My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting
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I know there have been loads of threads about hitting, so I'll apologize for adding another. However I wanted to share my thoughts on the issues were all experiencing and pass long ideas on how to begin fixing them.
Safe to say there are a number of things causing the hitting to be as bad as it is now, in my opinion one of the biggest obstacles for them to correctly balance hitting is the fact that everyone sees the ball incredibly well due to the strike zone camera(and anything similar). This camera became increasingly popular 3-4 years ago when people noticed a few youtube guys using it. Now its safe to say most of the online community is using that camera, and especially people here and on other popular forums. This game never had the random frustrating hitting results 3-4 years ago that we experience every game now a days. And by all accounts we seem to have a much better and more realistic hitting engine, its just tuned horribly.
I know people will disagree and some people might not have even read this far, people constantly claim that this camera somehow doesnt make them hit better and that they can still hit without it. Then why the hell does every single one of you use it? Because we all know its not for the great aesthetics it provides, because it makes the game visually hideous on the screen. Its because you see everything so much better than you do when using mlb 15 the show cam or something. Even good people used to chase pitches off the plate back then, now unless youre playing someone that just isnt very good, no one chases anything. Which when coupled with the nerfed pitching engine and lack of accurate strike calling really squeezes the zone. Everyone is Joey Votto and lays off everything a pubic hair off the plate.
My suggested fix:
Revert the hitting back to how it was when the game released. Clean up pitching and make the game respect the pitch location if we hit the meter accurately. Give us an event where the cameras are locked into a normal view and watch the results. I bet you get something much closer to the results you want, but in a way where the better players are rewarded for their input. For this experiment to work you cant restrict the even very much, but I bet you see an offensive decline in the event compared to RS without having to butcher the [censored] out of the game.Now obviously this isnt the only issue impacting hitting as Ive said, and this game has grown immensely and probably has a wider range of players than it did just a few years ago, which definitely can make balancing tricky. I look forward to being either ignored because I wrote a book or just told Im wrong because of my unpopular opinion, but props for reading this far regardless haha.
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@mike_ph said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
I know there have been loads of threads about hitting, so I'll apologize for adding another. However I wanted to share my thoughts on the issues were all experiencing and pass long ideas on how to begin fixing them.
Safe to say there are a number of things causing the hitting to be as bad as it is now, in my opinion one of the biggest obstacles for them to correctly balance hitting is the fact that everyone sees the ball incredibly well due to the strike zone camera(and anything similar). This camera became increasingly popular 3-4 years ago when people noticed a few youtube guys using it. Now its safe to say most of the online community is using that camera, and especially people here and on other popular forums. This game never had the random frustrating hitting results 3-4 years ago that we experience every game now a days. And by all accounts we seem to have a much better and more realistic hitting engine, its just tuned horribly.
I know people will disagree and some people might not have even read this far, people constantly claim that this camera somehow doesnt make them hit better and that they can still hit without it. Then why the hell does every single one of you use it? Because we all know its not for the great aesthetics it provides, because it makes the game visually hideous on the screen. Its because you see everything so much better than you do when using mlb 15 the show cam or something. Even good people used to chase pitches off the plate back then, now unless youre playing someone that just isnt very good, no one chases anything. Which when coupled with the nerfed pitching engine and lack of accurate strike calling really squeezes the zone. Everyone is Joey Votto and lays off everything a pubic hair off the plate.
My suggested fix:
Revert the hitting back to how it was when the game released. Clean up pitching and make the game respect the pitch location if we hit the meter accurately. Give us an event where the cameras are locked into a normal view and watch the results. I bet you get something much closer to the results you want, but in a way where the better players are rewarded for their input. For this experiment to work you cant restrict the even very much, but I bet you see an offensive decline in the event compared to RS without having to butcher the [censored] out of the game.Now obviously this isnt the only issue impacting hitting as Ive said, and this game has grown immensely and probably has a wider range of players than it did just a few years ago, which definitely can make balancing tricky. I look forward to being either ignored because I wrote a book or just told Im wrong because of my unpopular opinion, but props for reading this far regardless haha.
People don't need to chase because they know the game is going to force their opponent to throw a hanger at some point in the AB or the inning. All people asked for at the beginning of the year was a tweak to pitching, so SDS tweaked hitting, because you know, why listen to the people playing your game.
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I agree wholeheartedly with the first three paragraphs. However, I don't think forcing everyone to play with the same camera view is the solution. Fortnite did something similar and the competitive community was pissed.
Instead, I think they should revert hitting to the way it was before, but make the PCI a little smaller so its harder to get those perfect results. Right now, at least on all star difficulty, the PCI is pretty big for most decent hitters, so of course its easy to square a ball up. The solution should be to make it harder to place the PCI perfectly, not to make it so perfectly placed PCIs are not rewarded
Oh, and pitching should also be based on user skill. The amount of hangers over the middle of the plate is another huge contributing factor to high scoring games
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@ryansitko11 said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
I agree wholeheartedly with the first three paragraphs. However, I don't think forcing everyone to play with the same camera view is the solution. Fortnite did something similar and the competitive community was pissed.
