Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games
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I am a directional/timing hitter exclusively. I played online enough to get the Easter Eggs from earlier in this season.
I won a RS game in extra innings. But got destroyed in 2 Events games and 2 BR games. I mean hammered to no end.
When I play versus CPU, I find that if I swing at anything out of the strike zone, I miss. Even with “good” feedback, if it’s too high, too low, or outside, it’s a miss!
So, yeah, I’m not sure I have an advantage!
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You get better results with PCI if you time up and square up a ball. But with the foul ball and Pin point issues being a directional/timing hitter has its advantages. So you face a guy online. He’s swinging at close pitches and either fouling off or letting close pitches go. You get up 0-2 he’s Goulding everything off. Then a perfect perfect pin point pitch that just tails off right down the middle of the plate boom. Rinse and repeat. You try this with PCI I’m not an awful hitter but I do miss pitches under or over….but I miss it sometimes timing just time it up. It does need to be addressed it’s annoying.
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@StoneColdKevvy_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
Does anyone else feel like the swing interface "timing" needs to be removed from Diamond Dynasty ranked games? I mean, I thought ranked games were meant to show how skilled someone is, not how well they can sit there and press a button. In my opinion, it needs to be gone from ranked and should only be used in offline or casual games. Thoughts?
I don't understand why people are so bent on not allowing certain interfaces. And, no, RS does not exist to show how skilled someone is; it exists so people can play against real opponents in 9 inning games.
I'm something close to 68-50 in RS, overall, exclusively with Timing, which isn't half bad when compared to winning percentages in real baseball. I'm good with that. I also like that Timing actually makes timing windows matter; Zone allows for a lot more leeway with regard to timing windows (early or late swing HRs, specifically), and being that timing is what matters most when actually hitting, I find it appropriate that timing should be the focus of a hitting interface (though I don't care for the single button-push - I like analog, both because it feels more like controlling a swing and because it does allow for user input to at least choose the third of the zone through which your barrel moves).
Bottom line, for me, is that I find it to be a more enjoyable experience. People are correct in saying that using those interfaces puts you at a disadvantage if your goal is to win as many games as possible, so why force people to use an interface they find antithetical to everything that is baseball when those with "skill" should dispatch us with ease, anyway?
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@The_Joneser_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@StoneColdKevvy_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
Bottom line, for me, is that I find it to be a more enjoyable experience. People are correct in saying that using those interfaces puts you at a disadvantage if your goal is to win as many games as possible, so why force people to use an interface they find antithetical to everything that is baseball when those with "skill" should dispatch us with ease, anyway?Wasn’t sure how I felt about this until I read this response. That was well stated and you totally sold me on your perspective for what it’s worth.
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When a batter swings in real life. Does he adjust for pitch location or just time the pitch and hope it hits his bat?
The advantage of timing is pitch location does not matter and takes out half the chess game of pitcher/batter. I can pound inside fbs in key situations and get my opponent to want to sit up high on fb...and then change location on them and even with good timing of the fb theyd miss due to location. So timing is not the only factor...and try timing a pitch while also moving the pci to get contact. That is inherently harder and should be rewarded more but its not.
RS is for user for user skill. Its set to competitive settings which states that. Then you are rewarded w better players the farther you make it.
Theres no reason for timing/direction only online unless unranked. I wanna know whos hitting hrs while being late w zone? Its a popout almost every time if youre barely above the inner pci and late.
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@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
When a batter swings in real life. Does he adjust for pitch location or just time the pitch and hope it hits his bat?
A major league hitter, in particular--but anyone who had played a lot of baseball--has taken so many swings and drilled swings to specific locations (tees, toss, etc) for so long that adjusting for location when batting is muscle memory. It's timing that screws with that; you decide, too early or too late, where the swing should be and you choose the wrong location because the pitcher has deceived you and disrupted your timing.
Maybe you know more than Warren Spahn, but I happen to trust his take a bit more.
The advantage of timing is pitch location does not matter
I use analog, so it absolutely does, but even if someone simply pushes a button, a well-placed pitch beats timing/directional roughly 76% of the time (most timing/directional players hit about .240). Anyone with "skill" should do pretty well against those odds.
and takes out half the chess game of pitcher/batter.
Playing Missile Command while batting adds nothing to this aspect of the game.
I can pound inside fbs in key situations and get my opponent to want to sit up high on fb...and then change location on them and even with good timing of the fb theyd miss due to location. So timing is not the only factor
Again, with analog, that plays out the same way for you--except I'll actually swing and miss instead of foul it off. With a button-push, you're still looking at that 76%.
