Take R2ing out of the game.
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@cbpm72_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@rebsfan_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@flamexjd20_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
Turn on balks on, problem solved
WINNER!!!
If R2 is still enabled, no. Get rid of it, I'll come set for 20 minutes as long as I know my pitch isn't being f-ed with.
Agree. Take R2 out but turn balks on.
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@ccbased410_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
I cant speak for everyone because I know theres spammers but I like to know the pitches and try to guess where they'll break so I can hit them
And you have plenty of time to do so. You don’t need to write a dissertation.
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Is this a meter or analog thing more than anything? I have some trying to do it to me on Pinpoint but it just doesn’t work. I let them be idiots, wait for the little symbol to go away and start my motion
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Why cant they just have it so you can tap double down on D-Pad to show pitchers selection and last pitchs thrown to the batter and have a 2 second timer, 2 seconds is more than enough to see the areas they throw unless your blind
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@halfbutt_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@locutusofburg said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@cbpm72_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@cbpm72_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
stop making it sound like ervery1 who uses feature is spamming it.
Probably not but the feature itself is a spam device bearing zero relation to playing a game of baseball so there's no getting around that.
I've already agreed to that but so is quick pitching and nobody wants to acknowlege that. I have said if someone is quick pitching i'm gonna spam R2 only time i do it.
So what is the difference in the 2 arguements? Limit use of both istead of punishing 1 side by removing a feature when used correctly could be helpful and not doing anything about the other. That's where problem lies.
The difference in the two arguments is that 'quick-pitching' (which can mean a few different things in this context) isn't actually a problem the same way R2 even existing is a problem. By that I mean that a faster pace of pitching is something that actually happens in baseball and the batter has a few different ways of dealing with it. On the other hand, R2 is what...magic? I know we're talking about a virtual video game and it obviously isn't real but R2 is zero percent about playing baseball, and it's true purpose is obviously about affecting the pitcher in a way that can't be answered. Pressed several times during an at-bat, pressed when pitches are selected (which can't be undone). It's an egregiously one-sided, completely baseless-in-reality feature which 99.9% of frequent users abuse. There are other ways to display the information found when pressing R2, and probably more appropriate times in the gameplay for that information to be visible. You've admitted yourself that you spam the feature when you don't like the pace of play, so it's an abuse of a feature all the same, even if you feel justified because you don't like the pace. Certainly the two sides are not of equivalent standing because R2 is unrealistic and there is no answer back from the pitching side.
Quick pitching "IS" a problem if selecting pitch fast prevents people who are batting from using the tools that batters are given at thier disposal. Which is what quick pitching does. Plain and simple both are bad if spammed there is no in between. I don't understand how people can defend one and complain about other when both are a problem when spammed.
Tools? After each pitch? Do you need to draw up a mathematical equation to determine where the next pitch is going to be?
This here is the problem. The guy explained his point of view, and you disregard it because you don’t agree (and made a low key jab at him as well).
He doesn’t want to race through the game as fast as you do. Don’t be an a$$. Just slow down your pitching half a second.
99% of the R2 spammers arent trying to get you to slow down pitchs , Theyre trying to make you mess up the motion/analog timing so you throw accident;y throw a changup or fastball near the middle
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@imbeater_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
Why is this in the game? Someone from SDS explain this? Why not just always have the pitches show in screen. Just be honest you leave stuff like this in here to cater into the losers that want to play cheesy.
Okay, at least hear me out here. I think that R2 should stay in the game. People that complain about quick pitching are literally trolls and it's quite possibly the lamest excuse to keep this in the game. It's not like you are at a complete disadvantage if someone throws quicker because they want the game to go by faster. I think that if not used after every single pitch, it's really nice to see how the current at-bat is going, and how the previous at-bat went with a certain player. Also, sometimes you don't really catch which pitches a pitcher has, so you can see that, as well as their pitch speeds. Even sometimes I hold it if I'm struggling and I'm trying to throw my guy out of rhythm.(Don't crucify me, I only will do it for a couple of pitches later in the game)
When you're using pinpoint and someone holds it/ spamming it, and it screws up your pitch input, that is complete bs, but I'm not really sure that you can counter that. Basically, it's pretty useful when it's not abused, but the problem is that a lot of people abuse it because they like to see the world burn, no matter what their lame excuse for doing it is.
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I don’t know guys. R2 was an issue before we just didn’t know it because you couldn’t see it. I think that the add of pinpoint pitching has made it a lot harder to reset as a batter when a pitcher starts dotting pitches that would never have dotted as consistently in past games. When you speed it up as a pitcher the batter needs to take a quick step out. Better than R2 in terms of eliminating it all together. I’ve been fortunate to play against some great competitors so far and have needed to step out/R2 with let’s say bases loaded, 2 outs , 2 strikes to get composed. Honestly, the couple who abused it I just waited on and threw as soon as the red icon disappeared. Hasn’t really disrupted my rhythm to be honest - it I haven’t played straight cheese either. To be fair, practically every online game has been events for me so far so RS may make me amend this entire post. We’ll see.
