Hitting in Showdown
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@eatyum said in Hitting in Showdown:
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@theman925 said in Hitting in Showdown:
I don’t think anyone recommends to just put the control down till you get two strikes. BUT it is smart to take pitches, unless you enjoy making quick outs and getting the pitchers confidence up.
If the first pitch is right down the middle, I have to take? Doesn’t work that way in real baseball, why is that a thing in a game that wants to replicate real baseball?
The classic strawman argument, twisting his words into saying something different.
Ok. Then maybe you can explain to me why there’s a consensus of not swinging until 2 strikes in this game when clearly that doesn’t happen in real baseball and it shouldn’t be a thing in a game wanting to replicate real baseball. If I get a first pitch down the middle, why is it not good to go for it?
I don't subscribe to the take till two-strike theory. (Unless you find yourself constantly swinging at balls, in which case it might be helpful to watch a few to try and get comfortable.)
Nice try diverting from the main point though. You were still strawmaning, whether you want to admit it or not.
Call me whatever you want, I’m not here to talk about that.
I’m just curious because the other guy made a whole thread about the bad players not being patient in showdown and I’m just wondering why should you have to let good pitches go to avoid being “impatient”? If the CPU gives me a one first one down the middle, why should I feel like I have to take otherwise the game will nerf my early count hit? I’ve asked you twice now and you yourself are diverting from giving me a legit response.
I already gave you my answer, I don't subscribe to the wait till two-strike theory. I'll swing when I feel like it.
But again, you don't want to talk about "that" because you know it's strawman, but sure keep avoiding it, lol you aren't fooling anyone.
Im not trying to fool anyone. Aren’t you the guy who blocked and AVOIDED that one dude who was asking you questions about his hit feedback? It was a perfect/perfect with an exit velocity slower than the pitch, to jog your memory. Yeah, I think you are that guy. Other dude was asking you questions and poof, you disappeared or blocked him. Don’t come at me with some s$&t you’ve done yourself.
You're not fooling anyone Ryan, I've known it's you for awhile
Your entitled to believe whoever you think I am. Anyway, how about that, you came at me saying I’m avoiding this and that when your doing the same thing. Doesn’t make you look too good. You do realize that other people read your comments too right? I remember that whole back and forth between you and him and your the one who avoided his questions.
Weird how you remember that when your account is only 9 days old. As I said, I gave him my reasoning, that flaws happen at any times, so they can happen the worst time. What's the point of repeating that 50 times over?
But ONCE AGAIN, please deflect your strawmaning more, I will never stop bringing it up until you face it, which you obviously never will because you cannot admit to anything. Which is fine, I expect no less.
If flaws happen at anytime then why are players blasted on here from the cult accusing them of it being their fault and their “crybabies” when they share a story of those flaws screwing them over? Maybe they want those flaws fixed so they don’t have to “whine” about them.
Name me one person on here who believes the game has no flaws, that there aren't things that can't be improved. (Except the bluejay tyler guy, he doesn't count lol) No one is disputing that flaws happen, that flaws will sometimes screw people over. Again, another strawman attempt
Making well-written criticisms of the game is fine, but most of them get called crybabies because of the way they write it. They let their emotions tell the story and that makes it look like complaining.
Also that last sentence def tells me you are Ryan, you write the same exact way.
also But ONCE AGAIN, please deflect your strawmaning more, I will never stop bringing it up until you face it, which you obviously never will because you cannot admit to anything. Which is fine, I expect no less.
Also this is exactly what I meant, I've given you my reasoning three times now, and you don't accept it as an answer. Proves my point that I can repeat it over and over and it just doesn't get through
I already did face it, I said call me whatever you want. But I had to say it again because apparently it’s not getting through for yourself lol.