...and try timing a pitch while also moving the pci to get contact. That is inherently harder and should be rewarded more but its not.
It is clearly rewarded more, or no one would use it.
RS is for user for user skill. Its set to competitive settings which states that. Then you are rewarded w better players the farther you make it.
If RS was meant to exclude a particular interface, you wouldn't be allowed to use it.
Theres no reason for timing/direction only online unless unranked.
I prefer ranked to unranked, so I'll keep doing that, but thanks for being so open minded.
I wanna know whos hitting hrs while being late w zone? Its a popout almost every time if youre barely above the inner pci and late.
It should be weak contact most of the time, so that's a good thing. But it does happen, unless the in-game feedback has been lying to me. I'm not saying that it happens as often as it does with early swings (this should be rare, also), but it does happen.
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@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
When a batter swings in real life. Does he adjust for pitch location or just time the pitch and hope it hits his bat?
The advantage of timing is pitch location does not matter and takes out half the chess game of pitcher/batter. I can pound inside fbs in key situations and get my opponent to want to sit up high on fb...and then change location on them and even with good timing of the fb theyd miss due to location. So timing is not the only factor...and try timing a pitch while also moving the pci to get contact. That is inherently harder and should be rewarded more but its not.
RS is for user for user skill. Its set to competitive settings which states that. Then you are rewarded w better players the farther you make it.
Theres no reason for timing/direction only online unless unranked. I wanna know whos hitting hrs while being late w zone? Its a popout almost every time if youre barely above the inner pci and late.
Your last paragraph is so false lol lots of zone hitters have hit late homeruns, I’ve hit plenty.
Also there are a lot of people that play this game that physically can’t use zone because of physical ailments (cerebral palsy, lost arm in a car accident, born without a hand) and those are just a few I’ve seen from people on Facebook
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@The_Joneser_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
When a batter swings in real life. Does he adjust for pitch location or just time the pitch and hope it hits his bat?
A major league hitter, in particular--but anyone who had played a lot of baseball--has taken so many swings and drilled swings to specific locations (tees, toss, etc) for so long that adjusting for location when batting is muscle memory. It's timing that screws with that; you decide, too early or too late, where the swing should be and you choose the wrong location because the pitcher has deceived you and disrupted your timing.
Maybe you know more than Warren Spahn, but I happen to trust his take a bit more.
The advantage of timing is pitch location does not matter
I use analog, so it absolutely does, but even if someone simply pushes a button, a well-placed pitch beats timing/directional roughly 76% of the time (most timing/directional players hit about .240). Anyone with "skill" should do pretty well against those odds.
and takes out half the chess game of pitcher/batter.
Playing Missile Command while batting adds nothing to this aspect of the game.
I can pound inside fbs in key situations and get my opponent to want to sit up high on fb...and then change location on them and even with good timing of the fb theyd miss due to location. So timing is not the only factor
Again, with analog, that plays out the same way for you--except I'll actually swing and miss instead of foul it off. With a button-push, you're still looking at that 76%.
...and try timing a pitch while also moving the pci to get contact. That is inherently harder and should be rewarded more but its not.
It is clearly rewarded more, or no one would use it.
RS is for user for user skill. Its set to competitive settings which states that. Then you are rewarded w better players the farther you make it.
If RS was meant to exclude a particular interface, you wouldn't be allowed to use it.
Theres no reason for timing/direction only online unless unranked.
I prefer ranked to unranked, so I'll keep doing that, but thanks for being so open minded.
I wanna know whos hitting hrs while being late w zone? Its a popout almost every time if youre barely above the inner pci and late.
It should be weak contact most of the time, so that's a good thing. But it does happen, unless the in-game feedback has been lying to me. I'm not saying that it happens as often as it does with early swings (this should be rare, also), but it does happen.
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So pitch location has zero to due with hitting? So if i swing w perfect timing every time at the same level..im gonna magically hit a ball at my knees because..well muscle memory?? Even when you hit off a tee...coaches move the tee around to different get this...locations.
If i used timing only and swung with power every time those just late swings would be hrs.
Pure analog doesnt make the user take location into effect either.
In RS w contact and power maxed. Letting the cpu "AIM" for you, esp on AS level, is an advantage esp if you swing w power every time.
Yes online should be user vs user. Not user vs cpu.
I guess we should just select a pitch and let the cpu do the rest too.
