I hear you 😁
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@formallyforearms said in I hear you
:@jjsmith605 said in I hear you
:... Lebron needs to use his platform for more than fanning the flame too. He spends a lot of time and money helping people, but then goes and hurts them mentally by acting as if police and white people are hunting black people. Creates a massive mistrust and divide among people, and it is just blatantly not true.
Ahmaud Arbery was hunted by white people. Elijah McClain was harassed by police while walking and listening to music. He died from that encounter. Officers even posed for smiling pictures later that night.
Those are a couple off the top of my head from recently that give a justifiable fear to some.
Unfortunately this is reality for some people. Tell me what person of color would not feel nervous beyond belief if a cop pulled them over right now??
EDIT: this was supposed to be response to the Lebron comment
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Good thing we don’t have darth k dog here...he would being going off on white lives and how they matter...he has done that thousands of times
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I have some thoughts after reading through some of the things posted here.
-Protests have been highly effective, historically speaking.
-Athletes make exactly what the free market says they should make.
-Being successful does not diminish one's argument.
-Criticizing individuals who advocate for change on an issue for not advocating on every issue simultaneously is ridiculous.
-Getting the police to not use excessive force should not require civilians following them around on the job.
-Anyone saying that protests are going to stop them from being fans is lying. Every sport, including NASCAR, if that even qualifies as a sport, is doing this. Enjoy the bowling on ESPN 8, I guess.
-Why is it so hard for people to admit that their world view is not perfect and may, in the light of overwhelming evidence, need some amending?
-The amount division in this country is very disheartening. The president has made it worse, but he is a symptom of the lack of properly funding public education that teaches civic values and critical thinking, as well as people living in separate realities because of media echo chambers.Here is my challenge to everyone. Consider the concerns of the other side and try to understand them. Expose yourself to different media. Fact check. Do not judge until you know more about the issue. Accept that you may be wrong about some things and that it is okay to adjust your opinions.
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I feel I should share this.
While we’re considering the concerns on all sides, have we considered how police officers feel? I’m going to share two videos...
The first one’s going to show how quickly resisting arrest can escalate, and I’m sure it has been used in different training scenarios for police officers. https://youtu.be/_BZkxLQ6zlk
The second one shows the other camera angle of the Jacob Blake shooting where, after resisting arrest, begins walking back to reach or enter in his vehicle. https://youtu.be/9u9jndrppGM
What is he going to the car for? Is there a weapon? Is he complying with police to have his day in court? Is there about to be a hostage situation if they do nothing? Are the kids in the car in danger knowing a potential felon just successfully resisted arrest?
https://archive.is/YcYRU
He wasn’t just walking back to his car and, oh! Out of nowhere a mean ole cop popped a few caps in him. There’s context to the situation. -
@wingo18 said in I hear you
:I feel I should share this.
While we’re considering the concerns on all sides, have we considered how police officers feel? I’m going to share two videos...
The first one’s going to show how quickly resisting arrest can escalate, and I’m sure it has been used in different training scenarios for police officers. https://youtu.be/_BZkxLQ6zlk
The second one shows the other camera angle of the Jacob Blake shooting where, after resisting arrest, begins walking back to reach or enter in his vehicle. https://youtu.be/9u9jndrppGM
What is he going to the car for? Is there a weapon? Is he complying with police to have his day in court? Is there about to be a hostage situation if they do nothing? Are the kids in the car in danger knowing a potential felon just successfully resisted arrest?
https://archive.is/YcYRU
He wasn’t just walking back to his car and, oh! Out of nowhere a mean ole cop popped a few caps in him. There’s context to the situation.This is the kind of tribal mentality that is hurting the country.
A police shooting happens and, without knowing the facts about the incident, people take sides. I see so much bias on both sides.
Just wait to judge. Both parties involved deserve that. It’s not that difficult to reserve judgment.
I’m withholding judgment, but there are some things we do know. There was no gun in the car. There was a knife in a location not disclosed by the police. Three young children were in the car. A man was shot seven times in the back in front of his children.
What is indisputable is that, generally, force is used on a disproportionately high number of minorities and that needs to change. No need to reserve judgment on that.
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in I hear you
:@wingo18 said in I hear you
:I feel I should share this.
