Make a game with little influence from the simulation, guarantee hits on anything squared up or perfect, nerf the RNG to not reward bad hits, perfect release pitches go where aimed, errors only happen if the player makes a mistake. Forget about monitoring numbers and making adjustments to keep them realistic.
Basically make user input/skill the deciding factor in games and if the game is not successful go back to what we currently have.
Just one year, see how it goes.
If not just be honest and completely transparent with the issues that have plagued gameplay this year. Dont ignore your 'customers" on a daily basis. If you cant handle the responsibility then step down and let someone who can step up.
This game is almost completely homerun or nothing. Pci outcomes , ridiculous fielding issues and pitching input being irrelevant are the worst of all problems.
If you buy a new car and it dosent perform as intended would that be ok? No. You would probably correspond with the dealer/manufacturer until the issue was resolved or you received a refund for buying a lemon.
I've played "The Show" competitively online since 2011. This has been the worst year as far as gameplay issues go imo.
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
You'd have 8000 people playing the game.
8000 playing the game online maybe. The offliners would still be there for rtts and franchise mode. At the release of 20 I was sitting at 626 on the lifetime leader board for 19. I couldve been higher if my games played would have been higher but I work and also coach on the side. I lost by 1 point to the #2 ranked player at the time and I beat several guys that were between 100-200. All we want is for user input to actually matter in online competition.
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
You'd have 8000 people playing the game.
As opposed to what now because everyone I talk to says the game is boring and unrewarding. In the 22 team league im in we have gone through like 30 guys already and its not even half way though the season. That just speaks volumes to the fact the game isnt worth anyones time and no one wants to play it
@Harrisville318 said in Just try it for one year:
If not just be honest and completely transparent with the issues that have plagued gameplay this year. Dont ignore your 'customers" on a daily basis. If you cant handle the responsibility then step down and let someone who can step up.
This game is almost completely homerun or nothing. Pci outcomes , ridiculous fielding issues and pitching input being irrelevant are the worst of all problems.
If you buy a new car and it dosent perform as intended would that be ok? No. You would probably correspond with the dealer/manufacturer until the issue was resolved or you received a refund for buying a lemon.
I've played "The Show" competitively online since 2011. This has been the worst year as far as gameplay issues go imo.
I’m going to give next year a chance because I’m curious to see this game on the next gen consoles but if the gameplay is comparable to last few years, I’m going to have to move on. It will be the tell tale sign that they’ll keep having simulation over user input.
@windmillsfordayz said in Just try it for one year:
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
You'd have 8000 people playing the game.
As opposed to what now because everyone I talk to says the game is boring and unrewarding. In the 22 team league im in we have gone through like 30 guys already and its not even half way though the season. That just speaks volumes to the fact the game isnt worth anyones time and no one wants to play it
If people are getting mercy ruled every game they aren't going to play. Something like 8% of the online player base plays on HoF difficulty. They can't exclusively design the game for those people.
This is before we even get started on card attributes needing to matter.
I'm not saying the game is perfect. They need to make hitting more rewarding. But making it purely skill based would be a bad idea, especially going to new platforms.
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
@windmillsfordayz said in Just try it for one year:
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
You'd have 8000 people playing the game.
As opposed to what now because everyone I talk to says the game is boring and unrewarding. In the 22 team league im in we have gone through like 30 guys already and its not even half way though the season. That just speaks volumes to the fact the game isnt worth anyones time and no one wants to play it
If people are getting mercy ruled every game they aren't going to play. Something like 8% of the online player base plays on HoF difficulty. They can't exclusively design the game for those people.
This is before we even get started on card attributes needing to matter.
I'm not saying the game is perfect. They need to make hitting more rewarding. But making it purely skill based would be a bad idea, especially going to new platforms.
Yeah, I think this is basically what you are saying but I would be more okay with lesser players getting randomly rewarded if my perfect perfects weren't lineouts somewhat consitently.
@coastereight said in Just try it for one year:
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
@windmillsfordayz said in Just try it for one year:
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
You'd have 8000 people playing the game.
As opposed to what now because everyone I talk to says the game is boring and unrewarding. In the 22 team league im in we have gone through like 30 guys already and its not even half way though the season. That just speaks volumes to the fact the game isnt worth anyones time and no one wants to play it
If people are getting mercy ruled every game they aren't going to play. Something like 8% of the online player base plays on HoF difficulty. They can't exclusively design the game for those people.
This is before we even get started on card attributes needing to matter.
I'm not saying the game is perfect. They need to make hitting more rewarding. But making it purely skill based would be a bad idea, especially going to new platforms.