️Also..for the handicapped...nothing prevents them from playing the game online. Just not ranked.
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@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@The_Joneser_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
When a batter swings in real life. Does he adjust for pitch location or just time the pitch and hope it hits his bat?
A major league hitter, in particular--but anyone who had played a lot of baseball--has taken so many swings and drilled swings to specific locations (tees, toss, etc) for so long that adjusting for location when batting is muscle memory. It's timing that screws with that; you decide, too early or too late, where the swing should be and you choose the wrong location because the pitcher has deceived you and disrupted your timing.
Maybe you know more than Warren Spahn, but I happen to trust his take a bit more.
The advantage of timing is pitch location does not matter
I use analog, so it absolutely does, but even if someone simply pushes a button, a well-placed pitch beats timing/directional roughly 76% of the time (most timing/directional players hit about .240). Anyone with "skill" should do pretty well against those odds.
and takes out half the chess game of pitcher/batter.
Playing Missile Command while batting adds nothing to this aspect of the game.
I can pound inside fbs in key situations and get my opponent to want to sit up high on fb...and then change location on them and even with good timing of the fb theyd miss due to location. So timing is not the only factor
Again, with analog, that plays out the same way for you--except I'll actually swing and miss instead of foul it off. With a button-push, you're still looking at that 76%.
...and try timing a pitch while also moving the pci to get contact. That is inherently harder and should be rewarded more but its not.
It is clearly rewarded more, or no one would use it.
RS is for user for user skill. Its set to competitive settings which states that. Then you are rewarded w better players the farther you make it.
If RS was meant to exclude a particular interface, you wouldn't be allowed to use it.
Theres no reason for timing/direction only online unless unranked.
I prefer ranked to unranked, so I'll keep doing that, but thanks for being so open minded.
I wanna know whos hitting hrs while being late w zone? Its a popout almost every time if youre barely above the inner pci and late.
It should be weak contact most of the time, so that's a good thing. But it does happen, unless the in-game feedback has been lying to me. I'm not saying that it happens as often as it does with early swings (this should be rare, also), but it does happen.
I
So pitch location has zero to due with hitting? So if i swing w perfect timing every time at the same level..im gonna magically hit a ball at my knees because..well muscle memory?? Even when you hit off a tee...coaches move the tee around to different get this...locations.
If i used timing only and swung with power every time those just late swings would be hrs.
Pure analog doesnt make the user take location into effect either.
In RS w contact and power maxed. Letting the cpu "AIM" for you, esp on AS level, is an advantage esp if you swing w power every time.
Yes online should be user vs user. Not user vs cpu.
I guess we should just select a pitch and let the cpu do the rest too.️Also..for the handicapped...nothing prevents them from playing the game online. Just not ranked.
So basically you’re against handicapped people playing the game?
Sorry you lose to players using timing and directional. That’s completely on you.
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@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@The_Joneser_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
When a batter swings in real life. Does he adjust for pitch location or just time the pitch and hope it hits his bat?
A major league hitter, in particular--but anyone who had played a lot of baseball--has taken so many swings and drilled swings to specific locations (tees, toss, etc) for so long that adjusting for location when batting is muscle memory. It's timing that screws with that; you decide, too early or too late, where the swing should be and you choose the wrong location because the pitcher has deceived you and disrupted your timing.
Maybe you know more than Warren Spahn, but I happen to trust his take a bit more.
The advantage of timing is pitch location does not matter
I use analog, so it absolutely does, but even if someone simply pushes a button, a well-placed pitch beats timing/directional roughly 76% of the time (most timing/directional players hit about .240). Anyone with "skill" should do pretty well against those odds.
and takes out half the chess game of pitcher/batter.
Playing Missile Command while batting adds nothing to this aspect of the game.
I can pound inside fbs in key situations and get my opponent to want to sit up high on fb...and then change location on them and even with good timing of the fb theyd miss due to location. So timing is not the only factor
Again, with analog, that plays out the same way for you--except I'll actually swing and miss instead of foul it off. With a button-push, you're still looking at that 76%.
...and try timing a pitch while also moving the pci to get contact. That is inherently harder and should be rewarded more but its not.
It is clearly rewarded more, or no one would use it.
RS is for user for user skill. Its set to competitive settings which states that. Then you are rewarded w better players the farther you make it.
If RS was meant to exclude a particular interface, you wouldn't be allowed to use it.
Theres no reason for timing/direction only online unless unranked.
