Pitching impossible?
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@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitching impossible?:
As is often the case with subjects like the one in this thread, I haven't experienced the issue being described at all. In fact, I've been glad to see how responsive pitching is to actual input this year - depending on player skill and confidence, naturally. I use Pure Analog.
Agreed! Knowing how the game operates allows you to improve and do better. If you don't care to know what works and what doesn't you'll get angry, never improve and get to the point of posting negative comments on message boards
It is not about being negative but about voicing issues with the game. The game has evolved every year to how can we let players get more HR and more hits and take away pitching from user input. My biggest issue is now we do not get the edges called, I am not saying every pitch on the edge should be a strike but there is a HUGE difference from this years game to last years game and the games before that.
My point is adapt... Nothing is going to change.. either adapt, or complain or move on.. at the end of the day, is your ERA above 4? Probably not. This is a baseball sim.. as a sim, it's still failing at real life stats would align with the average ERA being above 4.... Adapt dude
Only way to adapt to throw down the middle and hope the randomness take its out of the zone and my opponent swings at it. I should not have to adapt just like those who complain about hitting should adapt and accept all the issues right. What about the fielding issues we should just adapt to whatever product SDS puts out with no feedback right cause that is your answer to solving the issue is to suck it up and deal with the game the way it is. I guess you could careless about how the game plays cause you can adapt to the issues of the game. Does that make it right. I do not just complain with out a solution buddy, I send in feedback reports cause that is what they ask for. Last I checked this is a forum to talk about the game. Since you are adapting so well and see no issues with the game why you on this forum or in this thread?
I didn't realize forums were for only complaining... I have solutions. You just apparently don't look for them. My solutions work for me. I'm not a top player. Just a pretty good one, because I adapt and learn instead of expect everything...
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitching impossible?:
As is often the case with subjects like the one in this thread, I haven't experienced the issue being described at all. In fact, I've been glad to see how responsive pitching is to actual input this year - depending on player skill and confidence, naturally. I use Pure Analog.
Agreed! Knowing how the game operates allows you to improve and do better. If you don't care to know what works and what doesn't you'll get angry, never improve and get to the point of posting negative comments on message boards
It is not about being negative but about voicing issues with the game. The game has evolved every year to how can we let players get more HR and more hits and take away pitching from user input. My biggest issue is now we do not get the edges called, I am not saying every pitch on the edge should be a strike but there is a HUGE difference from this years game to last years game and the games before that.
My point is adapt... Nothing is going to change.. either adapt, or complain or move on.. at the end of the day, is your ERA above 4? Probably not. This is a baseball sim.. as a sim, it's still failing at real life stats would align with the average ERA being above 4.... Adapt dude
Only way to adapt to throw down the middle and hope the randomness take its out of the zone and my opponent swings at it. I should not have to adapt just like those who complain about hitting should adapt and accept all the issues right. What about the fielding issues we should just adapt to whatever product SDS puts out with no feedback right cause that is your answer to solving the issue is to suck it up and deal with the game the way it is. I guess you could careless about how the game plays cause you can adapt to the issues of the game. Does that make it right. I do not just complain with out a solution buddy, I send in feedback reports cause that is what they ask for. Last I checked this is a forum to talk about the game. Since you are adapting so well and see no issues with the game why you on this forum or in this thread?
I didn't realize forums were for only complaining... I have solutions. You just apparently don't look for them. My solutions work for me. I'm not a top player. Just a pretty good one, because I adapt and learn instead of expect everything...
So maybe I missed it. What is your solution to pitches randomly getting center cut? I get that we should accept to strikes being called balls. We know what the zone is now. But not sure how you adapt to pitches getting hung consistently.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitching impossible?:
As is often the case with subjects like the one in this thread, I haven't experienced the issue being described at all. In fact, I've been glad to see how responsive pitching is to actual input this year - depending on player skill and confidence, naturally. I use Pure Analog.
Agreed! Knowing how the game operates allows you to improve and do better. If you don't care to know what works and what doesn't you'll get angry, never improve and get to the point of posting negative comments on message boards
It is not about being negative but about voicing issues with the game. The game has evolved every year to how can we let players get more HR and more hits and take away pitching from user input. My biggest issue is now we do not get the edges called, I am not saying every pitch on the edge should be a strike but there is a HUGE difference from this years game to last years game and the games before that.