Yeah, I think this is basically what you are saying but I would be more okay with lesser players getting randomly rewarded if my perfect perfects weren't lineouts somewhat consitently.
Sure, the perfect perfect thing is broken. The whole feedback system seems to be broken. Just saying that making it completely based on user input isn't really feasible.
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
@windmillsfordayz said in Just try it for one year:
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
You'd have 8000 people playing the game.
As opposed to what now because everyone I talk to says the game is boring and unrewarding. In the 22 team league im in we have gone through like 30 guys already and its not even half way though the season. That just speaks volumes to the fact the game isnt worth anyones time and no one wants to play it
If people are getting mercy ruled every game they aren't going to play. Something like 8% of the online player base plays on HoF difficulty. They can't exclusively design the game for those people.
This is before we even get started on card attributes needing to matter.
I'm not saying the game is perfect. They need to make hitting more rewarding. But making it purely skill based would be a bad idea, especially going to new platforms.
Wouldn’t this essentially make a better match making system though? People would be playing within their own skill level.
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
@windmillsfordayz said in Just try it for one year:
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
You'd have 8000 people playing the game.
As opposed to what now because everyone I talk to says the game is boring and unrewarding. In the 22 team league im in we have gone through like 30 guys already and its not even half way though the season. That just speaks volumes to the fact the game isnt worth anyones time and no one wants to play it
If people are getting mercy ruled every game they aren't going to play. Something like 8% of the online player base plays on HoF difficulty. They can't exclusively design the game for those people.
This is before we even get started on card attributes needing to matter.
I'm not saying the game is perfect. They need to make hitting more rewarding. But making it purely skill based would be a bad idea, especially going to new platforms.
The going to new platforms has me very curious about what the gameplay will be like. I’m predicting more bs than we’ve ever seen with them trying to cater to new players. What’s the best way to do that? Hand out cheap wins like candy to get them feeling good about playing the game.
@soreal35 said in Just try it for one year:
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
@windmillsfordayz said in Just try it for one year:
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
You'd have 8000 people playing the game.
As opposed to what now because everyone I talk to says the game is boring and unrewarding. In the 22 team league im in we have gone through like 30 guys already and its not even half way though the season. That just speaks volumes to the fact the game isnt worth anyones time and no one wants to play it
If people are getting mercy ruled every game they aren't going to play. Something like 8% of the online player base plays on HoF difficulty. They can't exclusively design the game for those people.
This is before we even get started on card attributes needing to matter.
I'm not saying the game is perfect. They need to make hitting more rewarding. But making it purely skill based would be a bad idea, especially going to new platforms.
Wouldn’t this essentially make a better match making system though? People would be playing within their own skill level.
It would basically be people that have trouble with pci placement playing each other and striking out 45 times a game combined, which is basically happening now with the hitting the way it is on all star and people are being pushed away, and that's with the good/ok swings being rewarded at times.
@windmillsfordayz said in Just try it for one year:
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
You'd have 8000 people playing the game.
As opposed to what now because everyone I talk to says the game is boring and unrewarding. In the 22 team league im in we have gone through like 30 guys already and its not even half way though the season. That just speaks volumes to the fact the game isnt worth anyones time and no one wants to play it
This is just any online league because it's tough to find people willing to stick something out when they consistently get beat.
Two different groups of players asking for two completely different games. Franchise players asking for Risk and online players asking for COD. You can't design a game that meshes those two concepts. SDS use to cater to the franchise crowd and I still feel like this is where the majority of players are. But as the almighty dollar of DD has come along it's easy to see they have had to change the game to cater more toward the online crowd.
This feels like the first year that SDS is firmly in the one foot in each pool category. They have tried to mash two play styles together into one and it's been a terrible experience for online players and a somewhat bad experience for franchise players. If you look at feedback the offline non DD players have still been largely uniform in praising the game this year.
I'm personally in both camps because I like to play both and I will say for me offline non-DD with sliders this has been the best the show has ever been. DD wise I'd rather load up 19 and play it any day of the week over this one.
@T_H_O_R_Storm said in Just try it for one year:
Make a game with little influence from the simulation, guarantee hits on anything squared up or perfect, nerf the RNG to not reward bad hits, perfect release pitches go where aimed, errors only happen if the player makes a mistake. Forget about monitoring numbers and making adjustments to keep them realistic.
Basically make user input/skill the deciding factor in games and if the game is not successful go back to what we currently have.
Just one year, see how it goes.