I prefer ranked to unranked, so I'll keep doing that, but thanks for being so open minded.
I wanna know whos hitting hrs while being late w zone? Its a popout almost every time if youre barely above the inner pci and late.
It should be weak contact most of the time, so that's a good thing. But it does happen, unless the in-game feedback has been lying to me. I'm not saying that it happens as often as it does with early swings (this should be rare, also), but it does happen.
I
So pitch location has zero to due with hitting? So if i swing w perfect timing every time at the same level..im gonna magically hit a ball at my knees because..well muscle memory?? Even when you hit off a tee...coaches move the tee around to different get this...locations.
If i used timing only and swung with power every time those just late swings would be hrs.
Prove it, use timing next season and make World Series if it’s so effective.
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@The_Canuckler said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@The_Joneser_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
When a batter swings in real life. Does he adjust for pitch location or just time the pitch and hope it hits his bat?
A major league hitter, in particular--but anyone who had played a lot of baseball--has taken so many swings and drilled swings to specific locations (tees, toss, etc) for so long that adjusting for location when batting is muscle memory. It's timing that screws with that; you decide, too early or too late, where the swing should be and you choose the wrong location because the pitcher has deceived you and disrupted your timing.
Maybe you know more than Warren Spahn, but I happen to trust his take a bit more.
The advantage of timing is pitch location does not matter
I use analog, so it absolutely does, but even if someone simply pushes a button, a well-placed pitch beats timing/directional roughly 76% of the time (most timing/directional players hit about .240). Anyone with "skill" should do pretty well against those odds.
and takes out half the chess game of pitcher/batter.
Playing Missile Command while batting adds nothing to this aspect of the game.
I can pound inside fbs in key situations and get my opponent to want to sit up high on fb...and then change location on them and even with good timing of the fb theyd miss due to location. So timing is not the only factor
Again, with analog, that plays out the same way for you--except I'll actually swing and miss instead of foul it off. With a button-push, you're still looking at that 76%.
...and try timing a pitch while also moving the pci to get contact. That is inherently harder and should be rewarded more but its not.
It is clearly rewarded more, or no one would use it.
RS is for user for user skill. Its set to competitive settings which states that. Then you are rewarded w better players the farther you make it.
If RS was meant to exclude a particular interface, you wouldn't be allowed to use it.
Theres no reason for timing/direction only online unless unranked.
I prefer ranked to unranked, so I'll keep doing that, but thanks for being so open minded.
I wanna know whos hitting hrs while being late w zone? Its a popout almost every time if youre barely above the inner pci and late.
It should be weak contact most of the time, so that's a good thing. But it does happen, unless the in-game feedback has been lying to me. I'm not saying that it happens as often as it does with early swings (this should be rare, also), but it does happen.
I
So pitch location has zero to due with hitting? So if i swing w perfect timing every time at the same level..im gonna magically hit a ball at my knees because..well muscle memory?? Even when you hit off a tee...coaches move the tee around to different get this...locations.
If i used timing only and swung with power every time those just late swings would be hrs.
Pure analog doesnt make the user take location into effect either.
In RS w contact and power maxed. Letting the cpu "AIM" for you, esp on AS level, is an advantage esp if you swing w power every time.
Yes online should be user vs user. Not user vs cpu.
I guess we should just select a pitch and let the cpu do the rest too.️Also..for the handicapped...nothing prevents them from playing the game online. Just not ranked.
So basically you’re against handicapped people playing the game?
Sorry you lose to players using timing and directional. That’s completely on you.
Youre quite touchy w the handicap talk. Calm down. Ya when its handicapped and made easier to hit. Yes.. i lose at times. Havent made world series w zone. Go ahead and get to hof level hitting and see how long ya last in it w zone.
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Man im about to try directional timing
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@Bearsfan217_XBL said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
Man im about to try directional timing
Amen. I saw mention of a batting tee I’m looking for that
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@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@The_Canuckler said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@The_Joneser_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
When a batter swings in real life. Does he adjust for pitch location or just time the pitch and hope it hits his bat?
A major league hitter, in particular--but anyone who had played a lot of baseball--has taken so many swings and drilled swings to specific locations (tees, toss, etc) for so long that adjusting for location when batting is muscle memory. It's timing that screws with that; you decide, too early or too late, where the swing should be and you choose the wrong location because the pitcher has deceived you and disrupted your timing.
Maybe you know more than Warren Spahn, but I happen to trust his take a bit more.