My point is adapt... Nothing is going to change.. either adapt, or complain or move on.. at the end of the day, is your ERA above 4? Probably not. This is a baseball sim.. as a sim, it's still failing at real life stats would align with the average ERA being above 4.... Adapt dude
Only way to adapt to throw down the middle and hope the randomness take its out of the zone and my opponent swings at it. I should not have to adapt just like those who complain about hitting should adapt and accept all the issues right. What about the fielding issues we should just adapt to whatever product SDS puts out with no feedback right cause that is your answer to solving the issue is to suck it up and deal with the game the way it is. I guess you could careless about how the game plays cause you can adapt to the issues of the game. Does that make it right. I do not just complain with out a solution buddy, I send in feedback reports cause that is what they ask for. Last I checked this is a forum to talk about the game. Since you are adapting so well and see no issues with the game why you on this forum or in this thread?
I didn't realize forums were for only complaining... I have solutions. You just apparently don't look for them. My solutions work for me. I'm not a top player. Just a pretty good one, because I adapt and learn instead of expect everything...
you accept everything for what it is, forums are for discussing things about the game or whatever one chooses to discuss. You see it as complaining, but it is not complaining. It is voicing my opinion about pitching in this game and the randomness of it. Tell me what is so wrong with that. Am I not aloud to voice an opinion about the game. Complaining is being upset about how you lost a game or saying the game is trash, you can not stand this that or the other. I simply was stating this years game does not give strikes to the edges as in years past and that is a problem for me when it comes to pitching then I am force to walk a guy or give in. I stated not a complaint that the game should not have confidence but fully use user input. That was my opinionated statement not a complaint etc..........
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3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
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@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@Onyx_Hokie_2 said in Pitching impossible?:
As is often the case with subjects like the one in this thread, I haven't experienced the issue being described at all. In fact, I've been glad to see how responsive pitching is to actual input this year - depending on player skill and confidence, naturally. I use Pure Analog.
Agreed! Knowing how the game operates allows you to improve and do better. If you don't care to know what works and what doesn't you'll get angry, never improve and get to the point of posting negative comments on message boards
It is not about being negative but about voicing issues with the game. The game has evolved every year to how can we let players get more HR and more hits and take away pitching from user input. My biggest issue is now we do not get the edges called, I am not saying every pitch on the edge should be a strike but there is a HUGE difference from this years game to last years game and the games before that.
My point is adapt... Nothing is going to change.. either adapt, or complain or move on.. at the end of the day, is your ERA above 4? Probably not. This is a baseball sim.. as a sim, it's still failing at real life stats would align with the average ERA being above 4.... Adapt dude
Only way to adapt to throw down the middle and hope the randomness take its out of the zone and my opponent swings at it. I should not have to adapt just like those who complain about hitting should adapt and accept all the issues right. What about the fielding issues we should just adapt to whatever product SDS puts out with no feedback right cause that is your answer to solving the issue is to suck it up and deal with the game the way it is. I guess you could careless about how the game plays cause you can adapt to the issues of the game. Does that make it right. I do not just complain with out a solution buddy, I send in feedback reports cause that is what they ask for. Last I checked this is a forum to talk about the game. Since you are adapting so well and see no issues with the game why you on this forum or in this thread?
I didn't realize forums were for only complaining... I have solutions. You just apparently don't look for them. My solutions work for me. I'm not a top player. Just a pretty good one, because I adapt and learn instead of expect everything...
you accept everything for what it is, forums are for discussing things about the game or whatever one chooses to discuss. You see it as complaining, but it is not complaining. It is voicing my opinion about pitching in this game and the randomness of it. Tell me what is so wrong with that. Am I not aloud to voice an opinion about the game. Complaining is being upset about how you lost a game or saying the game is trash, you can not stand this that or the other. I simply was stating this years game does not give strikes to the edges as in years past and that is a problem for me when it comes to pitching then I am force to walk a guy or give in. I stated not a complaint that the game should not have confidence but fully use user input. That was my opinionated statement not a complaint etc..........
You are free to whine. Just as I'm free to call out your BS
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
Nice try SDS lackey.
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@Tusken_Raiderz said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
Nice try SDS lackey.
Good one buddy. Thick... Real thick.. never heard that old joke. Might as well call me Ramone, OG
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
I’m not spamming secondary pitches.
I’m not using pitchers with low energy or low confidence (or low confidence pitches).
