SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .
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My take on this is twofold.
1st, R2 in past years would prevent you from starting your delivery. You would be "stuck" on the pitch location screen and pressing X to confirm the pitch location would just not be allowed as long as R2 was being held. With PPP, it seems to affect the actual mechanic/timing of the actual pitch as the player is using it. This is simply not acceptable. Now I haven't played online this year yet nor do I use PPP (meter pitching is all my old hands can muster), but I would bet anything that as long as ANY sort of advantage can be gained against another player in online, people WILL exploit it. This may not be true of 100% of the community, but most people will and do. It is an unfortunate side effect of Events, BR and RS. I won't go inta a whole rant about online ranking, but I think SDS has gone some way to alleviate it this year with X wins = WS Pack. I actually applaud them for it. I have a whole idea on how the online RS ranking and matching system could work, but this isn't the place for it.
That being said, forcing a pitcher to come set can have repercussions on the OFFLINE portion of the game. When I play a 9 inning vs CPU game or ANY mode like CONQUEST or MOMENTS, forcing my pitcher to come set just adds time to the game. it might be minimal, but it is still there. BALKS can be turned off during vs CPU games, but if they create a mechanic for forcing the pitcher to come set or preventing the pitcher to pitch for a full 2 or 3 seconds , this will not be mode specific, but will be hardcoded to pitching in all modes since the engine cannot differentiate between vs human or vs CPU. It can by the "settings rules" not apply the balk rule, but the balk is still recorded, just not called.
There is no easy solution or fix this year because of the inclusion of PPP. My suggestion is to go back to the previous years and R2 will prevent the pitcher from selecting the pitch location until 3 seconds or no longer pressed. After that, R2 should do nothing.
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@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
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I love that this R2 debate is raging on, now that you can see when it is being used on screen.
In previous years, you guys were all denying it even did anything.
The shoe is on the other foot.
“We need a solution!!!”
There is no solution. There will always be players that try to exploit the game mechanics for any advantage.
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@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
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@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
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@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.
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@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.
Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?
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@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.
Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?
How hard is it to understand that it's easier to adjust to movement, than it is for you to get your pitch nterface interrupt.
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@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.
Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?
How hard is it to understand that it's easier to adjust to movement, than it is for you to get your pitch nterface interrupt.
It’s not asking too much to make a pitcher come set. Jesus Christ. You can’t make your argument about “real baseball” then turn around and say it’s ok for pitchers to be able to morph a ball through their torso.
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@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Allow only One Press of R2 PER AT Pitch at 3 seconds your choice.
This will satisfy both sides....
Side One (Your not going to quick pitch me clan) They can slow down the at bat by 3 seconds whatever you choose.
Side Two (messing with my PPP or other pitching clan) once they see that they pressed R2 they know it can’t happen again that at bat so they don’t have to worry.
My suggestion is to delay the pitch selection by 2 or 3 seconds. Once the pitch is selected other user can not use R2
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@thongypu_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
For ppp can you not simply press L1 like with meter pitching? Because if someone does r2 and it messes up my location I step off the mound.
Frankly now that I see the icon it doesn't affect me like it did last year.Also, I'd like the pitchers pitches just automatically flashed between pitches because again people like me legit forget. First pitch of each at bat should automatically be delayed by enough time for me to see how you pitched me last time.
You can only step off 3 times in an inning
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Allow only One Press of R2 PER AT Pitch at 3 seconds your choice.
This will satisfy both sides....
Side One (Your not going to quick pitch me clan) They can slow down the at bat by 3 seconds whatever you choose.
Side Two (messing with my PPP or other pitching clan) once they see that they pressed R2 they know it can’t happen again that at bat so they don’t have to worry.
My suggestion is to delay the pitch selection by 2 or 3 seconds. Once the pitch is selected other user can not use R2
If you are not going to make changes to R2 please allow pitcher to step off mound if other user is pressing R2.That’s a whole lot more work than just making R2 a one time thing per at bat.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@thongypu_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
For ppp can you not simply press L1 like with meter pitching? Because if someone does r2 and it messes up my location I step off the mound.
Frankly now that I see the icon it doesn't affect me like it did last year.Also, I'd like the pitchers pitches just automatically flashed between pitches because again people like me legit forget. First pitch of each at bat should automatically be delayed by enough time for me to see how you pitched me last time.
You can only step off 3 times in an inning
Didn't know that. Thanks and I'm glad that has a limit too lol
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@spc_garza_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@hoffsdrawlar_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
R2 is simply the batter holding up his hand in the batters box for the umpire to slow down the pitcher until he is ready, so it most definitely has a purpose in this game. I use R2 but only to see confidence or check patterns. I will use it occasionally for quick pitching, which I am guilty of sometimes also. I have not seen anyone hold R2 as others are saying, however, I have seen numerous players try and speed through pitching when I have players on base to try and cheese me. This is a much bigger problem than holding R2 in my experience. Turn balks on and R2 off and the problem is solved.
Excellent that’s why I suggested 3 seconds to hold R2 once per at bat to simulate this hands up to ump that happens in real life. You explained it much better than me.
My question is do you use Pin Point pitching? I do and many others do and I would say about half of the people I play when they figure out that I am using PPP press R2 multiple times an at bat to try to mess me up.
