PC culture rewrites history.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
She never claimed to. Ever. And I didn't go find someone for an opinion, we are literally married and I gave you insight to what she thinks on the topic. I mean you should really step back and listen to yourself right now.
In fairness that is how you were putting her opinion across so I suggest you step back and listen to yourself right now.
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@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Maybe they didn’t feel the need to say way because they were hoping most of there audience weren’t bigots and would have some understanding of cultural sensitivity.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
She never claimed to. Ever. And I didn't go find someone for an opinion, we are literally married and I gave you insight to what she thinks on the topic. Thanks for letting everyone know her opinion on her own culture doesn't matter but you get to speak for her. I mean you should really step back and listen to yourself right now.
So just ignore all the protests every year against that mascot Washington Football Teams old name right? The ones by actual groups of natives, not the white people trying to play superhero and speak for everyone. Your wife is totally entitled to her opinion to not be offended and noone should be able to tell her whether or not to be offended but that doesn't mean it is not offensive to the group as a majority.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
She never claimed to. Ever. And I didn't go find someone for an opinion, we are literally married and I gave you insight to what she thinks on the topic. Thanks for letting everyone know her opinion on her own culture doesn't matter but you get to speak for her. I mean you should really step back and listen to yourself right now.
"You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf"
Hmmm... does seem like you're tying to imply that because your wife is indigenous and not offended, then it's not an issue. Either that, or you're not making a point relevant the the discussion at hand.
I'm not speaking for anyone but I get the impression you don't really care to read in a haste to argue with anyone who challenges your view (either real or imagined). Oddly enough, I didn't even take a position on the matter, aside from your argument is logically flawed.
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@the_bad_seed85 said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
She never claimed to. Ever. And I didn't go find someone for an opinion, we are literally married and I gave you insight to what she thinks on the topic. I mean you should really step back and listen to yourself right now.
In fairness that is how you were putting her opinion across so I suggest you step back and listen to yourself right now.
No I didn't. Informed you of her opinion of indian related cartoons and sports teams and that she is tried of people being offended on her behalf. Then you literally decided the marginalize her because her opinion didn't align with how you want her to think. That's the ironic part of this.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@the_bad_seed85 said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
She never claimed to. Ever. And I didn't go find someone for an opinion, we are literally married and I gave you insight to what she thinks on the topic. I mean you should really step back and listen to yourself right now.
In fairness that is how you were putting her opinion across so I suggest you step back and listen to yourself right now.
No I didn't. Informed you of her opinion of indian related cartoons and sports teams and that she is tried of people being offended on her behalf. Then you literally decided the marginalize her because her opinion didn't align with how you want her to think. That's the ironic part of this.
The only irony here is that it's not ironic.
I also don't think you understand what marginalized means.
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@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
True, but I'd imagine most don't give a you know what. My dad is indian, and thus I have a lot of that in me as well and neither of us care either way.
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These comments hurt my feelings
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Find something on twitter somebody isn’t offended by and I would be shocked. The internet didn’t make stupid people it just gave them a microphone.
As for the original premise of this thread I can see it both ways. First off, who cares. Secondly, they could have just left it out.
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@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@the_bad_seed85 said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
She never claimed to. Ever. And I didn't go find someone for an opinion, we are literally married and I gave you insight to what she thinks on the topic. I mean you should really step back and listen to yourself right now.
In fairness that is how you were putting her opinion across so I suggest you step back and listen to yourself right now.
No I didn't. Informed you of her opinion of indian related cartoons and sports teams and that she is tried of people being offended on her behalf. Then you literally decided the marginalize her because her opinion didn't align with how you want her to think. That's the ironic part of this.
The only irony here is that it's not ironic.
I also don't think you understand what marginalized means.
Dude...
mar·gin·al·ize
verb
treat (a person, group, or concept) as insignificant or peripheral.
"attempts to marginalize those who disagree"Exactly what your response was. You're welcome.
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I've never been able to figure out what's worse.
