Why is the sinker still so janky?
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@wildthingwilly_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@Hikes83_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
Buddy, it’s been this way since forever and they’ve heard the same sorry every year. Time to just recognize it and adjust like the rest of us because unfortunately, I don’t see it changing anytime soon
If enough people say it loud enough maybe they will change it
We've been screaming about it for years. Sds doesn't give a [censored].
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Good luck with that. Searching “sinkers” generates 53 pages of threads and posts discussing it
Maybe 54 is the sweet spot though
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@wildthingwilly_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@Hikes83_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
Buddy, it’s been this way since forever and they’ve heard the same sorry every year. Time to just recognize it and adjust like the rest of us because unfortunately, I don’t see it changing anytime soon
If enough people say it loud enough maybe they will change it
They said they've fixed it in years past, but it didn't do anything. I'm with you. I think it makes the game borderline unplayable at times.
The number of miserable games I've played against pitchers who never move the location cursor and throw all of three pitches in the same spots every time: either a thigh-high sinker in that both sinks and moves too unrealistically laterally, fastball down the middle, or cutter/breaking ball away to same-side hitters... And because of the crazy sinker physics, it's just a guessing game.
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This game would be so easy without sinkers. I
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@wildthingwilly_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
It's pretty simple. The higher you throw a sinker it just shouldn't have downward movement. I shouldn't watch a high pitch sink into the top corner or have it start top corner and drop middle inside as a ball. That's just not how sinkers move. You have to get on top of the ball and spin it to make it drop. You can't get on top of a pitch at the top of the zone. They should be little flying saucers that get cranked when you throw them high, not the best pitch in the game.
Ahhhh what the ——- are you talking about? Get on top of the ball??? Make it spin for it to drop??? Where did you get this info??? A sinker sinks because of the orientation of the seams on the ball at the release point. Has nothing to do with being on top of the ball!!! Actually you will find most sinker ballers are not over the top throwers. They are usually high 3/4 arm angles. Most sidearm/submariners also throw sinkers. Spencer Strider is great example of over the top and his ball does not sink at all. In fact his ball has what they call hop which means it appears to actually rise as it approaches the strike zone hence why so many people swing under it even when the ball is low in the strike zone.
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@wildthingwilly_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@Hikes83_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
Buddy, it’s been this way since forever and they’ve heard the same sorry every year. Time to just recognize it and adjust like the rest of us because unfortunately, I don’t see it changing anytime soon
If enough people say it loud enough maybe they will change it
My other gripe is similar to you talking about a cutter. It looks like a breaking pitch out the hand. It either goes up or out. Im pretty sure it comes out like a fastball and drops. I am late often on them bc i think they are sliders or curves in the split second of release.
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Minority here I guess but given how easy it is to hit fastballs sinkers need to be able to move
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@Crimson_Monk_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@wildthingwilly_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@Hikes83_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
Buddy, it’s been this way since forever and they’ve heard the same sorry every year. Time to just recognize it and adjust like the rest of us because unfortunately, I don’t see it changing anytime soon
If enough people say it loud enough maybe they will change it
My other gripe is similar to you talking about a cutter. It looks like a breaking pitch out the hand. It either goes up or out. Im pretty sure it comes out like a fastball and drops. I am late often on them bc i think they are sliders or curves in the split second of release.
Cutters come out of the hand on the side of the ball with the same fastball motion. So instead of being behind the ball the wrist stays firm and is released on the side of it.
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They made sinkers harder to throw higher, I rarely see them in the top 3rd of the plate anymore for strikes. People still throw them, you just take it, and realize they probably aren’t good at pitching and wait for them to throw you a cute inside that stays in the strike zone and hit it over the fence.
Now the sweeping curve seems to be the elite pitch I see more often then not. Slides and drops
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@wildthingwilly_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
It's pretty simple. The higher you throw a sinker it just shouldn't have downward movement. I shouldn't watch a high pitch sink into the top corner or have it start top corner and drop middle inside as a ball. That's just not how sinkers move. You have to get on top of the ball and spin it to make it drop. You can't get on top of a pitch at the top of the zone. They should be little flying saucers that get cranked when you throw them high, not the best pitch in the game.