The advantage of timing is pitch location does not matter
I use analog, so it absolutely does, but even if someone simply pushes a button, a well-placed pitch beats timing/directional roughly 76% of the time (most timing/directional players hit about .240). Anyone with "skill" should do pretty well against those odds.
and takes out half the chess game of pitcher/batter.
Playing Missile Command while batting adds nothing to this aspect of the game.
I can pound inside fbs in key situations and get my opponent to want to sit up high on fb...and then change location on them and even with good timing of the fb theyd miss due to location. So timing is not the only factor
Again, with analog, that plays out the same way for you--except I'll actually swing and miss instead of foul it off. With a button-push, you're still looking at that 76%.
...and try timing a pitch while also moving the pci to get contact. That is inherently harder and should be rewarded more but its not.
It is clearly rewarded more, or no one would use it.
RS is for user for user skill. Its set to competitive settings which states that. Then you are rewarded w better players the farther you make it.
If RS was meant to exclude a particular interface, you wouldn't be allowed to use it.
Theres no reason for timing/direction only online unless unranked.
I prefer ranked to unranked, so I'll keep doing that, but thanks for being so open minded.
I wanna know whos hitting hrs while being late w zone? Its a popout almost every time if youre barely above the inner pci and late.
It should be weak contact most of the time, so that's a good thing. But it does happen, unless the in-game feedback has been lying to me. I'm not saying that it happens as often as it does with early swings (this should be rare, also), but it does happen.
I
So pitch location has zero to due with hitting? So if i swing w perfect timing every time at the same level..im gonna magically hit a ball at my knees because..well muscle memory?? Even when you hit off a tee...coaches move the tee around to different get this...locations.
If i used timing only and swung with power every time those just late swings would be hrs.
Pure analog doesnt make the user take location into effect either.
In RS w contact and power maxed. Letting the cpu "AIM" for you, esp on AS level, is an advantage esp if you swing w power every time.
Yes online should be user vs user. Not user vs cpu.
I guess we should just select a pitch and let the cpu do the rest too.️Also..for the handicapped...nothing prevents them from playing the game online. Just not ranked.
So basically you’re against handicapped people playing the game?
Sorry you lose to players using timing and directional. That’s completely on you.
Youre quite touchy w the handicap talk. Calm down. Ya when its handicapped and made easier to hit. Yes.. i lose at times. Havent made world series w zone. Go ahead and get to hof level hitting and see how long ya last in it w zone.
But carry on white knight.Well, I’ve been World Series every month since 2017 using exclusively zone, there was a time when I was a top 50 lifetime player all while using zone. So… yea I’d say I last quite well using zone.
And the handicap thing I don’t have time for because I know people with handicaps that love this game. They shouldn’t be kept out of ranked because you can’t beat an inferior hitting interface.
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Except the % of that actually happening is low. I have a winning record and id bet ive yet to even play a one armed man.
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@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
Except the % of that actually happening is low. I have a winning record and id bet ive yet to even play a one armed man.
One arm, tremors, cerebral palsy. Open up your sphere and realize there’s more than people like you that play the game.
Also, directional and timing is inferior if you can’t beat it it says a lot about your ability at the game.
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@The_Canuckler said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
When a batter swings in real life. Does he adjust for pitch location or just time the pitch and hope it hits his bat?
The advantage of timing is pitch location does not matter and takes out half the chess game of pitcher/batter. I can pound inside fbs in key situations and get my opponent to want to sit up high on fb...and then change location on them and even with good timing of the fb theyd miss due to location. So timing is not the only factor...and try timing a pitch while also moving the pci to get contact. That is inherently harder and should be rewarded more but its not.
RS is for user for user skill. Its set to competitive settings which states that. Then you are rewarded w better players the farther you make it.
Theres no reason for timing/direction only online unless unranked. I wanna know whos hitting hrs while being late w zone? Its a popout almost every time if youre barely above the inner pci and late.
Your last paragraph is so false lol lots of zone hitters have hit late homeruns, I’ve hit plenty.
Also there are a lot of people that play this game that physically can’t use zone because of physical ailments (cerebral palsy, lost arm in a car accident, born without a hand) and those are just a few I’ve seen from people on Facebook
Thank you, people forget about those with disabilities man.
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@tmoneymill_PSN said in Swing interface timing needs to be out of ALL DD Ranked games:
Except the % of that actually happening is low. I have a winning record and id bet ive yet to even play a one armed man.
Funny you mention this. I once matched up against the real Jim Abbot. He threw everything right down the middle.
