Brian Roberts?

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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

[DriveByTrucker17]

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos Lee

For Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny Frey

[Nanthrax_1_PSN]

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos Lee

For Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny Frey

O-dogg!!!

[nflman2033_PSN]

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos Lee

For Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny Frey

Yup, and card attributes are not based on WAR.

[DriveByTrucker17]

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos Lee

For Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny Frey

Belliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.

Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.

Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.

[Nanthrax_1_PSN]

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos Lee

For Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny Frey

Belliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.

Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.

Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.

And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...

[seannydrama7_PSN]

Didn’t we get 99 Alomar, Henderson and Verlander in this program last year?

Not hating on Roberts, but not much better than Program 2. Time to start ramping things up, no?

[Nanthrax_1_PSN]

@seannydrama7 said in Brian Roberts?:

Didn’t we get 99 Alomar, Henderson and Verlander in this program last year?

Not hating on Roberts, but not much better than Program 2. Time to start ramping things up, no?

Ya, especially with the FS inflated garbage out there. I was expecting some great rated legends to begin to bury those cards

[DriveByTrucker17]

@Nanthrax_1 said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos Lee

For Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny Frey

Belliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.

Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.

Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.

And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...

A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.

Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.

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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@Nanthrax_1 said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos Lee

For Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny Frey

Belliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.

Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.

Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.

And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...

A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.

Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.

I would never say he was. Weird comp...

Murphy was a 2 time, elite fielding MVP. His problem was he had a peak.. and was trash before and after it.

Carter was consistently a secondary player, nothing more...

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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@Nanthrax_1 said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos Lee

For Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny Frey

Belliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.

Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.

Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.

And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...

A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.

Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.

one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none

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@Nanthrax_1 said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@Nanthrax_1 said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos Lee

For Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny Frey

Belliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.

Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.

Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.

And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...

A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.

Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.

one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none

I completely agree.

57.3 fWAR is no easy task.

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Joe Carter hit a walk off home run in the world series, and batted 3rd for back to back world series winning teams! Don't care his WAR is low because he played below-average defense and didn't have a very good OBP, dude won and deserved to be a boss! Something should be said about being a clutch and winning player vs somebody who has a lot of empty stats.

I love stats and advanced analytics, but Carter was a feared bat on a winning team in his prime.

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@pbake12 said in Brian Roberts?:

Joe Carter hit a walk off home run in the world series, and batted 3rd for back to back world series winning teams! Don't care his WAR is low because he played below-average defense and didn't have a very good OBP, dude won and deserved to be a boss! Something should be said about being a clutch and winning player vs somebody who has a lot of empty stats.

I love stats and advanced analytics, but Carter was a feared bat on a winning team in his prime.

I agree with you, but get ready to be disagreed with vehemently.

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@Nanthrax_1 said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@Nanthrax_1 said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Brian Roberts?:

Brian Roberts has 29.7 career fWAR.

Joe carter only has 17.1

So no, Joe Carter is still by far the worst.

Brian Roberts might have only had a diamond rating 1 time in his career. He was a 2 time all star. Solid player, nothing more.

And Carter was a slightly above average player, nothing more.

Baseball reference similarity comps for Joe Carter are
Dale Murphy
Rubens Sierra
Carlos Lee

For Brian Roberts
Ronnie Belliard
Orlando Hudson
Lonny Frey

Belliard, Hudson, and Frey all have more fWAR than Carter.

Roberts also has more fWAR than Sierra and Lee.

Try looking at stats yourself, rather than relying on arbitrary comps.

And Dale Murphy is borderline HOF...

A little bit further than borderline, but definitely in a group above the rest of those names.

Look at his stats compared to Carter’s and please show me how Carter is in any way close to Murphy though.

one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none

I would have liked Olerud as a boss as well. You might have to wait a while though. They don’t usually come out with a better card of a collection reward until later in the year

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@Nanthrax_1 said in Brian Roberts?:

one guy I think who could deserve to be a boss and is as underrated as Carter is overrated is John Olerud! One of my favorites. Dude had a HOF career, plain and simple.. and gets zero respect.. none

It's the hat.

[formallyforearms]

So do people think Brian Roberts is worthy of a 94 rated boss card? That is my original point. I would rather see Chase Utley, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, Nap Lajoie, Eddie Collins, Lou Whitaker, Jeff Kent, Julio Franco, Bobby Doerr, etc. Players that realistically deserve 94 rated cards.

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@pbake12 said in Brian Roberts?:

Joe Carter hit a walk off home run in the world series, and batted 3rd for back to back world series winning teams! Don't care his WAR is low because he played below-average defense and didn't have a very good OBP, dude won and deserved to be a boss! Something should be said about being a clutch and winning player vs somebody who has a lot of empty stats.

I love stats and advanced analytics, but Carter was a feared bat on a winning team in his prime.

I agree with some points here. One thing though. He should have never batted 3rd for the 1992 team. If anything that hurt the team. Cito was old school...
And in 1993, Carter never batted third. Molitor did almost all year. After they got Rickey, Alomar did sometimes. The fact Olerud hit 5th with a .363 AVG and near .500 OBP is an absolute joke

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@formallyforearms said in Brian Roberts?:

So do people think Brian Roberts is worthy of a 94 rated boss card? That is my original point. I would rather see Chase Utley, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, Nap Lajoie, Eddie Collins, Lou Whitaker, Jeff Kent, Julio Franco, Bobby Doerr, etc. Players that realistically deserve 94 rated cards.

Considering all the FS cards that are around a 94, then yeah. Overall rating doesn't really mean much for comparing players.

A different player would have been nice though, we already have a gold of him, while a few teams don't have any non-live series players on the marketplace (e.i. Brewers, Royals, Nationals, Dbacks...)