Ahhhh what the ——- are you talking about? Get on top of the ball??? Make it spin for it to drop??? Where did you get this info??? A sinker sinks because of the orientation of the seams on the ball at the release point. Has nothing to do with being on top of the ball!!! Actually you will find most sinker ballers are not over the top throwers. They are usually high 3/4 arm angles. Most sidearm/submariners also throw sinkers. Spencer Strider is great example of over the top and his ball does not sink at all. In fact his ball has what they call hop which means it appears to actually rise as it approaches the strike zone hence why so many people swing under it even when the ball is low in the strike zone.
Yeah, the 3/4 arm angle guys usually throw it low to get swing and misses and they do get on top of the ball. Your arm pronates when you throw a sinker. If you try to throw sinker high it will literally just be a flatter 2 seam. Getting that specific spin along with the seams causes it to drop and that spin won't happen as much if you throw it high. It will drop very slightly, but the pitch breaks the same in the game whether you throw it head height or in the dirt
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Keep screaming. The PAR expands as it gets higher and becomes less accurate. They literally HAVE listened AND made adjustments don’t listen to the clowns that live in this circus everyday.
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@wildthingwilly_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@wildthingwilly_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
It's pretty simple. The higher you throw a sinker it just shouldn't have downward movement. I shouldn't watch a high pitch sink into the top corner or have it start top corner and drop middle inside as a ball. That's just not how sinkers move. You have to get on top of the ball and spin it to make it drop. You can't get on top of a pitch at the top of the zone. They should be little flying saucers that get cranked when you throw them high, not the best pitch in the game.
Ahhhh what the ——- are you talking about? Get on top of the ball??? Make it spin for it to drop??? Where did you get this info??? A sinker sinks because of the orientation of the seams on the ball at the release point. Has nothing to do with being on top of the ball!!! Actually you will find most sinker ballers are not over the top throwers. They are usually high 3/4 arm angles. Most sidearm/submariners also throw sinkers. Spencer Strider is great example of over the top and his ball does not sink at all. In fact his ball has what they call hop which means it appears to actually rise as it approaches the strike zone hence why so many people swing under it even when the ball is low in the strike zone.
Yeah, the 3/4 arm angle guys usually throw it low to get swing and misses and they do get on top of the ball. Your arm pronates when you throw a sinker. If you try to throw sinker high it will literally just be a flatter 2 seam. Getting that specific spin along with the seams causes it to drop and that spin won't happen as much if you throw it high. It will drop very slightly, but the pitch breaks the same in the game whether you throw it head height or in the dirt
Your arm pronates naturally bud. Sinkers don’t cause you arm to pronate anymore or less. Not sure where you are getting this information.
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@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@wildthingwilly_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@killerpresence4_MLBTS said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
@wildthingwilly_PSN said in Why is the sinker still so janky?:
It's pretty simple. The higher you throw a sinker it just shouldn't have downward movement. I shouldn't watch a high pitch sink into the top corner or have it start top corner and drop middle inside as a ball. That's just not how sinkers move. You have to get on top of the ball and spin it to make it drop. You can't get on top of a pitch at the top of the zone. They should be little flying saucers that get cranked when you throw them high, not the best pitch in the game.
Ahhhh what the ——- are you talking about? Get on top of the ball??? Make it spin for it to drop??? Where did you get this info??? A sinker sinks because of the orientation of the seams on the ball at the release point. Has nothing to do with being on top of the ball!!! Actually you will find most sinker ballers are not over the top throwers. They are usually high 3/4 arm angles. Most sidearm/submariners also throw sinkers. Spencer Strider is great example of over the top and his ball does not sink at all. In fact his ball has what they call hop which means it appears to actually rise as it approaches the strike zone hence why so many people swing under it even when the ball is low in the strike zone.
Yeah, the 3/4 arm angle guys usually throw it low to get swing and misses and they do get on top of the ball. Your arm pronates when you throw a sinker. If you try to throw sinker high it will literally just be a flatter 2 seam. Getting that specific spin along with the seams causes it to drop and that spin won't happen as much if you throw it high. It will drop very slightly, but the pitch breaks the same in the game whether you throw it head height or in the dirt
Your arm pronates naturally bud. Sinkers don’t cause you arm to pronate anymore or less. Not sure where you are getting this information.
I'm not saying it prorated more. I'm saying most pitchers slightly exaggerate it for a sinker, and the spin along with the seam alignment allows for the sink and it sinks more if you throw it low because you are quite literally throwing the ball downward
