Biggest Reason The Show is A Terrible Franchise
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@Squid_Adams_PSN Tbh … I looked into the metacritics and I have no interest basing my opinion on other‘s … and dig further. That is not my job. My job is to come to my own conclusion and make my personal buy/not-buy-decision … SDS‘s job is to react on feedback or not … and that will decide on other user‘s buy/not-buy-decision.
Again, you got good points … but I do not think, that any kind of „research“ (that is a very big task) will lead you to objective results :).
I would also love a new „The Bigs“-game (that was awesome
) … and have MLBTS be a sim … To me, the latter is one … I enjoy this game very much and I think it improved a lot over the last 2 years -
@indiansfan44_PSN exactly this. 4.4 for MLB the show 21, which many consider the Greatest version of the game but has the lowest score on here....
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@Dodgers_1890_PSN I know this is a small sample size but the creators that I watch that are playing on HOF and up are still playing a HR Derby.
And even as such the game shouldn't have to be insanely difficult in order for it not to be a HR derby. So many people on this forum act like they want every perfect perfect to be a HR (I'm not saying you do) and to me that's what's wrong with the game. But I want real baseball where bad luck happens and there are many more variables to hitting than just timing a swing. In fact to me being late or early on a swing are how you use the whole field so seeing those words used as negative swing feedback has always been weird to me. Obviously there are extremes were you are too late or too early but I can be late on a pitch and slap it the other way, if I'm perfectly timed that means I'm hitting the ball back up the middle.
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Every perfect swing should be a HR. A “perfect” swing is entirely a video game invention. There is no such thing as a perfect swing in real life because there’s no actual way to measure if the swing could have been better. A “perfect” swing is not synonymous with “high exit velocity” or “hard hit.” It is entirely a video game invention with no real life counterpart.
As entirely a video game invention, SDS chooses what it labels/classifies as “perfect.” They’ve chosen to label swings as perfect when they’re very clearly not perfect. No one is trying to swing over the ball and hit a ground ball for a double play so labelling GIDP swings as “perfect” because the bottom of the three PCI dots covers the ball is absurd.
Does that mean all swings currently classified/labelled in-game as perfect should be HRs? No. The feedback system is a significant problem with the game as it doesn’t guide players to make optimal swings. For example, it’s better to be just early or early than good on swings in the middle of the plate. Why are bad swings labelled as good when they’re not actually good swings? They need to overhaul the feedback so that it matches the results and properly guides players to what they should be trying to do.
If you’re going to have a video game mechanic labelling swings as perfect, those swings need to be HRs 100% of the time. That shouldn’t be controversial. It’s basic common sense. No one is hitting a double and saying they couldn’t have done better. And again, it’s entirely a video game invention. It’s not “that’s baseball.” It isn’t baseball. The label doesn’t exist in real life.
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I wouldnt go as far as to say its a terrible franchise but they're gonna have to do some serious work if they wanna keep people next year once GTA 6 comes out. Ive already given up this year as there are at least 4-5 games out or on the way that are more fun right now and ive already decided not to buy next year. Im not wasting $100 on basically a rental because once GTA 6 drops, thats all ill be on for the rest of 2026 and beyond.
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@RealPudgyPanda_MLBTS Respectfully, I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Perfect swings are synonymous with hard hit balls aka "barreled" baseballs. You can barrel a ball and hit into a double play or a double or even a homerun. If you hit a HR every time you get a perfect swing then that's arcade baseball. And while there may be a place for that The Show is not it. The Show is first and foremost a baseball sim and IMO it should stay that way. Historically arcade baseball games don't have the staying power, and to me that's because it's only entertaining to hit a homerun every at bat for so long.
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@trfatboy22_MLBTS said in Biggest Reason The Show is A Terrible Franchise:
Perfect swings are synonymous with hard hit balls aka "barreled" baseballs.
They’re not. They never have been. You can get “perfect” swings in the game that do not even count under the game’s own hard hit filter while regularly having “non-perfect” swings that do. You just tell that lie to yourself to cope with a terribly designed and executed video game mechanic.
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@RealPudgyPanda_MLBTS It depends if you are talking about perfect timing or perfect perfect. Because there has never been a perfect-perfect in my game that wasn't barreled and over 100EV. If you just mean perfect timing then of course because the pci is what gives you the barrel, not the timing.
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Literally, as I read your comment, I hit a 93 mph line drive on a perfect swing. (People say “perfect-perfect” because of the animation saying “perfect” twice. A perfect swing requires both timing and PCI to be correct. If only one is correct, they don’t get called “perfect.” The PCI is just labelled 15 or the timing is labelled good, but “perfect” label only applies to both qualifying. “Perfect-perfect” isn’t actually a thing outside of the animation.)