The snowflakes who get offended by everything or the other snowflakes who get offended by someone being offended by something.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
If we want the game to be historically accurate, then make it so players like Babe Ruth, Walter Johnson and others can't play on a team with African American players. That's historically accurate, right? Let's also add tobacco to the game. Any baseball video game without tons of tobacco is wildly inaccurate to history.
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@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@the_bad_seed85 said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
She never claimed to. Ever. And I didn't go find someone for an opinion, we are literally married and I gave you insight to what she thinks on the topic. I mean you should really step back and listen to yourself right now.
In fairness that is how you were putting her opinion across so I suggest you step back and listen to yourself right now.
No I didn't. Informed you of her opinion of indian related cartoons and sports teams and that she is tried of people being offended on her behalf. Then you literally decided the marginalize her because her opinion didn't align with how you want her to think. That's the ironic part of this.
The only irony here is that it's not ironic.
I also don't think you understand what marginalized means.
Dude...
mar·gin·al·ize
verb
treat (a person, group, or concept) as insignificant or peripheral.
"attempts to marginalize those who disagree"Exactly what your response was. You're welcome.
How did I treat any class of people as insignificant?
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I had to cut this from a prior edit because it seems like you don't seem to get it.
To be crystal clear:
- You stated your wife's opinion that she doesn't think it's an issue, and wanted to validate it on the basis she's indigenous.
Two options here, either:
- You're asserting her view invalidates views other indigenous people have that it is offensive. Or
- You're saying she's indigenous, not offended, but that doesn't invalidate those who are.
One is an appeal to authority which is made worse that you define the class of "authority" as being indigenous, but deny indigenous people from that class. The second is nothing more than a red herring, because you don't take a position at all.
There's the possibility you deny that there's a non-trivial number of indigenous people who ARE offended, but then you're just an ignorant [censored].
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@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@the_bad_seed85 said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
She never claimed to. Ever. And I didn't go find someone for an opinion, we are literally married and I gave you insight to what she thinks on the topic. I mean you should really step back and listen to yourself right now.
In fairness that is how you were putting her opinion across so I suggest you step back and listen to yourself right now.
No I didn't. Informed you of her opinion of indian related cartoons and sports teams and that she is tried of people being offended on her behalf. Then you literally decided the marginalize her because her opinion didn't align with how you want her to think. That's the ironic part of this.
The only irony here is that it's not ironic.
I also don't think you understand what marginalized means.
Dude...
mar·gin·al·ize
verb
treat (a person, group, or concept) as insignificant or peripheral.
"attempts to marginalize those who disagree"Exactly what your response was. You're welcome.
How did I treat any class of people as insignificant?
People like this guy are always the same, the want to be able to say whatever offensive racist [censored] they want but when someone tells them they are wrong it's all like "whoa why so aggressive?". The only way they know how to argue is by gaslighting bs
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@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
I had to cut this from a prior edit because it seems like you don't seem to get it.
To be crystal clear:
- You stated your wife's opinion that she doesn't think it's an issue, and wanted to validate it on the basis she's indigenous.
Two options here, either:
- You're asserting her view invalidates views other indigenous people have that it is offensive. Or
- You're saying she's indigenous, not offended, but that doesn't invalidate those who are.
One is an appeal to authority which is made worse that you define the class of "authority" as being indigenous, but deny indigenous people from that class. The second is nothing more than a red herring, because you don't take a position at all.
There's the possibility you deny that there's a non-trivial number of indigenous people who ARE offended, but then you're just an ignorant [censored].
Nice, I think we are done here.
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@kovz88_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
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@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
She never claimed to. Ever. And I didn't go find someone for an opinion, we are literally married and I gave you insight to what she thinks on the topic. I mean you should really step back and listen to yourself right now.
In fairness that is how you were putting her opinion across so I suggest you step back and listen to yourself right now.
No I didn't. Informed you of her opinion of indian related cartoons and sports teams and that she is tried of people being offended on her behalf. Then you literally decided the marginalize her because her opinion didn't align with how you want her to think. That's the ironic part of this.