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@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
@eatyum said in Hitting in Showdown:
@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
@eatyum said in Hitting in Showdown:
@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
@eatyum said in Hitting in Showdown:
@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
@eatyum said in Hitting in Showdown:
@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
@eatyum said in Hitting in Showdown:
@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
@eatyum said in Hitting in Showdown:
@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
@theman925 said in Hitting in Showdown:
I don’t think anyone recommends to just put the control down till you get two strikes. BUT it is smart to take pitches, unless you enjoy making quick outs and getting the pitchers confidence up.
If the first pitch is right down the middle, I have to take? Doesn’t work that way in real baseball, why is that a thing in a game that wants to replicate real baseball?
The classic strawman argument, twisting his words into saying something different.
Ok. Then maybe you can explain to me why there’s a consensus of not swinging until 2 strikes in this game when clearly that doesn’t happen in real baseball and it shouldn’t be a thing in a game wanting to replicate real baseball. If I get a first pitch down the middle, why is it not good to go for it?
I don't subscribe to the take till two-strike theory. (Unless you find yourself constantly swinging at balls, in which case it might be helpful to watch a few to try and get comfortable.)
Nice try diverting from the main point though. You were still strawmaning, whether you want to admit it or not.
Call me whatever you want, I’m not here to talk about that.
I’m just curious because the other guy made a whole thread about the bad players not being patient in showdown and I’m just wondering why should you have to let good pitches go to avoid being “impatient”? If the CPU gives me a one first one down the middle, why should I feel like I have to take otherwise the game will nerf my early count hit? I’ve asked you twice now and you yourself are diverting from giving me a legit response.
I already gave you my answer, I don't subscribe to the wait till two-strike theory. I'll swing when I feel like it.
But again, you don't want to talk about "that" because you know it's strawman, but sure keep avoiding it, lol you aren't fooling anyone.
Im not trying to fool anyone. Aren’t you the guy who blocked and AVOIDED that one dude who was asking you questions about his hit feedback? It was a perfect/perfect with an exit velocity slower than the pitch, to jog your memory. Yeah, I think you are that guy. Other dude was asking you questions and poof, you disappeared or blocked him. Don’t come at me with some s$&t you’ve done yourself.
You're not fooling anyone Ryan, I've known it's you for awhile
Your entitled to believe whoever you think I am. Anyway, how about that, you came at me saying I’m avoiding this and that when your doing the same thing. Doesn’t make you look too good. You do realize that other people read your comments too right? I remember that whole back and forth between you and him and your the one who avoided his questions.
Weird how you remember that when your account is only 9 days old. As I said, I gave him my reasoning, that flaws happen at any times, so they can happen the worst time. What's the point of repeating that 50 times over?
But ONCE AGAIN, please deflect your strawmaning more, I will never stop bringing it up until you face it, which you obviously never will because you cannot admit to anything. Which is fine, I expect no less.
If flaws happen at anytime then why are players blasted on here from the cult accusing them of it being their fault and their “crybabies” when they share a story of those flaws screwing them over? Maybe they want those flaws fixed so they don’t have to “whine” about them.
Name me one person on here who believes the game has no flaws, that there aren't things that can't be improved. (Except the bluejay tyler guy, he doesn't count lol) No one is disputing that flaws happen, that flaws will sometimes screw people over. Again, another strawman attempt
Making well-written criticisms of the game is fine, but most of them get called crybabies because of the way they write it. They let their emotions tell the story and that makes it look like complaining.
Also that last sentence def tells me you are Ryan, you write the same exact way.
also But ONCE AGAIN, please deflect your strawmaning more, I will never stop bringing it up until you face it, which you obviously never will because you cannot admit to anything. Which is fine, I expect no less.
Also this is exactly what I meant, I've given you my reasoning three times now, and you don't accept it as an answer. Proves my point that I can repeat it over and over and it just doesn't get through
I already did face it, I said call me whatever you want. But I had to say it again because apparently it’s not getting through for yourself lol.
That's not facing it, that's dismissing and not admitting to it. It's the equivalent of telling your mother "whatever" when she asks you do to something.
But like I said, I already know you're not big enough to do so, not shocking tbh.