Like I said, I was above average at pitching in every MLB the show game I’ve played. This year it’s mostly luck on if your opponent can crush a meatball or not.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@Tusken_Raiderz said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
Nice try SDS lackey.
Good one buddy. Thick... Real thick.. never heard that old joke. Might as well call me Ramone, OG
Nice try, Ramone
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@Tusken_Raiderz said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@Tusken_Raiderz said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
Nice try SDS lackey.
Good one buddy. Thick... Real thick.. never heard that old joke. Might as well call me Ramone, OG
Nice try, Ramone
There it is!!!
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People who are complaining are mostly “Meter” pitchers
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@genopolanco said in Pitching impossible?:
Playing RS through MLB 17 and 19 I lived and died by my pitching. Although my hitting has improved a lot since my MLBTS 17 days, my pitching is suffering this year. It feels completely random. Constant hanging pitches. If you don’t get your input perfect, it’s a hanger.
What makes it even worse is the called strikes. Numerous borderline calls being called balls. It seems like nearly 50% of the ball has to be in the zone for it to be called.
Is this from all the little Billy’s complaining that no one throws strikes down the heart of the plate?
I don’t even know who to use. Low control are constant hangers. High control you can’t even paint the corners because there’s no called strikes. At this point I’m thinking about grabbing guys like Chapman. Nasty stuff, 0 control and just saying hit it if you can. I know that won’t work, playing against above average players but something should be done.
Expanding the strike zone for called strikes would probably be the best thing for this game right now. I’d love them to revert hitting and fix pitching but I don’t see that happening.
I just struck out a kids first 12 batters of the game then he quit pitching seems fine
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
I understand all that, and that is how 19 was as well. Again the problem is the edges not being called strikes at a higher rate which forces you to to higher pitch counts because opponents know this and do not have to swing. In a game last night I was down 3-0 Not getting edges called force to throw alot of pitches and in the zone. by the 5th 4-1 i stated this earlier. I gave up trying to actually pitch and just throw the ball like whatever and chose whatever pitch to throw as if pitching does not mater and my opponent did not score again I came back in the 8th and 9th to win the game. I certainly did adapt and I will see if this method is the knew way I should pitch going forward but it is not fun playing that way but whatever it takes right.
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@Gates_36 said in Pitching impossible?:
@genopolanco said in Pitching impossible?:
Playing RS through MLB 17 and 19 I lived and died by my pitching. Although my hitting has improved a lot since my MLBTS 17 days, my pitching is suffering this year. It feels completely random. Constant hanging pitches. If you don’t get your input perfect, it’s a hanger.
What makes it even worse is the called strikes. Numerous borderline calls being called balls. It seems like nearly 50% of the ball has to be in the zone for it to be called.
Is this from all the little Billy’s complaining that no one throws strikes down the heart of the plate?
I don’t even know who to use. Low control are constant hangers. High control you can’t even paint the corners because there’s no called strikes. At this point I’m thinking about grabbing guys like Chapman. Nasty stuff, 0 control and just saying hit it if you can. I know that won’t work, playing against above average players but something should be done.
Expanding the strike zone for called strikes would probably be the best thing for this game right now. I’d love them to revert hitting and fix pitching but I don’t see that happening.
I just struck out a kids first 12 batters of the game then he quit pitching seems fine
Obviously you’re still going to match up with people who can’t hit anything. Doesn’t mean there isn’t an issue.
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@Gates_36 said in Pitching impossible?:
@genopolanco said in Pitching impossible?:
Playing RS through MLB 17 and 19 I lived and died by my pitching. Although my hitting has improved a lot since my MLBTS 17 days, my pitching is suffering this year. It feels completely random. Constant hanging pitches. If you don’t get your input perfect, it’s a hanger.
What makes it even worse is the called strikes. Numerous borderline calls being called balls. It seems like nearly 50% of the ball has to be in the zone for it to be called.
Is this from all the little Billy’s complaining that no one throws strikes down the heart of the plate?
I don’t even know who to use. Low control are constant hangers. High control you can’t even paint the corners because there’s no called strikes. At this point I’m thinking about grabbing guys like Chapman. Nasty stuff, 0 control and just saying hit it if you can. I know that won’t work, playing against above average players but something should be done.
Expanding the strike zone for called strikes would probably be the best thing for this game right now. I’d love them to revert hitting and fix pitching but I don’t see that happening.
