If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?
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@moosealbany_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
@SamuSuppiluliuma - I salute you sir. Your post is well written very detailed and hopefully something SDS looks at when trying to figure out what went wrong with this year's version of the game.
Going to sound cynical for a minute. They will look at 1 thing. How much money did it make
If initial sales were good, and if people felt obligated to pay real money for stubs to purchase things like equipment and perks, they will look and say “yeah there were complaints but they still bought it”
So any real change probably won’t come til the year after next. And then only if sales next year are awful. And let’s be honest, they probably won’t be awful
This is the direction they decided to go with RTTs so barring a financial loss I doubt a major overhaul will occur next year
In fairness I can live with the loadout system. Just don’t make it attached to DD so I can play when the servers are offline
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@rathanian_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
@moosealbany_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
@SamuSuppiluliuma - I salute you sir. Your post is well written very detailed and hopefully something SDS looks at when trying to figure out what went wrong with this year's version of the game.
Going to sound cynical for a minute. They will look at 1 thing. How much money did it make
If initial sales were good, and if people felt obligated to pay real money for stubs to purchase things like equipment and perks, they will look and say “yeah there were complaints but they still bought it”
So any real change probably won’t come til the year after next. And then only if sales next year are awful. And let’s be honest, they probably won’t be awful
This is the direction they decided to go with RTTs so barring a financial loss I doubt a major overhaul will occur next year
In fairness I can live with the loadout system. Just don’t make it attached to DD so I can play when the servers are offline
I kind of disagree with you on that point even if it seems to make sense. Any good company with strategic management wouldn't risk to wait and see next years sales to make changes.
We're online 100% of the time. Even if I bought the game this year, they have in their Stats that I played this year release maybe 27% of the amount of time I had played TheShow20 after a month of release. They can track us and measure "customer engagement" easily. They'll compare our playing time and our playing habits.
If RTTS play time drops, let's say 40% since it's so broken but DD increases 35%, I agree they probably won't change anything since players are still engaged but are playing differently. On the other hand, if Total playing time (like my case) drops because their offline mode are broken, they'll address it right away.
Engagement is the key since it's measurable all-year round. Pre-order and sales are the final indicator but since it happens only once a year they'll be foolish to base their entire strategy on it.
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@M-A47_PSN thats a fair point. But as my RTTs interest has dwindled I’ve been plying more franchise which is fun in its own way.
So it’s as you said as long as people are playing it one way or another that’s what matters. So will be interesting to see what transpires next year. But I doubt it goes back to the old method. Though I hope I am wrong but I think the load outs are here to stay. I just hope they make it a pure offline mode again and give you the option to import it to DD if you so choose. Nothing annoys me like pitching a game and then finding out that time was wasted towards progression because you lost connection to the server sometime during the game
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@rathanian_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
But I doubt it goes back to the old method. Though I hope I am wrong but I think the load outs are here to stay.
You're right - loadouts and Archetypes are definitely here to stay. SDS has said as much already. Something about how this is the direction they are going to build on in the future. But my opinion is that they definitely could have implemented this without impacting RTTS nearly as much as they have in 2021.
The game play in 2021 is actually quite good, and there are things I like about the Archetype system. SDS could "fix" RTTS, imo, by making one major change - allow second and subsequent RTTS careers to NOT be linked to the Universal Profile. Meaning they could start at "30" all over again - could have a different physical appearance - maybe could even learn to throw a knuckleball and also not have the exact same pitch selection as the "main" RTTS save - and pick their own secondary position if they truly do not want to be a 2-way player. Yet at the same time allow games played with the "non-linked" RTTS career to count towards Archetype and Program progression (because everyone wants goodies). This fairly simple (in concept at least) change could resolve about 95% of the issues that players seem to have with RTTS.
And, yes, allow RTTS to function in offline mode. Points you earn towards progression should simply be in local cache until server connectivity is restored.
Hopefully in a future version. Obviously not going to happen in 2021, so I'm back to playing 2020 for now.
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@moosealbany_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
@rathanian_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
But I doubt it goes back to the old method. Though I hope I am wrong but I think the load outs are here to stay.
You're right - loadouts and Archetypes are definitely here to stay. SDS has said as much already. Something about how this is the direction they are going to build on in the future. But my opinion is that they definitely could have implemented this without impacting RTTS nearly as much as they have in 2021.
The game play in 2021 is actually quite good, and there are things I like about the Archetype system. SDS could "fix" RTTS, imo, by making one major change - allow second and subsequent RTTS careers to NOT be linked to the Universal Profile. Meaning they could start at "30" all over again - could have a different physical appearance - maybe could even learn to throw a knuckleball and also not have the exact same pitch selection as the "main" RTTS save - and pick their own secondary position if they truly do not want to be a 2-way player. Yet at the same time allow games played with the "non-linked" RTTS career to count towards Archetype and Program progression (because everyone wants goodies). This fairly simple (in concept at least) change could resolve about 95% of the issues that players seem to have with RTTS.
