I Truly Hate This Year
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Yeah I hear what your saying, but my issue is that when trying to complete a program, moonshot for example, I was trying to build a team, but I couldn't use cards based on the restrictions on sets. I'm confused as to why that is.
Might be my lack attention this year because I was so turned off by the sets.
Anyway if I'm wrong, screwed up, don't understand, etc. I still play but easily my least favorite game in the past 5 years. -
@elway7751_PSN said in I Truly Hate This Year:
Yeah I hear what your saying, but my issue is that when trying to complete a program, moonshot for example, I was trying to build a team, but I couldn't use cards based on the restrictions on sets. I'm confused as to why that is.
Might be my lack attention this year because I was so turned off by the sets.
Anyway if I'm wrong, screwed up, don't understand, etc. I still play but easily my least favorite game in the past 5 years.You can't use the set 1 in competitive online (except as a wild card), but you can use them in casual online, vs cpu, and many of the conquest maps. The offline modes are better to grind for moonshot anyway, so the set 1 cards can be used there.
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@Pennstatefencer_MLBTS said in I Truly Hate This Year:
@elway7751_PSN said in I Truly Hate This Year:
I absolutely despise the set thing going on this year.
If I have a card I want to use just let me use it, who cares if it's in everybody's lineup, that doesn't mean I'm better or worse.
This game was very tiring this year having to go through the grind and semi exhausting pain of trying to piece together a lineup just to play a ranked game.
I sure hope there are major changes next year in terms of sets. I hope thus was a one year mistake.It's uncommon for a company to make a drastic change like this, and then reverse course due to a little negative feedback. How many people complained about moments back in 19? Moments are still around and are not going anywhere.
I'm pretty sure sets will be around in one form or another for years to come. They want people spending a ton of stubs on multiple versions of the same player, and expiring sets is a great way for them to make that happen. The best we can probably hope for is the usual "we heard the feedback from the community" speech, and for them to tweak the formula a bit.
It's all about player engagement and reoccurring purchases if people want to see change stop playing the game and buying stubs it's really that simple
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@jaychvz_XBL said in I Truly Hate This Year:
I think your just a complainer , the set isn't over yet and you're already complaining. Everyone is going to lose the set cards . So you'll be even with everyone, plus you can use ALL your cards in casual .
Changes are made in sports all the time for competitive balance.
Basketball didn't use to have the 24 second clock .
Football changes rules all the time .Ok, for one I'm not complaining.
I'm explaining one thing I do not like genius.
Secondly, the game plays fine. They didn't change rules tor competitive balance, they changed the way your able to set your lineup based on availability of cards, so how in the hell does that equate to a rules change to make the game better. -
It ruined this year in my opinion. I put in a lot of hours at the beginning of the year and has tapered off quicker than it ever has. I haven’t logged on in a week and might not log in again unless I’m firing up a new RTTS or something.
I used to really enjoy trying to parallel players and build my Rockies TT. This year they ruined TTs and paralleling cards is pointless when they basically become unusable by P5.
Not to mention the programs are just set collection cards because half of them are recycled and lesser versions of other cards.
If this is how it is next year, I 100% won’t be buying.
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@Pennstatefencer_MLBTS said in I Truly Hate This Year:
They want people spending a ton of stubs on multiple versions of the same player, and expiring sets is a great way for them to make that happen.
The "user" in me says, "This model is terrible. I want to spend my $99 and be able to get every card in the game just like last year".
The "accountant" in me says "This model makes perfect sense".
I would love to see an SDS income statement year-over-year. I'm wondering how much additional revenue they've pulled in from moving to this model.
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I don’t hate this year. I give them credit for trying something different. But, this ain’t it.
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@jaychvz_XBL said in I Truly Hate This Year:
I think your just a complainer , the set isn't over yet and you're already complaining. Everyone is going to lose the set cards . So you'll be even with everyone, plus you can use ALL your cards in casual .
Changes are made in sports all the time for competitive balance.
Basketball didn't use to have the 24 second clock .
Football changes rules all the time .Probably the worst explanation or pro argument for sets ive seen. "Your just a complainer" , followed by sports change rules all the time.