I use meter but I know how to hit corners and hit my spots, People still use R2 to try and mess up timing. It is annoying and frustrating. People do it even if they are not being quick pitched. i Agree with the 3 seconds but once the pitch is selected R2 should be locked or let me step off the mound as many times as they hold R2 but the just delays the game forever.
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@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@cbpm72_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@maskedgrappler said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@locutusofburg said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@go4stros25_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Respectfully I disagree. A batter needs the option to slow down a pitcher. Your plan would be 3 seconds and then rapid fire pitches every at bat.
There should be a 2 second window before each pitch where the pitcher can't pitch. A pitch every 2 seconds is plenty fast for pace of play, and 2 seconds is long enough to do whatever you want with the r2. It removes the cheese because for those 2 seconds the pitcher won't be able to start their windup and after those 2 seconds the batter can no longer r2. I would almost guarantee the time between most pitches in most online games is ~2 seconds anyway.
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You mean you want a chance to mess up someone’s timing.
You don’t care about slowing down, you want to throw off the pitcher when he is starting delivery.
He wants a 2 second window where you can't throw a pitch. Seems pretty clear to me.
Yesterday an online opponent was pressing R2 before almost every single pitch. I would wait a few seconds after the pressing-R2 icon disappeared to make sure my pitch wasn't going to get f-ed with, and then the icon would pop up again. In other words, they were pressing R2 (for more than 2 seconds), I wouldn't pitch immediately due to R2 having been pressed, and then they would press R2 again. All before one single pitch is thrown. This scenario is indefensible by the 'I need more time' crowd and the 'I'm just looking up information' crowd. There's clear intention to disrupt the pitcher, and I'm certain R2 is used mostly in this way. And it is not baseball, that's 100% clear too. I said to my partner, who dislikes most sports in real life and certainly dislikes sports video games, "There's a feature in the game where you can freeze the pitcher" (and then showed it to him on a vs CPU game) and he sarcastically replied, "Yeah, like you could do that in a real game!" Honestly, this is clear even to baseball outsiders.
It is baseball though. The batter can step out of the box as often as he wants for as long as he wants. That’s r2
That is not true, The ump will tell the batter to get in the box if he is taking to long.
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@hoffsdrawlar_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@yankblan_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Balks only works with runners on base so it ain’t a fix
Its a ball with no one on base
Pitcher does not have to come set pitching from the windup so no balk is ever called. It is only a ball if umpire sees it as a pitcher Quick pitching when batter is not in the box. Only way batter is not in the box in this game is if they call time and time is granted by ump. Also if Ump does not grant the time and is ready the pitcher can pitch in Real baseball.
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I don't understand what people are doing that they need 3 seconds in the box before every pitch.
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@formallyforearms said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
I don't understand what people are doing that they need 3 seconds in the box before every pitch.
Exactly, I have no clue why people need so much time.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@cbpm72_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@maskedgrappler said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@locutusofburg said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@go4stros25_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Respectfully I disagree. A batter needs the option to slow down a pitcher. Your plan would be 3 seconds and then rapid fire pitches every at bat.
There should be a 2 second window before each pitch where the pitcher can't pitch. A pitch every 2 seconds is plenty fast for pace of play, and 2 seconds is long enough to do whatever you want with the r2. It removes the cheese because for those 2 seconds the pitcher won't be able to start their windup and after those 2 seconds the batter can no longer r2. I would almost guarantee the time between most pitches in most online games is ~2 seconds anyway.
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You mean you want a chance to mess up someone’s timing.
You don’t care about slowing down, you want to throw off the pitcher when he is starting delivery.
He wants a 2 second window where you can't throw a pitch. Seems pretty clear to me.
Yesterday an online opponent was pressing R2 before almost every single pitch. I would wait a few seconds after the pressing-R2 icon disappeared to make sure my pitch wasn't going to get f-ed with, and then the icon would pop up again. In other words, they were pressing R2 (for more than 2 seconds), I wouldn't pitch immediately due to R2 having been pressed, and then they would press R2 again. All before one single pitch is thrown. This scenario is indefensible by the 'I need more time' crowd and the 'I'm just looking up information' crowd. There's clear intention to disrupt the pitcher, and I'm certain R2 is used mostly in this way. And it is not baseball, that's 100% clear too. I said to my partner, who dislikes most sports in real life and certainly dislikes sports video games, "There's a feature in the game where you can freeze the pitcher" (and then showed it to him on a vs CPU game) and he sarcastically replied, "Yeah, like you could do that in a real game!" Honestly, this is clear even to baseball outsiders.
It is baseball though. The batter can step out of the box as often as he wants for as long as he wants. That’s r2
That is not true, The ump will tell the batter to get in the box if he is taking to long.
Lol this rarely ever happens. And even when it does the batter still steps out whenever he want.I never said he can step out as long as he likes. I said as often as he likes. Don’t confuse the two to try and prove a point.
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@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:
Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.
R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.
In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.
You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.
Well, it’s not all about you.
Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.
True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?
Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.
Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?
The batter may be able to call time once but he can step his foot outside the box at any time during the at bat before the pitcher becomes set, or before they start their wind up.
Just watch a little league game. The kids step out every pitch and look over at the coach for a sign.