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@RealPudgyPanda_MLBTS What power does your batter have? What was the pitch speed? What was the pitch? What are the pitchers attributes? You realize all of these things apply to this right?
Regardless I personally have never experienced a perfect perfect that wasn't hard contact (characterized as 95 EV+) so you're barely below the threshold there still.
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Such a weird community. If someone hated Olive Garden this much -- but continued to spend their time and money eating at Olive Garden, then spent even more free time visiting Olive Garden forums where they complain about Olive Garden -- we would have serious questions about their sanity.
Here's a fair question: if you hate it so much, why do you continue to play it? We get threads like this every week and no one has ever answered this question. If you hate it... stop spending your time and money and energy and brain cycles on it. Go do something you enjoy.
Good gravy.
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Perfect Perfect is a 2 dimensional solution to a 3 dimensional world.
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There is no point to discussing any of that. You’re not evaluating the game mechanic for what it is. You’re just trying to find some way to ignore the obvious, that it’s a game mechanic that SDS invented where what it says happened and results the user gets are disconnected. This is why 99.999999% of the discussions on here about gameplay are useless. You want a game that plays like X and so you find any way to convince yourself any part of the game that resembles X is good even when that part of the game is a complete mess that turns people off from playing the game. The mechanic inherently triggers excitement and then frustration/anger because it tells the user they’ve been perfect when they don’t get results that resemble being perfect.
Hard hits and perfect swings are not synonymous in this game. Using real life hard hits to justify perfect swings not being HRs is complete nonsense. Hard hits are not synonymous with a perfect swing. Perfect swings aren’t actually a thing. It is purely a make-believe video game mechanic which actively sabotages the player’s playing experience.
Trying to talk about anything other than, “Why would SDS think it’s a good idea to intentionally mislead the user?” is just you misdirecting because you cannot actually stay on topic because the game mechanic is just terribly designed and terribly executed. We don’t need to talk about what pitch was thrown. That’s wholly irrelevant to the topic. That’s just complete misdirection.
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@RealPudgyPanda_MLBTS Well if you are going to dismiss my points out of hand then there is no use in trying to have a productive discussion. If you want to try and have that at another time when you are less frustrated I'd be happy to do so. Until then suffice it to say I very much disagree with you about the reasoning for the game and the player experience that SDS is setting out to provide.
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Your analogy is not relevant at all. If I hate something about Olive Garden, which I do by the way, there are a million other alternative Italian style restaurants to choose from. Or I can just make something great to eat at home.
If I hate the direction that this game is going there are no other viable baseball video game alternatives. This game once was great and still has the potential to be that for baseball fanatics like me.
However, SDS continues to make decisions that allow for subpar gameplay mechanics as well as questionable content and market decisions that absolutely take away a lot of enjoyment from the gaming experience.
In other words it’s not as simple as choosing another video game until a viable competitor enters the conversation. If that ever happens then you would be absolutely right in that I should choose that option if it better scratched my baseball itch.
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@TripleH-4481_PSN said in Biggest Reason The Show is A Terrible Franchise:
Your analogy is not relevant at all. If I hate something about Olive Garden, which I do by the way, there are a million other alternative Italian style restaurants to choose from. Or I can just make something great to eat at home.
If I hate the direction that this game is going there are no other viable baseball video game alternatives. This game once was great and still has the potential to be that for baseball fanatics like me.
However, SDS continues to make decisions that allow for subpar gameplay mechanics as well as questionable content and market decisions that absolutely take away a lot of enjoyment from the gaming experience.
In other words it’s not as simple as choosing another video game until a viable competitor enters the conversation. If that ever happens then you would be absolutely right in that I should choose that option if it better scratched my baseball itch.
lol ok. My analogy is spot on. You’re wasting your life on something you hate. That’s insane. This isn’t your job. It’s your leisure time. It’s absurd to spend your leisure time doing something you don’t enjoy. That defeats the purpose of leisure. Do stuff you enjoy. I assume you’re a young’n. Once you reach your 40s you’ll understand how precious and fleeting and short these years are. There’s no sense in torturing yourself when you’re supposed to be having fun. I wish I had known that when I was younger. But if someone has told me what I’m saying right now, I’m sure I’d respond with the same kind of attitude. So I guess one day you’ll be telling the next generation of kids to stop playing MLB The Show 39 if they hate it so much.
