Remember when user input mattered?
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Ok, I will preface this by stating I'm trying to stay neutral. I have found that sometimes, sometimes if you watch the in game replay of a foul tip, and then the game recording on your console SOMETIMES there is a rather alarming discrepancy. The in game replay shows contact, the screen recording shows they weren't even remotely close.
That being said, this doesn't happen frequently enough to be a large problem. But I will admit hitting is worse this year than previous years, I also think part of that problem is the pitching is actually the problem especially in vs CPU games. I'm not hitting as many bombs anymore either, I am however manufacturing more runs than I ever have with XBH and stuff by key-holing, again even vs CPU
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@Afromeister_XBL
Ahh you are too funny. No seriously, I'm almost on the floor. What a stupid flipping post. I got two words for you: "That's baseball." Sometimes weak hits find grass while good hits find gloves. It is what it is, but that's reality. There's no way you're telling me that the game rewards perfect-perfects LESS than weak hits. Oh, and also, if they put the PCI on the ball, no matter what the swing or timing is, they're going to foul it off. What do you want, for us to just annihilate the concept of foul [censored]? Also, I think @Pergo was mocking you btw -
@Lhubison58_MLBTS
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You morons have literally the same dumb argument every time based on an incorrect assumption that good inputs should always be hits.
I don't know how could make this more clear for your pea brain.
If the best inputs are going to be punished more, the worst ones should also be punished more. Instead, the worst inputs are now rewarded more with foul [censored] and slow grounders where defenders are slow to react or have zero urgency to throw the ball.
User input needs to matter online because the mode is set for a "competitive" setting. SDS has said as much.
Instead, we get terrible scripting where RNG will heavily favor one team. That's awful gameplay.
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This year's game is more forgiving to players like you, who aren't as consistent with their swing quality.
The gameplay mechanics have substantially lowered the skill gap because a player who can't hit at all will still find themselves in games because the meatballs they're throwing are linouts.
You may like that style of gameplay, but to me, it's rancid because it devalues the importance of user input.
If I want to play games that come down to chance, I'll go play cards or a board game.
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@Afromeister_XBL you are making quite a few assumptions about me. Back on the PS4 I was a World Series level player year in and year out. I’m playing with one eye at the moment. Hitting is a challenge for me online. I can be a great player when 100%, but until they remove the oil bubble from my eye in August I’m in a holding pattern. I don’t see the level of trash that is being hurled towards the game. But like your own opinion, that is my perspective. Just don’t assume I’m some casual [censored].
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@Afromeister_XBL said in Remember when user input mattered?:
You morons have literally the same dumb argument every time based on an incorrect assumption that good inputs should always be hits.
I don't know how could make this more clear for your pea brain.
Dunning Kruger Effect. Look it up. I don't know nor do I care how good you are at lining up the ball in crosshairs, because your understanding of what is happening in the game and your ability to form a cogent argument are incredibly poor, at best. You might have incredibly fast reactions with your fingers, but your brain is not keeping pace. And, yet, here you are, insulting people like you know what you're talking about.
You're assuming that simple "RNG" is culprit; it's much more likely that what you're seeing is the interplay of attributes, and, this year, the pitcher attributes seem to matter more than they have in years past. That would affect outcomes and not make them governed simply by where the reticle is placed and your timing. The benefit or harm of that is subjective, but your ridiculous take lacks any data and compensates only with vitriol. You don't even make an attempt to account for all the variables that go into an at-bat in this game... you just wail like an infant.
No one except the developers of this game have anything more to go on than anecdotal evidence drawn from very small samples relative to the data we don't have, so anything that any one of us is saying when it comes to background mechanics is a guess. Some people know how to navigate that with a bit of class and understanding and they give their opinions with (at least some) sense of decorum. You don't.
Your diatribes are a guess at what is happening. Nothing more. The only thing verifiably true about anything you're saying is that you're throwing a tantrum over a game.
Grow up.
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Just looking at your last 10 games or so, you and your opponents have combined to go 18 for 20 on perfects. I feel like hitting .900 is rewarding good inputs pretty well.
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@Afromeister_XBL exactly!!
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@The_Joneser_PSN dude stop. There is a hitting issue this year. Period. End of conversation. Look at the 1000s of comments and posts complaining about it. You sound like you work for the company.
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@SpawnOfDitka_XBL, and you sound like a sheep. Would you jump off a cliff if all the streamers did it?
I'm assuming your name is a nod to Mike Ditka? He'd be so disappointed... he wasn't fond of whiners and complainers.
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@The_Joneser_PSN im a sheep because im calling out the issues with the hitting engine? And because I agree with the valid complaints that I also see first hand from playing the game? This isn't real baseball bro. Its a game. Good inputs matter. This isnt rng. Players with worse inputs should not be beating players with better inputs in a video game. Period. End of story. No one is saying every good swing should be a hit or a home run either. So learn how to read. Now go away. Run back to your masters at sds. You are barking up the wrong tree here. Everyone is complaining about the hitting engine this year. Then there are a few of you ball lickers trying to spin it on purpose. Go read all the comments about the hitting issues this year. So everyone is just full of sh...???
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"Bad contact =rewarded with could [censored]"
I see it the other way, bad contact is penalized with a foul ball, it was foul because the contact wasn't good, the contact was weak and/or popped because the contact was good.It is very interesting to me that the complaints are always my hard contact is caught and their bloops and jam shots drop in,but it's not a complaint when their bloops fall in or their 3B catches the 110mph liner from the opponent.
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@The_Joneser_PSN said in Remember when user input mattered?:
@Afromeister_XBL said in Remember when user input mattered?:
You morons have literally the same dumb argument every time based on an incorrect assumption that good inputs should always be hits.