I know you just desperately want to grab at things, try to excuse me of doing the same things you do, but it doesn't work. Have a great day
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@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
Why do some claim you have to be patient and wait for 2 strikes before trying to get a hit?
Do hitters in real life put the bat down and stand there until 2 strikes? No. So why is there a consensus that getting a hit in this game is more likely with 2 strikes? Especially in Showdown.
In real life baseball the count has no effect on a well hit ball, there’s no magical powers the pitchers have. During showdown, or any mode in this game, if I get a pitch down the middle I shouldn’t have the feeling of I have to let it go because I don’t have 2 strikes yet. I should have confidence that if I get a good hit regardless of the count, it won’t be nerfed, unfortunately I don’t have that confidence because of how this game plays and the consensus around here being, don’t swing until 2 strikes.
I don't know about this being the "consensus" theory but I think you're missing the point. Nobody is saying take til 2 strikes no matter what. They are talking about the all-star level bosses in stage 1. They are suggesting that in order to increase your chances of success if you are struggling then try to take more questionable pitches because again since it is on all-star the pitcher will be a little more wild which increases your chances at a walk. And a walk is just as good as a hit.
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Just like an at bat in real life - you go to bat looking for 1 pitch in one spot, don’t swing if it’s not your pitch until you have 2 strikes... that’s when you shorten down and try to foul off bad strikes until you get a pitch to hit - it will not always result in a hit but the more pitches that are pitched, the more chances you have at a mistake pitch. The key is being patient and disciplined.... also not getting frustrated because a barreled ball doesn’t result in a hit thus letting affect your next batter....
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@Warpedzilla said in Hitting in Showdown:
@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
Why do some claim you have to be patient and wait for 2 strikes before trying to get a hit?
Do hitters in real life put the bat down and stand there until 2 strikes? No. So why is there a consensus that getting a hit in this game is more likely with 2 strikes? Especially in Showdown.
In real life baseball the count has no effect on a well hit ball, there’s no magical powers the pitchers have. During showdown, or any mode in this game, if I get a pitch down the middle I shouldn’t have the feeling of I have to let it go because I don’t have 2 strikes yet. I should have confidence that if I get a good hit regardless of the count, it won’t be nerfed, unfortunately I don’t have that confidence because of how this game plays and the consensus around here being, don’t swing until 2 strikes.
I don't know about this being the "consensus" theory but I think you're missing the point. Nobody is saying take til 2 strikes no matter what. They are talking about the all-star level bosses in stage 1. They are suggesting that in order to increase your chances of success if you are struggling then try to take more questionable pitches because again since it is on all-star the pitcher will be a little more wild which increases your chances at a walk. And a walk is just as good as a hit.
There’s been numerous comments saying “put the controller down until you have 2 strikes”
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Ryan is going to have more accounts than Kieran by the end of the year.
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they nerfed the hitting so it's much more difficult and so that you will spend your money buying stubs. It's all a money grab. They are greedy losers
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No one is forcing anyone to take 2 strikes, but the reason why most people take 2 strikes is because pitchers are wild in show down and tend to walk you= a free base runner. Secondly, you tire the pitcher out which makes your pci a bit bigger. And lastly, mlb players take pitches all the time, idk which mlb game I have seen that every player in the lineup swings at the very first pitch of every at bat. The key to this game is patience, if anyone lacks this then failure is the end result.
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@thizzlyadams said in Hitting in Showdown:
Ryan is going to have more accounts than Kieran by the end of the year
Where is that guy anyway? Maybe he quit this game. I noticed you didn’t have anything to say about the topic of this post, that eatyum guy would like to talk to you about avoiding/deflecting. Unless he just targets certain members.
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@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
Why do some claim you have to be patient and wait for 2 strikes before trying to get a hit?
Do hitters in real life put the bat down and stand there until 2 strikes? No. So why is there a consensus that getting a hit in this game is more likely with 2 strikes? Especially in Showdown.