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so based on my experience so far... the worst R2 offenders vs me seem to be xbox users
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
Bunt dancing was started b/c people were constantly throwing in dirt or out of zone. There was a year where you could hit anything with a bunt. So when people started constantly throwing out of zone people would bunt dance as a msg "Get pitches in zone or i'm bunting every pitch!" that is why it was started. So if you see people bunt dancing they are probabally saying get it close to zone.
I can’t say I can completely agree to your take on bunt dancing, but I can see your side being a thing in the lower levels of the game though. I’ve never seen someone bunt dance because the opponent wasn’t throwing strikes, because in upper divisions people won’t swing at them and take the walk, then easily mercy them if they continually throw balls. When bunt dancing became a thing the only time I would see people use it was when a key pitch was being thrown and they would use it to shade the analog input to try and get a mistake, this is the exact same thing many people will try and do with r2 as well. Also the bunt dancing issue is 90% YouTube and streamers faults for this becoming a thing. People watch their videos and see them get frustrated and annoyed when someone does this, Fuzzy is probably the most responsible for it becoming a thing, so people watch them get mad about it and they think it’s cute and funny to do it to their opponent cause they imagine them reacting this way.
The problem is with r2 is that there should not be a way where your opponent can affect your input in any way. That’s the biggest problem with r2. I posted just before the post you responded to about how simple fixes could address this. Eliminate r2, make what is displayed during r2 visible the the whole time cause it affects nothing visually to have that additional info, create a 2 second input freeze on the pitcher when he’s on the rubber before each pitch, this solves your quick pitching and quick pitching the the pitcher points, and never ever, EVER, bring back balks. The lag in the game would cause way to many balks to happen and would add 20+ minutes to a game.
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I miss that guy last year that aggressively complained about eliminating that little practice swing you get once an AB by pressing X
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I believe I accidentally messed up somebody in BR. I pressed R2 to check where I was being pitch in the current AB and the speed of the fastball and ended up hitting a sinker high and in for a homerun. If this person reads this post: I’m sorry dude if I screwed you. I didn’t mean to do it
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@cccstunna30_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
Bunt dancing was started b/c people were constantly throwing in dirt or out of zone. There was a year where you could hit anything with a bunt. So when people started constantly throwing out of zone people would bunt dance as a msg "Get pitches in zone or i'm bunting every pitch!" that is why it was started. So if you see people bunt dancing they are probabally saying get it close to zone.
I can’t say I can completely agree to your take on bunt dancing, but I can see your side being a thing in the lower levels of the game though. I’ve never seen someone bunt dance because the opponent wasn’t throwing strikes, because in upper divisions people won’t swing at them and take the walk, then easily mercy them if they continually throw balls. When bunt dancing became a thing the only time I would see people use it was when a key pitch was being thrown and they would use it to shade the analog input to try and get a mistake, this is the exact same thing many people will try and do with r2 as well. Also the bunt dancing issue is 90% YouTube and streamers faults for this becoming a thing. People watch their videos and see them get frustrated and annoyed when someone does this, Fuzzy is probably the most responsible for it becoming a thing, so people watch them get mad about it and they think it’s cute and funny to do it to their opponent cause they imagine them reacting this way.
The problem is with r2 is that bolded textthere should not be a way where your opponent can affect your input in any way. That’s the biggest problembolded text with r2. I posted just before the post you responded to about how simple fixes could address this. Eliminate r2, make what is displayed during r2 visible the the whole time cause it affects nothing visually to have that additional info, create a 2 second input freeze on the pitcher when he’s on the rubber before each pitch, this solves your quick pitching and quick pitching the the pitcher points, and never ever, EVER, bring back balks. The lag in the game would cause way to many balks to happen and would add 20+ minutes to a game.
The bunt dancing i was referring too was before divisione were even a thing. I've been to the higher levels before i am well aware. I don't know why people do it now. I've already said this.
I'm ok with having pitches displayed all the time if that is why they are are pressing R2. But niether side should be allowed to effect an input command period it's not just R2 that does it. This is the 4th or 5th time someone has brought up how R2 affects input, but not one of those arguements has acknowleged the fact that quick pitching does same thing to the batter.
I'm done with convo, if this is the direction people want to go with competitive then hell with it you guys can have the mode. I'm tired of watching MP go down the tube over last 5 or 6 years.
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Who cares really, if I notice someone doing it, I just sit there until they finish before I throw, I can do it all game. Up to them if they wanna waste their time
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@grizzbear55_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
The bunt dancing i was referring too was before divisione were even a thing. I've been to the higher levels before i am well aware. I don't know why people do it now. I've already said this.
I'm ok with having pitches displayed all the time if that is why they are are pressing R2. But niether side should be allowed to effect an input command period it's not just R2 that does it. This is the 4th or 5th time someone has brought up how R2 affects input, but not one of those arguements has acknowleged the fact that quick pitching does same thing to the batter.