I don't know how could make this more clear for your pea brain.
Dunning Kruger Effect. Look it up. I don't know nor do I care how good you are at lining up the ball in crosshairs, because your understanding of what is happening in the game and your ability to form a cogent argument are incredibly poor, at best. You might have incredibly fast reactions with your fingers, but your brain is not keeping pace. And, yet, here you are, insulting people like you know what you're talking about.
You're assuming that simple "RNG" is culprit; it's much more likely that what you're seeing is the interplay of attributes, and, this year, the pitcher attributes seem to matter more than they have in years past. That would affect outcomes and not make them governed simply by where the reticle is placed and your timing. The benefit or harm of that is subjective, but your ridiculous take lacks any data and compensates only with vitriol. You don't even make an attempt to account for all the variables that go into an at-bat in this game... you just wail like an infant.
No one except the developers of this game have anything more to go on than anecdotal evidence drawn from very small samples relative to the data we don't have, so anything that any one of us is saying when it comes to background mechanics is a guess. Some people know how to navigate that with a bit of class and understanding and they give their opinions with (at least some) sense of decorum. You don't.
Your diatribes are a guess at what is happening. Nothing more. The only thing verifiably true about anything you're saying is that you're throwing a tantrum over a game.
Grow up.
Ahh yes.. pitching attributes are why the worst swings are rewarded more than the good ones.
Pitching attributes do not affect the result of the squared up swing. They affect inner and out PCI size, while the confidence meter can be affect LA and ball direction, but only when a pitcher has no confidence is it noticeable.
You are reaching MASSIVELY.
Hitting attributes affect the RNG of the launch angle and the EV.
Power hitting archetypes get the most favorable flyball launch angles.
Balanced hitting archetype is in the middle.
Contact hitting archetype gets the lowest flyball LAs.
You can look this info up within the game.
It explains how the RNG works.
SDS also used to have a Community Stats page to offer a level of transparency to swing quality averages.
PPs have never been over .800.
Anyone who plays online can point out how bad the scripting is in this game. If you have 2 lineouts in an inning, your opponent is likely going to have at least one horrific swing lead to a single or double. This isn't anecdotal. It's an easy to replicate scenario.
It is more than fair to criticize this gameplay. My problem with you and commentors like you is that you are not only unreceptive to the criticism, you make sweeping conclusions about why a person is criticizing the hitting. You deserved to be called out for it because it's old, tiring and lacks any sort of nuance.
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@SpawnOfDitka_XBL, there are inputs associated with pitching, as well. Those don't matter?
I am definitely barking up the wrong tree because you aren't smart enough to think for yourself and grasp the fact that "everyone" (actually a very small sample of the game's population, but you wouldn't understand that, either) might be wrong. You just follow the crowd, thoughtlessly.
There are plenty of examples of the phenomenon... people believe that you only use 10% of your brain (though you might)... 77 million people were absolutely positive that they'd just voted for a stronger economy and no more entanglements in foreign wars... worse, still, a huge part of the population believes that there is a second "r" in sherbet.
And, yes. You're all full of [censored] if you think the game picks winners and losers based on "RNG" while ignoring user input. It plays differently this year, and you may either like that or not like that, but most of the things being bandied about as "truth" by you and the dunderheads you're defending are complete nonsense.
Learn something about small sample sizes, egocentric bias... and, my God, man, learn something about punctuation.
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@Afromeister_XBL Talk about reaching. “The worst input” isn’t resulting in the best outcomes. The worst inputs more often than not result in a swing and miss. At best it’s a foul and yes maybe we need to adjust foul [censored], but what you are saying simply isn’t true. The best inputs, perfect perfects, are a hit the vast majority of the time.
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@Afromeister_XBL said in Remember when user input mattered?:
Anyone who plays online can point out how bad the scripting is in this game. If you have 2 lineouts in an inning, your opponent is likely going to have at least one horrific swing lead to a single or double. This isn't anecdotal.
Really?
Maybe you don't know what anecdotal means?
Criticizing and airing your opinion about the game is different than being a [censored] and claiming that your opinions and the stories that you've heard are fact. People in this very thread have pointed out how you are incorrect that "squared up" [censored] aren't "rewarded" (I think it was 18 for 20 on perfect/perfects between you and opponents), so why should anyone believe anything you say? You're an unreliable narrator.
If you don't have data, you just have opinions. If you don't think that you're just spouting baseless opinions, demonstrate, using quantifiable data, how the "worst swings are rewarded more than the good ones."
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@Afromeister_XBL
Actually pal, your pea sized brain can't comprehend the simple fact that that is baseball. So don't come over here and act like your so tough and insult us when you don't know what the f**k is up because you are clueless. Also, by your hilariously stupid and futile attempt of debunking my accurate claim, nobody effing said that good inputs should always be hits. You did, buddy, so shut your mouth. Good inputs usually result in hits, however, real life does take place and sometimes find gloves. Oh, and, if somebody puts a good swing on the ball, it wouldn't be going foul, would it? Bad swings where your PCI so much as touches the ball results in a foul ball. I don't know what you're complaining about, but clearly, this doesn't penetrate your pea-sized brain. -
A perfect pinpoint pitch will not affect the result of the a person squaring up the ball.
In fact, pitching PAR is STILL bugged with pitches landing outside of the PAR region, resulting in hung pitches down the middle.
It's incredibly ironic that you are trying so hard to play the intellect card and yet you use generalities and misinformation to try and support your argument.
Just stop.
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I love the bums who come on here and complain about how the game is against them yet don't know their right from their left.