Do better
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@arvcpa_MLBTS said in I Truly Hate This Year:
@Pennstatefencer_MLBTS said in I Truly Hate This Year:
I would love to see an SDS income statement year-over-year. I'm wondering how much additional revenue they've pulled in from moving to this model.Boy I would too! I’d love to see if it’s affected the player base also to be honest. When I saw that only a thousand people had that acquired that Nicky Lopez card it got me wondering all sorts of things.
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@Bearsfan217_XBL said in I Truly Hate This Year:
@jaychvz_XBL said in I Truly Hate This Year:
I think your just a complainer , the set isn't over yet and you're already complaining. Everyone is going to lose the set cards . So you'll be even with everyone, plus you can use ALL your cards in casual .
Changes are made in sports all the time for competitive balance.
Basketball didn't use to have the 24 second clock .
Football changes rules all the time .Probably the worst explanation or pro argument for sets ive seen. "Your just a complainer" , followed by sports change rules all the time.
Do better
Maybe I need to articulate my point gooder. My point is this guy is complaining about sets and cards expiring and I explained he is merely a complainer because he will not be at a distinct disadvantage because everyone will have their cards expire.
The rule change point is because the expiring cards are a change .
I mentioned that sports and other organizations change the rules all the time for a variety of reasons .
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@elway7751_PSN said in I Truly Hate This Year:
I absolutely despise the set thing going on this year.
If I have a card I want to use just let me use it, who cares if it's in everybody's lineup, that doesn't mean I'm better or worse.
This game was very tiring this year having to go through the grind and semi exhausting pain of trying to piece together a lineup just to play a ranked game.
I sure hope there are major changes next year in terms of sets. I hope thus was a one year mistake.Take the survey! Give them the feedback directly.
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@jaychvz_XBL said
Maybe I need to articulate my point gooder. My point is this guy is complaining about sets and cards expiring and I explained he is merely a complainer because he will not be at a distinct disadvantage because everyone will have their cards expire.
A lot of the Community, myself included, has communicated their dissatisfaction with expiring cards from the onset and the complaints have nothing to do with having, or not having, an advantage over someone in a RS game.
Expiring cards (in relation to RS H2H within the annual game cycle), has more to do with:
- Not being able to use your favorite cards (regardless of its rating) in a RS game for much of the game cycle.
- Paralleling a card is not as rewarding since they expire.
- Grinding for, or purchasing, a card is not as fulfilling since they are temporary.
- Forming Captain and theme teams are more difficult due to having to find replacements every couple of months.
- Etc.
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@Blind_Bleeder said in
Take the survey! Give them the feedback directly.
I took the survey and do not recall anything being asked regarding sets or expiring cards. They must already have a good idea of the community's opinion on that issue, which may not matter, unfortunately.
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@Einarr44_PSN said in I Truly Hate This Year:
@jaychvz_XBL said
Maybe I need to articulate my point gooder. My point is this guy is complaining about sets and cards expiring and I explained he is merely a complainer because he will not be at a distinct disadvantage because everyone will have their cards expire.
A lot of the Community, myself included, has communicated their dissatisfaction with expiring cards from the onset and the complaints have nothing to do with having, or not having, an advantage over someone in a RS game.
Expiring cards (in relation to RS H2H within the annual game cycle), has more to do with:
- Not being able to use your favorite cards (regardless of its rating) in a RS game for much of the game cycle.
- Paralleling a card is not as rewarding since they expire.
- Grinding for, or purchasing, a card is not as fulfilling since they are temporary.
- Forming Captain and theme teams are more difficult due to having to find replacements every couple of months.
- Etc.
You laid out your argument against the sets/seasons quite well and I am in agreement 100%…. We will see what they do next year, I would expect some tweaks as I doubt they scrap after year one.
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@Einarr44_PSN said in I Truly Hate This Year:
@jaychvz_XBL said
Maybe I need to articulate my point gooder. My point is this guy is complaining about sets and cards expiring and I explained he is merely a complainer because he will not be at a distinct disadvantage because everyone will have their cards expire.
A lot of the Community, myself included, has communicated their dissatisfaction with expiring cards from the onset and the complaints have nothing to do with having, or not having, an advantage over someone in a RS game.
Expiring cards (in relation to RS H2H within the annual game cycle), has more to do with:
- Not being able to use your favorite cards (regardless of its rating) in a RS game for much of the game cycle.