In real life baseball the count has no effect on a well hit ball, there’s no magical powers the pitchers have. During showdown, or any mode in this game, if I get a pitch down the middle I shouldn’t have the feeling of I have to let it go because I don’t have 2 strikes yet. I should have confidence that if I get a good hit regardless of the count, it won’t be nerfed, unfortunately I don’t have that confidence because of how this game plays and the consensus around here being, don’t swing until 2 strikes.
The only pitches I swing at before I get two strikes are the ones down Broadway. I’ve been very successful in my showdowns.
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@C_ypress_H_ill said in Hitting in Showdown:
@thizzlyadams said in Hitting in Showdown:
Ryan is going to have more accounts than Kieran by the end of the year
Where is that guy anyway? Maybe he quit this game. I noticed you didn’t have anything to say about the topic of this post, that eatyum guy would like to talk to you about avoiding/deflecting. Unless he just targets certain members.
You've already been given the answer multiple times from multiple people. The game doesn't punish you for swinging at the first pitch, it punishes you for swinging at bad pitches. There's a difference between being patient and not swinging til 2 strikes.
Being patient means waiting for good pitches to hit that you know you can do damage on. That's a good strategy. Just blindly taking til 2 strikes is a bad strategy (unless it's the NL Central Showdown against Hader).
I've beaten Showdown multiple times coming back from 0-15 right after the draft. The key is to swing at the right pitches and drop the pitcher's confidence as fast as you can.
The game isn't the reason you can't beat Showdowns, Ryan.
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I've never understood the two strike approach either. I lost American League showdown today after scoring 9 runs. It was my stupid fault, but I needed 10 runs. Not once did I ever feel like I needed to get the count to 2 strikes. If I saw a hittable pitch I liked, I swung away. Im sure it costed my a few outs, but also getting to 2 strikes also guarantees nothing.
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Plate discipline doesn’t mean passively not swinging at pitches. It means, as has been pointed out by others, zeroing in on one pitch one spot and spitting on everything else until you’re down two strikes.
If you’re just taking pitches down the middle, that isn’t likely to help much.
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Baseball is a very situational specialization sport. There is no answer that works 100% of the time for anything in baseball. In fact, most players have to find what works for them in the minors for multiple years (if ever) before they figure out an approach that works for them -- and even then, they change it or switch it up depending on certain situations.
If there is a reason that I like for sticking with an at-bat until you get to two strikes, it's that the deeper the count is, the more pressure a pitcher might feel to just get an out. I don't think there's nearly as much pressure in a 0-0 count as there is in a two strike count for the batter. Plus, you have some Live Series players that have specific quirks where they get a small attribute boost in two strike counts but there is also quirks for the 1st pitch in an at-bat.
As for Showdown specifically, the most common reason for the two strike approach is that it'll -- more often than not -- lower the pitcher's confidence and always lower their stamina. Obviously the lower the stamina, the more likely it is that a pitcher might become "wild" or leave something to hang over the plate.
If you don't see the benefit to work an at-bat to a deeper count, then I don't think I want to have an argument about baseball with you in the first place.
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@halfbutt said in Hitting in Showdown:
Plate discipline doesn’t mean passively not swinging at pitches. It means, as has been pointed out by others, zeroing in on one pitch one spot and spitting on everything else until you’re down two strikes.
If you’re just taking pitches down the middle, that isn’t likely to help much.
Exactly this .... I don’t think some understand that you simply can’t be afraid to go to 2 strikes ... doesn’t mean you automatically take until you get 2 on you.... I’ve hit several 1st pitch of the game HR’s due to the pitcher trying a get me over fastball that was in the right spot...
Also, as long as you have outs to spare, it’s ok to strike out instead of swinging at the pitches thrown in the strike zone that result in the double plays .... I’ll take the 1 out over 2 and start fresh with the next batter
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In real life different players will have different approaches at the plate. Different hitting coaches have differing philosophies. You do you, OK...just don't come to the forum complaining that the Stage 2 Showdown is overly challenging because you can't put ducks on the pond OK.
There are a variety of quirks that cater to differing approaches at the plate.
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