I'm done with convo, if this is the direction people want to go with competitive then hell with it you guys can have the mode. I'm tired of watching MP go down the tube over last 5 or 6 years.
I don’t understand how you seem so upset over my post I literally answered and came up with a fix for both sides in my response. If you got upset about me saying higher levels, I wasn’t saying you weren’t a good player but I guess that’s what got under your skin?
I answered why people do it now, because of YouTube and twitch and people seeing it get under people’s skin makes them want to do it to annoy their opponent.
I said no one should be able to affect another users input, that goes for both sides, which is why I responded to both issues of that with a fix, eliminate R2 and have the info displayed the whole time, and when the pitcher steps on the rubber (when pitching options open up) there is a 2 second freeze on pitching inputs, you won’t get quick pitched or not have the option to sub out your pitcher.
I came up with a fix for both sides, solved R2 and solved your issue with people quick pitching you. Your entire response was answered in the post you were responding to, so did you even bother to read it or skimmed through it, saw something you didn’t like and decided to go off and say your done with the mode, even though I had a solution to your problem?
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@cccstunna30_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@grizzbear55_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
The bunt dancing i was referring too was before divisione were even a thing. I've been to the higher levels before i am well aware. I don't know why people do it now. I've already said this.
I'm ok with having pitches displayed all the time if that is why they are are pressing R2. But niether side should be allowed to effect an input command period it's not just R2 that does it. This is the 4th or 5th time someone has brought up how R2 affects input, but not one of those arguements has acknowleged the fact that quick pitching does same thing to the batter.
I'm done with convo, if this is the direction people want to go with competitive then hell with it you guys can have the mode. I'm tired of watching MP go down the tube over last 5 or 6 years.
I don’t understand how you seem so upset over my post I literally answered and came up with a fix for both sides in my response. If you got upset about me saying higher levels, I wasn’t saying you weren’t a good player but I guess that’s what got under your skin?
I answered why people do it now, because of YouTube and twitch and people seeing it get under people’s skin makes them want to do it to annoy their opponent.
I said no one should be able to affect another users input, that goes for both sides, which is why I responded to both issues of that with a fix, eliminate R2 and have the info displayed the whole time, and when the pitcher steps on the rubber (when pitching options open up) there is a 2 second freeze on pitching inputs, you won’t get quick pitched or not have the option to sub out your pitcher.
I came up with a fix for both sides, solved R2 and solved your issue with people quick pitching you. Your entire response was answered in the post you were responding to, so did you even bother to read it or skimmed through it, saw something you didn’t like and decided to go off and say your done with the mode, even though I had a solution to your problem?
I wasn't upset at you at all!
Just this topic and how they are not recognizing both issues only R2. Which leads me to believe the ones pushing so hard to remove it are probabally the Quick pitch spammers and with R2 out of the way they have a new way to cheese.
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I thought that once the pitch was selected or meter started then they couldn’t press R2 anymore. My pitching has never been impacted by it. It tells you when they are pressing it. Just wait. Game may take a few minutes longer. Oh well.
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@silverbullet3519 said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
I thought that once the pitch was selected or meter started then they couldn’t press R2 anymore. My pitching has never been impacted by it. It tells you when they are pressing it. Just wait. Game may take a few minutes longer. Oh well.
Yeah, you're right, we should just let these trigger-fingers flick R2 constantly several times during an at-bat, nothing at all wrong with that at all, it's a lot of fun for everyone to wait until the spasming finger calms down. I'm definitely not pitching when that icon is flickering on and off because who knows what that will do to my pitch.
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@yankblan_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@mathman5072_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
Serious question...is it okay to hold r2 at the beginning of every at bat to see how you were pitched in the previous at bat?
On this same topic, it is nice that you can see when the other player is holding r2. So, you can wait to start your pitch until they stop.
Except some do it as you wind up and if you use PPP, it screws up with your meter and you throw meatballs
First thing, once you begin the analog action for ppp, r2 can no longer be used. So instead of trying to pitch at turbo speed take your time between pitches. If someone is r2 spamming that’s the remedy.
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@killerpresence4 said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@yankblan_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@mathman5072_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
Serious question...is it okay to hold r2 at the beginning of every at bat to see how you were pitched in the previous at bat?
On this same topic, it is nice that you can see when the other player is holding r2. So, you can wait to start your pitch until they stop.
Except some do it as you wind up and if you use PPP, it screws up with your meter and you throw meatballs
First thing, once you begin the analog action for ppp, r2 can no longer be used. So instead of trying to pitch at turbo speed take your time between pitches. If someone is r2 spamming that’s the remedy.
Not true; if it’s used during the wind up/pitch specific movement of the sequence, the pull down part doesn’t respond and it’s either a ball in the backstop, a beanball or a fat one down the middle.
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@locutusofburg said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
@ccbased410_psn said in Take R2ing out of the game.:
I cant speak for everyone because I know theres spammers but I like to know the pitches and try to guess where they'll break so I can hit them
And you have plenty of time to do so. You don’t need to write a dissertation.
I'll write whatever the hell I want dude