And, yes, allow RTTS to function in offline mode. Points you earn towards progression should simply be in local cache until server connectivity is restored.
Hopefully in a future version. Obviously not going to happen in 2021, so I'm back to playing 2020 for now.
I hope you're Right. It is a viable compromise if they do everything you said.
Let's hope they'll listen to this.
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@moosealbany_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
@rathanian_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
But I doubt it goes back to the old method. Though I hope I am wrong but I think the load outs are here to stay.
You're right - loadouts and Archetypes are definitely here to stay. SDS has said as much already. Something about how this is the direction they are going to build on in the future. But my opinion is that they definitely could have implemented this without impacting RTTS nearly as much as they have in 2021.
The game play in 2021 is actually quite good, and there are things I like about the Archetype system. SDS could "fix" RTTS, imo, by making one major change - allow second and subsequent RTTS careers to NOT be linked to the Universal Profile. Meaning they could start at "30" all over again - could have a different physical appearance - maybe could even learn to throw a knuckleball and also not have the exact same pitch selection as the "main" RTTS save - and pick their own secondary position if they truly do not want to be a 2-way player. Yet at the same time allow games played with the "non-linked" RTTS career to count towards Archetype and Program progression (because everyone wants goodies). This fairly simple (in concept at least) change could resolve about 95% of the issues that players seem to have with RTTS.
And, yes, allow RTTS to function in offline mode. Points you earn towards progression should simply be in local cache until server connectivity is restored.
Hopefully in a future version. Obviously not going to happen in 2021, so I'm back to playing 2020 for now.
Another great post
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@m-a47_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
@rathanian_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
@moosealbany_psn said in If you had to choose right now RTTS 2020 or RTTS 2021?:
@SamuSuppiluliuma - I salute you sir. Your post is well written very detailed and hopefully something SDS looks at when trying to figure out what went wrong with this year's version of the game.
Going to sound cynical for a minute. They will look at 1 thing. How much money did it make
If initial sales were good, and if people felt obligated to pay real money for stubs to purchase things like equipment and perks, they will look and say “yeah there were complaints but they still bought it”
So any real change probably won’t come til the year after next. And then only if sales next year are awful. And let’s be honest, they probably won’t be awful
This is the direction they decided to go with RTTs so barring a financial loss I doubt a major overhaul will occur next year
In fairness I can live with the loadout system. Just don’t make it attached to DD so I can play when the servers are offline
I kind of disagree with you on that point even if it seems to make sense. Any good company with strategic management wouldn't risk to wait and see next years sales to make changes.
We're online 100% of the time. Even if I bought the game this year, they have in their Stats that I played this year release maybe 27% of the amount of time I had played TheShow20 after a month of release. They can track us and measure "customer engagement" easily. They'll compare our playing time and our playing habits.
If RTTS play time drops, let's say 40% since it's so broken but DD increases 35%, I agree they probably won't change anything since players are still engaged but are playing differently. On the other hand, if Total playing time (like my case) drops because their offline mode are broken, they'll address it right away.
Engagement is the key since it's measurable all-year round. Pre-order and sales are the final indicator but since it happens only once a year they'll be foolish to base their entire strategy on it.
Absolutely right
they’re definitely tracking our engagement and comparing to our former selves. -
I'm going to ask Microsoft for a refund. The game is unplayable. Simple as that.
Refund request submitted. I haven't played the games in weeks and no update to fixing our issues in site. I'll take my $85 back please. WHAT A WASTE.
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I prefer road to the show 20. 21 is okay but can't use same features like other games. For example I like the idea before that you can use custom sliders and things like that in this mode but in 21 you can't to gain xp unless its on default sliders.
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Well I'm stuck with the game. Guess I'll wait for some updates and hope they put some effort into RTTS this season.
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I haven't played the show since the first year PCI was available and while some things are better, there are a lot of things that are worse. I don't like the forced 2 way player. Only having one create a player to mess around with. It seems like they are on the way to eliminating the "career mode" and mandatory DD, which is clearly pay to win. Get rid of the card collecting garbage. Also return to letting us use the attribute points we earned, so we can make our players as realistic or cartoonishly good as we want them to be, and PLEASE don't let a create a player be available in online play.
I read the negative reviews about 21 and how 20 was better, so I went out and got 20 and haven't touched 21 since. Also, what the hell did they do to break the baserunning so badly? When I first started playing the show in the past that was the one thing anyone new to the game could do with no problem, now it's impossible to run the bases competently. Nothing will spoil a game experience, especially for a first time player faster than struggling to learn the hitting, then when they finally start getting on base have their runners immediately picked off base or get stuck in some rundown simply because they can't make the runner go one way and stop. (only some of that is what I am experiencing, and I admit that some of it is my fault)
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RTTS 21 is not good in my opinion, The simple fact that I can't start a new RTTS career with a "fresh" set of attributes that an 18 yr old would have breaks it. When you start a new career, your new player has the attributes of the last career player.....So if you play RTTS only stay in MLB 20 so you can have as many different saves as you want with original players.
Scott in the Philippines
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