- Paralleling a card is not as rewarding since they expire.
- Grinding for, or purchasing, a card is not as fulfilling since they are temporary.
- Forming Captain and theme teams are more difficult due to having to find replacements every couple of months.
- Etc.
They have lots of comment boxes asking about programs and season 3. That's where I put my comments. I made sure they were relevant to the question, but I made sure my opinion was stated.
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@Blind_Bleeder said in
They have lots of comment boxes asking about programs and season 3. That's where I put my comments. I made sure they were relevant to the question, but I made sure my opinion was stated.
Thanks, I just took the one available through this forum. Weirdly, this survey was very different than the one they emailed to me this morning.
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@arvcpa_MLBTS said in I Truly Hate This Year:
@Pennstatefencer_MLBTS said in I Truly Hate This Year:
They want people spending a ton of stubs on multiple versions of the same player, and expiring sets is a great way for them to make that happen.
The "user" in me says, "This model is terrible. I want to spend my $99 and be able to get every card in the game just like last year".
The "accountant" in me says "This model makes perfect sense".
I would love to see an SDS income statement year-over-year. I'm wondering how much additional revenue they've pulled in from moving to this model.
I just feel like I paid for a product and then was told how I will use it. I know its on me even if I didn't completely understand the parameters in the beginning. I just never thought it would play out this way. Mindless grinds for inferior cards only to exchange them for the likes of 99 Chipper, 99 Pedro, 99 Aaron, 99 Randy etc. only to see them disappear. Rinse, cycle, repeat. I feel like I've been given the finger after buying the game every year since they were 989 Sports. For some it doesn't matter but for others its like the straw and the camel.
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@TEXAS10PT_PSN said in I Truly Hate This Year:
@arvcpa_MLBTS said in I Truly Hate This Year:
@Pennstatefencer_MLBTS said in I Truly Hate This Year:
They want people spending a ton of stubs on multiple versions of the same player, and expiring sets is a great way for them to make that happen.
The "user" in me says, "This model is terrible. I want to spend my $99 and be able to get every card in the game just like last year".
The "accountant" in me says "This model makes perfect sense".
I would love to see an SDS income statement year-over-year. I'm wondering how much additional revenue they've pulled in from moving to this model.
I just feel like I paid for a product and then was told how I will use it. I know its on me even if I didn't completely understand the parameters in the beginning. I just never thought it would play out this way. Mindless grinds for inferior cards only to exchange them for the likes of 99 Chipper, 99 Pedro, 99 Aaron, 99 Randy etc. only to see them disappear. Rinse, cycle, repeat. I feel like I've been given the finger after buying the game every year since they were 989 Sports. For some it doesn't matter but for others its like the straw and the camel.
I didn't read or listen to any pre-release info so I guess that's on me. I'd never have dreamed they do something as boneheaded as expiring cards though.
It's pretty much burned all the goodwill they'd built up in this one baffling decision. Well, that and the other obvious pushes towards more monetization.
This is very likely the last year I play.
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Not saying this format 'hit a home run'; but at least you all have the option to play.
Due to my stroke I had during my neck surgery; I haven't been able to play since the end of Season 2 and probably won't be able to play until next year, if at all.
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@jake98833_PSN said in I Truly Hate This Year:
@Pennstatefencer_MLBTS said in I Truly Hate This Year:
@elway7751_PSN said in I Truly Hate This Year:
I absolutely despise the set thing going on this year.
If I have a card I want to use just let me use it, who cares if it's in everybody's lineup, that doesn't mean I'm better or worse.
This game was very tiring this year having to go through the grind and semi exhausting pain of trying to piece together a lineup just to play a ranked game.
I sure hope there are major changes next year in terms of sets. I hope thus was a one year mistake.It's uncommon for a company to make a drastic change like this, and then reverse course due to a little negative feedback. How many people complained about moments back in 19? Moments are still around and are not going anywhere.
I'm pretty sure sets will be around in one form or another for years to come. They want people spending a ton of stubs on multiple versions of the same player, and expiring sets is a great way for them to make that happen. The best we can probably hope for is the usual "we heard the feedback from the community" speech, and for them to tweak the formula a bit.
It's all about player engagement and reoccurring purchases if people want to see change stop playing the game and buying stubs it's really that simple
100 take a stand