I just struck out a kids first 12 batters of the game then he quit pitching seems fine
Was the kid swinging at alot of pitches outside the zone? Were you throwing in the zone? Did you get the edges called for strikes? If so what stadium were you playing in? thank you
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@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Gates_36 said in Pitching impossible?:
@genopolanco said in Pitching impossible?:
Playing RS through MLB 17 and 19 I lived and died by my pitching. Although my hitting has improved a lot since my MLBTS 17 days, my pitching is suffering this year. It feels completely random. Constant hanging pitches. If you don’t get your input perfect, it’s a hanger.
What makes it even worse is the called strikes. Numerous borderline calls being called balls. It seems like nearly 50% of the ball has to be in the zone for it to be called.
Is this from all the little Billy’s complaining that no one throws strikes down the heart of the plate?
I don’t even know who to use. Low control are constant hangers. High control you can’t even paint the corners because there’s no called strikes. At this point I’m thinking about grabbing guys like Chapman. Nasty stuff, 0 control and just saying hit it if you can. I know that won’t work, playing against above average players but something should be done.
Expanding the strike zone for called strikes would probably be the best thing for this game right now. I’d love them to revert hitting and fix pitching but I don’t see that happening.
I just struck out a kids first 12 batters of the game then he quit pitching seems fine
Was the kid swinging at alot of pitches outside the zone? Were you throwing in the zone? Did you get the edges called for strikes? If so what stadium were you playing in? thank you
I forget the stadium and he would swing at an occasional low off-speed pitches. I did get a couple on the line surprisley
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@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
I understand all that, and that is how 19 was as well. Again the problem is the edges not being called strikes at a higher rate which forces you to to higher pitch counts because opponents know this and do not have to swing. In a game last night I was down 3-0 Not getting edges called force to throw alot of pitches and in the zone. by the 5th 4-1 i stated this earlier. I gave up trying to actually pitch and just throw the ball like whatever and chose whatever pitch to throw as if pitching does not mater and my opponent did not score again I came back in the 8th and 9th to win the game. I certainly did adapt and I will see if this method is the knew way I should pitch going forward but it is not fun playing that way but whatever it takes right.
That's the spirit. This is a fact of real pitching. Sometimes trying to dot doesn't work and you just have to throw. Anyone who argues this fact knows nothing about ball.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
@dbarmonstar said in Pitching impossible?:
@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
I understand all that, and that is how 19 was as well. Again the problem is the edges not being called strikes at a higher rate which forces you to to higher pitch counts because opponents know this and do not have to swing. In a game last night I was down 3-0 Not getting edges called force to throw alot of pitches and in the zone. by the 5th 4-1 i stated this earlier. I gave up trying to actually pitch and just throw the ball like whatever and chose whatever pitch to throw as if pitching does not mater and my opponent did not score again I came back in the 8th and 9th to win the game. I certainly did adapt and I will see if this method is the knew way I should pitch going forward but it is not fun playing that way but whatever it takes right.
That's the spirit. This is a fact of real pitching. Sometimes trying to dot doesn't work and you just have to throw. Anyone who argues this fact knows nothing about ball.
I will agree with that, sometimes you just got to try something different, it is according to how the opponent is playing as well. I knew how my opponent was pitching me with each hitter but my timing sucks, Once I relaxed with the timing I started hitting cause I could sit on his location.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
I wish that I could upvote this post at least once for every misplaced complaint I've read on these forums over the years. My trackpad might burn out if I could do that, though... so perhaps it's best that I'm not able to do so.
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@Nanthrax_1 said in Pitching impossible?:
3rd time I've posted this today..
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Multiple times developers have said in streams that if you spam secondary pitches you will throw meatballs. This is everything but X.. you NEED to mix it up.
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Hit your spots. If you use pitches with low confidence in a spot you haven't been throwing to, good luck to you sir. This is realistic.
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If your pitcher confidence or stamina is low and you throw low quality pitches (user input or just low rates pitches) you may get rocked..
Knowing this info will help your game. Or you can be a whiner and complain about it. The choice is yours
the problem with pitching this year was that primary pitches with good/perfect releases were hanging or missing completely as well, I know because I was aware of the secondary pitch anti-spam mechanism so I was using primary pitches more than secondary pitches, even though I think that its counterproductive in a competitive sense. Far to many primary pitches were hanging in my opinion, your experience may be different, but that's what I was experiencing every game.
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