive stat) was nearly 30 points higher.
Both were on crappy teams so you can’t try to debate best vs “most valuable”.Stanton had almost a full win over Votto, per fWAR.
Stanton was the clear winner.
If anything, Bryant would’ve won it over Votto.
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@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
I’d love to use 2017 mvp Joey Votto. Oh wait...
Stanton was better and deserved it...
I think you mean Judge...
I guess it depends which stats your favor. Stanton had the clear power stats edge but Votto’s OPS (considered by many to be the best offensive stat) was nearly 30 points higher.
Stanton 2017 - 158 wRC+, 7.3 fWAR, with the traditional stats 59 HR/132 RBI
Votto 2017 - 163 wRC+, 6.5 fWAR, poor defense, with traditional stats of 36 HR/100 RBI..
Whether you're new or old school, it's pretty obvious really. How could anyone take Votto over Giancarlo when it's close in advanced metrics, but Stanton crushes him traditionally... Plus better defense
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
I’d love to use 2017 mvp Joey Votto. Oh wait...
Stanton was better and deserved it...
I think you mean Judge...
I guess it depends which stats your favor. Stanton had the clear power stats edge but Votto’s OPS (considered by many to be the best offensive stat) was nearly 30 points higher.
Both were on crappy teams so you can’t try to debate best vs “most valuable”.Stanton had almost a full win over Votto, per fWAR.
Stanton was the clear winner.
Baseball reference has Votto 8.1 Stanton 8.0. WAR is great for measuring careers but when you get to a tight MVP race for a single season it’s not quite as useful because everyone calculates it differently.
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@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
I’d love to use 2017 mvp Joey Votto. Oh wait...
Stanton was better and deserved it...
I think you mean Judge...
I guess it depends which stats your favor. Stanton had the clear power stats edge but Votto’s OPS (considered by many to be the best offensive stat) was nearly 30 points higher.
Both were on crappy teams so you can’t try to debate best vs “most valuable”.Stanton had almost a full win over Votto, per fWAR.
Stanton was the clear winner.
Baseball reference has Votto 8.1 Stanton 8.0. WAR is great for measuring careers but when you get to a tight MVP race for a single season it’s not quite as useful because everyone calculates it differently.
Exactly. It's so tight, so then you give it to the guy who hit literally double the amount of homers, drove in 30 more runs and played good D
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@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
I’d love to use 2017 mvp Joey Votto. Oh wait...
Stanton was better and deserved it...
I think you mean Judge...
I guess it depends which stats your favor. Stanton had the clear power stats edge but Votto’s OPS (considered by many to be the best offensive stat) was nearly 30 points higher.
Both were on crappy teams so you can’t try to debate best vs “most valuable”.Stanton had almost a full win over Votto, per fWAR.
Stanton was the clear winner.
Baseball reference has Votto 8.1 Stanton 8.0. WAR is great for measuring careers but when you get to a tight MVP race for a single season it’s not quite as useful because everyone calculates it differently.
fWAR is better for position players, bWAR is better for pitchers.
bWAR is known to overrate defense too highly. fWAR is much more reasonable.
Going by fWAR, Votto could’ve reasonably finished in 2nd-5th place. But nobody was close enough to Stanton in 1st.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
I’d love to use 2017 mvp Joey Votto. Oh wait...
Stanton was better and deserved it...
I think you mean Judge...
I guess it depends which stats your favor. Stanton had the clear power stats edge but Votto’s OPS (considered by many to be the best offensive stat) was nearly 30 points higher.
Both were on crappy teams so you can’t try to debate best vs “most valuable”.Stanton had almost a full win over Votto, per fWAR.
Stanton was the clear winner.
Baseball reference has Votto 8.1 Stanton 8.0. WAR is great for measuring careers but when you get to a tight MVP race for a single season it’s not quite as useful because everyone calculates it differently.
fWAR is better for position players, bWAR is better for pitchers.
bWAR is known to overrate defense too highly. fWAR is much more reasonable.
Going by fWAR, Votto could’ve reasonably finished in 2nd-5th place. But nobody was close enough to Stanton in 1st.
It's close in advanced metrics, no doubt. But being so tight, you can't reasonably expect to get the winning votes when one of the guys hit 59 bombs and the other just walked a stupid amount. Voters will take 59 bombs everytime.
And by the way, I love Votto (Canadian)
And I dislike Stanton.
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Okay guys, I concede. It’s just that in my opinion, the best offensive stats are stuff like OPS, wOBA, True Avg. and Votto led Stanton in all three. I’ll give you the home runs (although I don’t want to hear a thing about RBIs) and maybe the defense, although it’s tough to compare outfield defense to infield defense.
It’s subjective for sure and I understand the value to Stanton. It’s just that he’s a certain type of hitter, and Votto is a completely different type of hitter, and I’d rather have more guys like 2017 Votto than 2017 Stanton in my lineup. I don’t think you can say Stanton was the CLEAR winner. He only won by a vote anyway, IIRC. -
@WDK19 said in Are we going to get a Kris Bryant MVP series diamond as a set headliner?:
I’d love to use 2017 mvp Joey Votto. Oh wait...
You can! Sort of...
https://mlb17.theshownation.com/marketplace/listing?item_ref_id=25991
