HOF:2021 has empty class as Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds fall short
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@ChuckCLC said in HOF:2021 has empty class as Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds fall short:
no one else even in the ball park.
I see what you did there
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Kenesaw Mountain Landis was extremely fortunate social media did not exist back when he was inducted.
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@tybud said in HOF:2021 has empty class as Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds fall short:
As soon as A-Rod is eligible, all the steroid guys will get in.
We will see come this time next year. I'm really interested to see how much support A-Rod and Ortiz get next year from the voters. The big difference between them and Bonds/Clemens/Sosa is that the Media actually likes A-Rod and Papi
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Bonds, Clemens, Ramirez, Sosa, Sheffield, McGwire, Palmeiro....all not in due to steroid use or heavy association with use. I'm not sure how A-Rod or Papi could be justified in being selected. In Ortiz's case, Manfred has helped cast some doubt on the legitimacy of the positive test, which could possibly help his case.
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@stewart1465 said in HOF:2021 has empty class as Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds fall short:
Bonds, Clemens, Ramirez, Sosa, Sheffield, McGwire, Palmeiro....all not in due to steroid use or heavy association with use.
All not in yet
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They all deserve to be in. We have players in that should not be if you talking about a substance of any kind to help your play on the field. What they used before Roids was Greenies. Lets punish players for using Roids which baseball knew it was being used and turned a blind eye and did nothing about it. The Hall of Fame can make shrines of players from different times based on bad characters and players who had no integrity . Not all HOF players had good character or had perfect integrity. Hank Aaron is known to have used Greenies as have others. Writers back then either had no idea or did not care. Roids was important for baseball after the 94 strike. Where would baseball be without those years of Sosa, McGwire, Bonds in the Mid late 90's. I believe it is what brought fans back. Brought in lots of revenue to baseball after the strike in 94. Bonds and Clemens would differently have been in with out the Roids and Palmeiro was on his way as well. I think McGwire overall numbers are boarder line HOF.
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@dbarmonstar said in HOF:2021 has empty class as Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds fall short:
They all deserve to be in. We have players in that should not be if you talking about a substance of any kind to help your play on the field. What they used before Roids was Greenies. Lets punish players for using Roids which baseball knew it was being used and turned a blind eye and did nothing about it. The Hall of Fame can make shrines of players from different times based on bad characters and players who had no integrity . Not all HOF players had good character or had perfect integrity. Hank Aaron is known to have used Greenies as have others. Writers back then either had no idea or did not care. Roids was important for baseball after the 94 strike. Where would baseball be without those years of Sosa, McGwire, Bonds in the Mid late 90's. I believe it is what brought fans back. Brought in lots of revenue to baseball after the strike in 94. Bonds and Clemens would differently have been in with out the Roids and Palmeiro was on his way as well. I think McGwire overall numbers are boarder line HOF.
I agree completely. I just want some consistency among the voters. There are plenty already in the Hall that used some sort of substance to improve their game. Either all the deserving ones are in, or they are all out. If Selig actually enforced testing for steroid use and they still got caught using(I'm looking at Manny Ramirez here), then I don't have a problem with them not being in the Hall. What basically happened was that Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa saved the game of baseball and Bud Selig and the HOF said F you instead of thank you. The Hall of fame is a museum of the history of the game and its without some of the best and most important players in that game's history(Bonds, Clemens, Rose, and Shoeless Joe in particular).
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@the_dragon1912 said in HOF:2021 has empty class as Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds fall short:
@dbarmonstar said in HOF:2021 has empty class as Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds fall short:
They all deserve to be in. We have players in that should not be if you talking about a substance of any kind to help your play on the field. What they used before Roids was Greenies. Lets punish players for using Roids which baseball knew it was being used and turned a blind eye and did nothing about it. The Hall of Fame can make shrines of players from different times based on bad characters and players who had no integrity . Not all HOF players had good character or had perfect integrity. Hank Aaron is known to have used Greenies as have others. Writers back then either had no idea or did not care. Roids was important for baseball after the 94 strike. Where would baseball be without those years of Sosa, McGwire, Bonds in the Mid late 90's. I believe it is what brought fans back. Brought in lots of revenue to baseball after the strike in 94. Bonds and Clemens would differently have been in with out the Roids and Palmeiro was on his way as well. I think McGwire overall numbers are boarder line HOF.
I agree completely. I just want some consistency among the voters. There are plenty already in the Hall that used some sort of substance to improve their game. Either all the deserving ones are in, or they are all out. If Selig actually enforced testing for steroid use and they still got caught using(I'm looking at Manny Ramirez here), then I don't have a problem with them not being in the Hall. What basically happened was that Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa saved the game of baseball and Bud Selig and the HOF said F you instead of thank you. The Hall of fame is a museum of the history of the game and its without some of the best and most important players in that game's history(Bonds, Clemens, Rose, and Shoeless Joe in particular).
I could not agree more with you. Very well said. That is exactly what Selig did . Shoeless Joe should be in one of my favorite movies Eight Men Out. Pete Rose should be in as well as a player.
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@the_dragon1912 said in HOF:2021 has empty class as Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds fall short:
@dbarmonstar said in HOF:2021 has empty class as Curt Schilling, Barry Bonds fall short:
They all deserve to be in. We have players in that should not be if you talking about a substance of any kind to help your play on the field. What they used before Roids was Greenies. Lets punish players for using Roids which baseball knew it was being used and turned a blind eye and did nothing about it. The Hall of Fame can make shrines of players from different times based on bad characters and players who had no integrity . Not all HOF players had good character or had perfect integrity. Hank Aaron is known to have used Greenies as have others. Writers back then either had no idea or did not care. Roids was important for baseball after the 94 strike. Where would baseball be without those years of Sosa, McGwire, Bonds in the Mid late 90's. I believe it is what brought fans back. Brought in lots of revenue to baseball after the strike in 94. Bonds and Clemens would differently have been in with out the Roids and Palmeiro was on his way as well. I think McGwire overall numbers are boarder line HOF.
I agree completely. I just want some consistency among the voters. There are plenty already in the Hall that used some sort of substance to improve their game. Either all the deserving ones are in, or they are all out. If Selig actually enforced testing for steroid use and they still got caught using(I'm looking at Manny Ramirez here), then I don't have a problem with them not being in the Hall. What basically happened was that Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa saved the game of baseball and Bud Selig and the HOF said F you instead of thank you. The Hall of fame is a museum of the history of the game and its without some of the best and most important players in that game's history(Bonds, Clemens, Rose, and Shoeless Joe in particular).
I just read Shoeless Joe Jackson is in the Indians HOF
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Bonds deserves to be in the HOF, never tested positive for PEDs. If being a [censored] made you ineligible then 1/2 the players wouldn't be there
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