Instead, I think they should revert hitting to the way it was before, but make the PCI a little smaller so its harder to get those perfect results. Right now, at least on all star difficulty, the PCI is pretty big for most decent hitters, so of course its easy to square a ball up. The solution should be to make it harder to place the PCI perfectly, not to make it so perfectly placed PCIs are not rewarded
Oh, and pitching should also be based on user skill. The amount of hangers over the middle of the plate is another huge contributing factor to high scoring games
I mean I am not suggesting everyone has to use the same camera, which ironically people pretty much are now, just that these ultra unrealistic strike zone cameras are a problem.
Pitching is obviously a big problem as well, as I mentioned. The devs are definitely stuck in this make everything random to keep the numbers where we want them to be loop.
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Terrible idea. If everybody hits better using strike zone, I urge you to do the same.
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@raesONE said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
Terrible idea. If everybody hits better using strike zone, I urge you to do the same.
Your ability to comprehend what you read is quite low huh?
I urge you to try to read it again, maybe slower if that helps, because it seems as if this went way over your head.
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I miss MLB 13 the show, when it actually took skill to be a top player. Now all these streamers that stack up their teams early on are considered “top players”. Until next year, when this game goes universal, don’t expect anything to get better.
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@mike_ph said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
@raesONE said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
Terrible idea. If everybody hits better using strike zone, I urge you to do the same.
Your ability to comprehend what you read is quite low huh?
I urge you to try to read it again, maybe slower if that helps, because it seems as if this went way over your head.
I just read it again, twice, and despite you using a lot of words for whatever point it is you want to make, it seems as if you're clearly saying that strike zone camera makes people recognize pitches better and turn into Joey Votto. You back this assumption up by saying you don't enjoy the camera, for the fact that you can't see your hitter. So I assume you're anti strike zone camera. And then you say they should introduce an event where hitting cameras are locked to see the results.
Is it really that weird I'm concluding that you want an event where strike zone is not the camera that's being forced on us due to your earlier arguments?
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".... Give us an event where the cameras are locked into a normal view and watch the results ...."
I mean, maybe next time use lesser words to make a point and if not, don't get angry when people misinterpret your message.
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@raesONE said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
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".... Give us an event where the cameras are locked into a normal view and watch the results ...."
I mean, maybe next time use lesser words to make a point and if not, don't get angry when people misinterpret your message.
No you made the typical lame online message board assumption that since my post contained a bit of a complaint/issue with the game, that I lost a game because of the issue Im referring to.
Nowhere in my post did I even say what camera I use, again you made an assumption based on your own preconceived thoughts.
You see when adults have discussions/debates, intelligent people like to think of peoples counterpoints to their own points and address them at the outset. It seems you were the only one that couldnt figure out what I was saying.
The hilarious thing is, I took a brief look at your post history and one of your most recent posts says " That being said, Strike Zone is undeniably the way to go in a true competitive setting. If you play casually and presentation is huge for you, that's fine. Use whatever. If you wanna compete and be the absolute best you can be, Strike Zone or maybe SZ 2 or SZ High is preferable."
Maybe since the devs think hitting needed to be nerfed, and theres a camera that everyone admits gives a fairly massive advantage and makes it much easier to hit/recognize pitches, and the use of that camera in the game perfectly coincides with the hitting issues the last few years, that they should look into how the game might play without said camera.
I barely play online because of all the sweaty try hards and the ridiculous ways they try to play baseball. I ten runned a kid the other day it was immensely not fun because of how he tried to play. I really dont care how they make you people play, but seeing that all these [censored] changes they make to hitting impacts us all in each game mode, maybe that should look at actually fixing the sources of the issues instead of just doing the lazy sport video game developer thing and breaking one thing to fix another. Oh hitting is OP? Let me just nerf pitching so balls randomly go over the plate etc.
Sorry about all the words again, next time Ill type like a 13 year old girl using abbreviations and emojis so its easier for some people.
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@mike_ph said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
@raesONE said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
Quote:
".... Give us an event where the cameras are locked into a normal view and watch the results ...."
I mean, maybe next time use lesser words to make a point and if not, don't get angry when people misinterpret your message.
No you made the typical lame online message board assumption that since my post contained a bit of a complaint/issue with the game, that I lost a game because of the issue Im referring to.
Nowhere in my post did I even say what camera I use, again you made an assumption based on your own preconceived thoughts.
You see when adults have discussions/debates, intelligent people like to think of peoples counterpoints to their own points and address them at the outset. It seems you were the only one that couldnt figure out what I was saying.
The hilarious thing is, I took a brief look at your post history and one of your most recent posts says " That being said, Strike Zone is undeniably the way to go in a true competitive setting. If you play casually and presentation is huge for you, that's fine. Use whatever. If you wanna compete and be the absolute best you can be, Strike Zone or maybe SZ 2 or SZ High is preferable."
Maybe since the devs think hitting needed to be nerfed, and theres a camera that everyone admits gives a fairly massive advantage and makes it much easier to hit/recognize pitches, and the use of that camera in the game perfectly coincides with the hitting issues the last few years, that they should look into how the game might play without said camera.