What do u mean by "the simulation"
So basically all players/cards would be created equal in this scenario? So it's not really DD... It's just online generic baseball.
@NYS012 said in Just try it for one year:
@T_H_O_R_Storm said in Just try it for one year:
Make a game with little influence from the simulation, guarantee hits on anything squared up or perfect, nerf the RNG to not reward bad hits, perfect release pitches go where aimed, errors only happen if the player makes a mistake. Forget about monitoring numbers and making adjustments to keep them realistic.
Basically make user input/skill the deciding factor in games and if the game is not successful go back to what we currently have.
Just one year, see how it goes.
What do u mean by "the simulation"
The simulation is this, right now if you square up a ball, the game looks at your batters attributes, the pitcher's attributes and does a calculation based on odds, basically pulling a number out of a hat. 10 being a home run, 1 being line out to third.
Getting rid of the sim would mean squaring up a ball gives you a home run every time. As a pitcher, perfect release will go exactly where you want it every time. Card attributes don't matter as there is a true outcome based on user input with no weight given to odds.
It’s not like they didn’t make a good version of the game for a while before shoving simulation bs down our throats starting in 17 and 18...
@T_H_O_R_Storm said in Just try it for one year:
Make a game with little influence from the simulation, guarantee hits on anything squared up or perfect, nerf the RNG to not reward bad hits, perfect release pitches go where aimed, errors only happen if the player makes a mistake. Forget about monitoring numbers and making adjustments to keep them realistic.
Basically make user input/skill the deciding factor in games and if the game is not successful go back to what we currently have.
Just one year, see how it goes.
its called MLB 15-17 fam
@maskedgrappler said in Just try it for one year:
@NYS012 said in Just try it for one year:
@T_H_O_R_Storm said in Just try it for one year:
Make a game with little influence from the simulation, guarantee hits on anything squared up or perfect, nerf the RNG to not reward bad hits, perfect release pitches go where aimed, errors only happen if the player makes a mistake. Forget about monitoring numbers and making adjustments to keep them realistic.
Basically make user input/skill the deciding factor in games and if the game is not successful go back to what we currently have.
Just one year, see how it goes.
What do u mean by "the simulation"
The simulation is this, right now if you square up a ball, the game looks at your batters attributes, the pitcher's attributes and does a calculation based on odds, basically pulling a number out of a hat. 10 being a home run, 1 being line out to third.
Getting rid of the sim would mean squaring up a ball gives you a home run every time. As a pitcher, perfect release will go exactly where you want it every time. Card attributes don't matter as there is a true outcome based on user input with no weight given to odds.
Attributes still have to matter. Dont want somebody hitting a Moonshot with Billy Hamilton just cuz he squared it up
That sounds awful to me. Maybe it's a game that rewards the person who played better more often but that certainly isn't baseball.
People legitimately want it to be possible to bat 1.000 in this game. I can't understand how that's interesting or enjoyable. I mean, if we were playing for real money rewards maybe you do this, but in real life if the Yankees and their single A team play 100 times, the single A team is winning at least 3-5 times. The AA team would win 10-15 times, and the AAA team would win maybe 25 times.
Whether people like it or not, baseball is a game of weighted randomness and (granted, I'm a mediocre online player, 37-17 in RS) I love the fact that sometimes really good players struggle. What drives me crazy is when the coding is clearly driving toward a particular outcome - comeback logic mostly. I know it exists because I can feel it when I'm taking advantage of it.
@T_H_O_R_Storm said in Just try it for one year:
Make a game with little influence from the simulation, guarantee hits on anything squared up or perfect, nerf the RNG to not reward bad hits, perfect release pitches go where aimed, errors only happen if the player makes a mistake. Forget about monitoring numbers and making adjustments to keep them realistic.
Basically make user input/skill the deciding factor in games and if the game is not successful go back to what we currently have.
Just one year, see how it goes.
What EVERY sports game SHOULD DO:
Create a "Competitive / Ranked" option where RNG is minimal, cards play to their ratings, and user input is king. - Mano y Mano if you will....
^ Rewards for competitive are buffed to reward the skill.
#2) Create a "Recreational" season, same structure as Competitive, but the rewards are nerfed due to increased RNG, and less user input rewarded. Little Billy's can use this Rec league as a safe space to get better.
Everyone self-selects the type of expeirence they want to be subjected to and get rewarded accordingly.
BOOM SOLVED - You're Welcome SDS and 2K and EA 
@Nanthrax_1 said in Just try it for one year:
How can cards play to their ratings if user input is everything? They can't be both...
Exactly