The only irony here is that it's not ironic.
I also don't think you understand what marginalized means.
Dude...
mar·gin·al·ize
verb
treat (a person, group, or concept) as insignificant or peripheral.
"attempts to marginalize those who disagree"Exactly what your response was. You're welcome.
How did I treat any class of people as insignificant?
People like this guy are always the same, the want to be able to say whatever offensive racist [censored] they want but when someone tells them they are wrong it's all like "whoa why so aggressive?". The only way they know how to argue is by gaslighting bs
TBH I think it would go a long way to disambiguate racist from being ignorant. I think the connotations of being labelled a racist end up making people defensive and halting any sort of constructive exchange.
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@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@kovz88_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@the_bad_seed85 said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@duiaintez_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@notoriousheb_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@bigfes902_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
@x-alec_j-x_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Just FYI -- The "Throwback" 1989 Cleveland Indians uniforms -- which are famous because of the "Major League" movie franchise -- are not accurate in the game.
I get that SDS would never use the real logo that appeared on that uniforms hat -- Its a dang logo but it might offend someone. God forbid. (Or it may be banned from official use by the MLB for all i know)
BUT THEN DONT INCLUDE THE UNIFORM.
Rewriting history by CHANGING the uniform and including a version that NEVER EXISTED is is dishonest.
Either include the whole uniform as it existed or dont....but changing it and then using it to make money while never mentioning that its not really the 1989 uniform is dishonest..
If you cant use the logo because of MLB rules...just say so. If you did it because of your own sensibilities...have the guts to say that too.
Or just dont use a uniform that is not acceptable to current standards.
People deserve better than to be spoon fed, a sanitized, fake version of baseball.
IMHO
Natives deserve better than being a mascot. [censored] you, how about that?
Do you also protest Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Their logo is a cartoon caricature drawing of a funny looking short squatting irishman with two fists up...
I'm Irish and I'm not upset by it, you know why? It's a cartoon caricature.
You know who isn't upset about indian team names and logos? My wife who is native american. Why? Because it's a cartoon, and she's tried of people being offended on her behalf.
The fact is they did alter history, if they don't want it in the game then just don't put those uniforms in the game... That simple. But re-designing their old uniforms? That's messed up and next level historical revision.
Finding someone who has indigenous heritage who isn't offended doesn't mean she doesn't get to speak on behalf of all of them.
She never claimed to. Ever. And I didn't go find someone for an opinion, we are literally married and I gave you insight to what she thinks on the topic. I mean you should really step back and listen to yourself right now.
In fairness that is how you were putting her opinion across so I suggest you step back and listen to yourself right now.
No I didn't. Informed you of her opinion of indian related cartoons and sports teams and that she is tried of people being offended on her behalf. Then you literally decided the marginalize her because her opinion didn't align with how you want her to think. That's the ironic part of this.
The only irony here is that it's not ironic.
I also don't think you understand what marginalized means.
Dude...
mar·gin·al·ize
verb
treat (a person, group, or concept) as insignificant or peripheral.
"attempts to marginalize those who disagree"Exactly what your response was. You're welcome.
How did I treat any class of people as insignificant?
People like this guy are always the same, the want to be able to say whatever offensive racist [censored] they want but when someone tells them they are wrong it's all like "whoa why so aggressive?". The only way they know how to argue is by gaslighting bs
TBH I think it would go a long way to disambiguate racist from being ignorant. I think the connotations of being labelled a racist end up making people defensive and halting any sort of constructive exchange.
Yah you are right, most of the time it isn't actually people being malicious, it's just a lack of knowledge on a subject causes ignorant statements. So can agree I do need to be better about which word I use in the future
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Mods can we shut this thread down. This is to devolve very quickly.
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@dirtybob007_psn said in PC culture rewrites history.:
Mods can we shut this thread down. This is to devolve very quickly.
The original post was the epitome of devolution.