I barely play online because of all the sweaty try hards and the ridiculous ways they try to play baseball. I ten runned a kid the other day it was immensely not fun because of how he tried to play. I really dont care how they make you people play, but seeing that all these [censored] changes they make to hitting impacts us all in each game mode, maybe that should look at actually fixing the sources of the issues instead of just doing the lazy sport video game developer thing and breaking one thing to fix another. Oh hitting is OP? Let me just nerf pitching so balls randomly go over the plate etc.
Sorry about all the words again, next time Ill type like a 13 year old girl using abbreviations and emojis so its easier for some people.
Yeah case and point, I'm not gonna read your whole assessment for the sake of argument. Whatever you said, you were right and I was wrong. It's all good. Enjoy your evening and stay safe.
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@raesONE said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
@mike_ph said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
@raesONE said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
Quote:
".... Give us an event where the cameras are locked into a normal view and watch the results ...."
I mean, maybe next time use lesser words to make a point and if not, don't get angry when people misinterpret your message.
No you made the typical lame online message board assumption that since my post contained a bit of a complaint/issue with the game, that I lost a game because of the issue Im referring to.
Nowhere in my post did I even say what camera I use, again you made an assumption based on your own preconceived thoughts.
You see when adults have discussions/debates, intelligent people like to think of peoples counterpoints to their own points and address them at the outset. It seems you were the only one that couldnt figure out what I was saying.
The hilarious thing is, I took a brief look at your post history and one of your most recent posts says " That being said, Strike Zone is undeniably the way to go in a true competitive setting. If you play casually and presentation is huge for you, that's fine. Use whatever. If you wanna compete and be the absolute best you can be, Strike Zone or maybe SZ 2 or SZ High is preferable."
Maybe since the devs think hitting needed to be nerfed, and theres a camera that everyone admits gives a fairly massive advantage and makes it much easier to hit/recognize pitches, and the use of that camera in the game perfectly coincides with the hitting issues the last few years, that they should look into how the game might play without said camera.
I barely play online because of all the sweaty try hards and the ridiculous ways they try to play baseball. I ten runned a kid the other day it was immensely not fun because of how he tried to play. I really dont care how they make you people play, but seeing that all these [censored] changes they make to hitting impacts us all in each game mode, maybe that should look at actually fixing the sources of the issues instead of just doing the lazy sport video game developer thing and breaking one thing to fix another. Oh hitting is OP? Let me just nerf pitching so balls randomly go over the plate etc.
Sorry about all the words again, next time Ill type like a 13 year old girl using abbreviations and emojis so its easier for some people.
Yeah case and point, I'm not gonna read your whole assessment for the sake of argument. Whatever you said, you were right and I was wrong. It's all good. Enjoy your evening and stay safe.
Took you longer to type that message than it would to read those 10 sentences I wrote
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@mike_ph said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
@raesONE said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
@mike_ph said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
@raesONE said in My Unpopular Opinion to Fix Hitting:
Quote:
".... Give us an event where the cameras are locked into a normal view and watch the results ...."
I mean, maybe next time use lesser words to make a point and if not, don't get angry when people misinterpret your message.
No you made the typical lame online message board assumption that since my post contained a bit of a complaint/issue with the game, that I lost a game because of the issue Im referring to.
Nowhere in my post did I even say what camera I use, again you made an assumption based on your own preconceived thoughts.
You see when adults have discussions/debates, intelligent people like to think of peoples counterpoints to their own points and address them at the outset. It seems you were the only one that couldnt figure out what I was saying.
The hilarious thing is, I took a brief look at your post history and one of your most recent posts says " That being said, Strike Zone is undeniably the way to go in a true competitive setting. If you play casually and presentation is huge for you, that's fine. Use whatever. If you wanna compete and be the absolute best you can be, Strike Zone or maybe SZ 2 or SZ High is preferable."
Maybe since the devs think hitting needed to be nerfed, and theres a camera that everyone admits gives a fairly massive advantage and makes it much easier to hit/recognize pitches, and the use of that camera in the game perfectly coincides with the hitting issues the last few years, that they should look into how the game might play without said camera.
I barely play online because of all the sweaty try hards and the ridiculous ways they try to play baseball. I ten runned a kid the other day it was immensely not fun because of how he tried to play. I really dont care how they make you people play, but seeing that all these [censored] changes they make to hitting impacts us all in each game mode, maybe that should look at actually fixing the sources of the issues instead of just doing the lazy sport video game developer thing and breaking one thing to fix another. Oh hitting is OP? Let me just nerf pitching so balls randomly go over the plate etc.
Sorry about all the words again, next time Ill type like a 13 year old girl using abbreviations and emojis so its easier for some people.
Yeah case and point, I'm not gonna read your whole assessment for the sake of argument. Whatever you said, you were right and I was wrong. It's all good. Enjoy your evening and stay safe.
Took you longer to type that message than it would to read those 10 sentences I wrote
Yes because I am very dumb as you clearly insinuated. It's also my Friday night after a long week of work, so I really don't wanna be arguing on the internet with a stranger despite your continuous attempts to rattle and insult me.
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