Bots
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I have played out this exact scenario about 50 times or more test it out and it worked exactly the same everytime.
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I don’t know about you, but the market acting this way doesn’t make me want/need to buy stubs. In fact, it does the opposite.
And then my thinking drifts to: you know, if this is how it’s gonna be from now on, maybe The Show isn’t for me. (Shrugs)…..
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@Parr99_XBL said in Bots:
Here's an example of how I have tested it. Sale price 9000 and buy price 6000. I put in an order for 6005. Bot does 6006 and cancels 6000 about a second or two apart. I go to 6500 and then bot does 6501. I do 7000 and bot does 7001. Each time the bot cancels it's previous order. Now the top three prices are 7001 bot, 7000 me 6000 next best bid. I cancel my 7000 and the bot stays at 7001 until a buy happens even though it is now 1000 above the next best bid. It doesn't expect this to happen so it isn't programmed to correct the large over bid. Individuals don't leave the high bid all alone. Individuals will cancel and lower when they see that they are way above the market.
The bot doesn't. Once the buy happens it switches and sells. As long as it is the best price the program works. I've been playing the market for 10 years and have never seen anything like this before.Exactly, I was just about to give a explanation of how it went for me last night and why I got so frustrated but you explained it perfectly.
This was happening to me on the Cal Raleigh spotlight card because I am just trying to finish the spotlight collection for Santana.
I use to love flipping cards, I would do it while watching a movie or a show and just leave said buy/sell order alone and come back, with the bot that at least for me hasn't been as easy this year.
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The Cal Raleigh card is a perfect example of when it happens. It has enough spread, trades not too often and isn't too large a price.
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What really sucks is when the bot buys and then sells and then bids again before you can buy your card. I've seen this happen. I feel like I have to wait for the bot to get his purchase done and hope I can buy mine before he switches back to the buy side again.
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Idk if bots are a thing on SDS servers but it definitely is on EA ones. FUT in particular is terrible but thats because a quick search for a free app for it directs you straight to it, don't see that with The Show.
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I got hacked by someone and am banned for marketplace manipulation can I please get unbanned
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@capardo_XBL said in Bots:
I don’t know about you, but the market acting this way doesn’t make me want/need to buy stubs. In fact, it does the opposite.
And then my thinking drifts to: you know, if this is how it’s gonna be from now on, maybe The Show isn’t for me. (Shrugs)…..
I'm definitely considering not buying next year's game, I have better things that I can spend my $ and time on.
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This issue is still going on even this late in the game cycle. So many cards/players in the market have this now. So very difficult to buy or sell against a bot. I have been trying to sell extra All Star cards all day only to have bots under cut me. Seen situations where they will take the sell price from 47000 all the way to 40000. The cards are so thinly traded that the bot will sell then buy and go back to sell before I can sell mine. It has to be a bot because the new sell is entered and the previous canceled within 1 second. No human can do it that fast. I sure hope SDS isn't doing this to manipulate the market. They certainly aren't stopping it if it's an individual.
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@Parr99_XBL said in Bots:
It's actually worse than what is being discussed here. I've been watching it out of curiosity. The bot will enter a buy order 1 above the best bid. Any higher bid and it will cancel and go 1 above again. It usually happens 10 seconds after the higher bid is entered. Sometimes as long as 25 seconds. Once the bot makes a purchase it flips over and lists the item for sale at 1 below the best offer and repeats the process. Once the sale happens it starts all over again with a new buy order. This usually happens when the spread is about 1000 to 2000 between buy and sell. It is soooo annoying if you are trying to buy or sell an item.
Case in point with the Eli Willits draft card yesterday. I watched that yesterday the sell now was 70k and the buy now 200k-300k, the value plummeted by half in like 30-45 minutes to where anybody would be profiting negative stubs after a flip. Each bid to purchase the card was increased minisculy. I see this pattern after flash sales.
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You can use the bot to your advantage. I do it with the low overall Topps now series. Say you have one at qs buy price of 1875 and the sale price is like 3k. If you put in a buy of about 2500 the bot will put up a price of 2501. If your buy price is too high in relation to the sale price the bot won't bid. Sell to it and cancel your buy order. It'll then put in a sell price of 2999. You can put in a sell as low as 1900 and it will still undercut you despite it selling at a loss Buy the bot card at 1899. You can do this over and over. It's not a lot of stubs, but it's easy. The only risk you run is somebody else comes in and takes your bids while you're waiting the few seconds it takes for the bot to change its bid. However, there isn't a lot of action on these older cards so it doesn't happen very often.