While we’re considering the concerns on all sides, have we considered how police officers feel? I’m going to share two videos...
The first one’s going to show how quickly resisting arrest can escalate, and I’m sure it has been used in different training scenarios for police officers. https://youtu.be/_BZkxLQ6zlk
The second one shows the other camera angle of the Jacob Blake shooting where, after resisting arrest, begins walking back to reach or enter in his vehicle. https://youtu.be/9u9jndrppGM
What is he going to the car for? Is there a weapon? Is he complying with police to have his day in court? Is there about to be a hostage situation if they do nothing? Are the kids in the car in danger knowing a potential felon just successfully resisted arrest?
https://archive.is/YcYRU
He wasn’t just walking back to his car and, oh! Out of nowhere a mean ole cop popped a few caps in him. There’s context to the situation.This is the kind of tribal mentality that is hurting the country.
A police shooting happens and, without knowing the facts about the incident, people take sides. I see so much bias on both sides.
Just wait to judge. Both parties involved deserve that. It’s not that difficult to reserve judgment.
The problem is that we have seen cops use more restraint against white men with weapons who have already murdered people than they do with black people during simple traffic stops
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@Kovz88 said in I hear you
:@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in I hear you
:@wingo18 said in I hear you
:I feel I should share this.
While we’re considering the concerns on all sides, have we considered how police officers feel? I’m going to share two videos...
The first one’s going to show how quickly resisting arrest can escalate, and I’m sure it has been used in different training scenarios for police officers. https://youtu.be/_BZkxLQ6zlk
The second one shows the other camera angle of the Jacob Blake shooting where, after resisting arrest, begins walking back to reach or enter in his vehicle. https://youtu.be/9u9jndrppGM
What is he going to the car for? Is there a weapon? Is he complying with police to have his day in court? Is there about to be a hostage situation if they do nothing? Are the kids in the car in danger knowing a potential felon just successfully resisted arrest?
https://archive.is/YcYRU
He wasn’t just walking back to his car and, oh! Out of nowhere a mean ole cop popped a few caps in him. There’s context to the situation.This is the kind of tribal mentality that is hurting the country.
A police shooting happens and, without knowing the facts about the incident, people take sides. I see so much bias on both sides.
Just wait to judge. Both parties involved deserve that. It’s not that difficult to reserve judgment.
The problem is that we have seen cops use more restraint against white men with weapons who have already murdered people than they do with black people during simple traffic stops
Thats the point right there. the extreme way its handled. Criminals need to be punished and if your a criminal and you put your family at risk that is on you. They wouldn't be involved if you didn't break the law. Yet the white boy who shot down people in a church gets burger king afterwards that the cops bought him. Like you cant be serious
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@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:I know I’ll get banned for this but just wanted to say I’m glad they’re not playing sports. I hope they keep up the boycott honestly. It’s going to hurt the pockets of the people that need to feel it the most. I love sports but right now I DO see how it takes away from what’s actually going on in the world with racial and social injustice. It’s not a good distraction anymore, for me anyway. Just doesn’t feel right enjoying it. Peace and love guys stay safe
I get your sentiment but protesting themselves isn't going to do anything. It's not a real protest. As soon as they were told they would lose money they came right back. If the athletes wanted real change then they would do ride along with officers and make suggestions on police reform. All sides of the arguments are in favor of police reform. They used to do this until the ride along's starting changing the minds of the people doing the protests. Anyways i get where you are coming from but don't agree with your overall premise.
I hear you man. Definitely seems like an insurmountable task and if money is at the forefront than thats on players. How BIG of a statement would it be for say Patrick Mahomes to cut his check up and say no thanks guys im good. I cant play ball while their unrest in my community. And for people to think he wont make millions without football is just silly. He will be fine
You picked the one who could make millions of sj causes. What about the lineman? What about the practice squad guy? what about the security guards at the games? what about the tv people? what about the camera operators? How do the subsidize their livings? Either way, you are missing my point. These athletes aren't wanting change. IF they did then they would do something that would facilitate change. People have tried to get them to have input on the issues that they claim to be about and they don't do it. That is why i mentioned ride alongs with police. They would rather have a viral moment instead. And again protesting themselves would never do anything because again they are only hurting all of those other people...
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@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:I know I’ll get banned for this but just wanted to say I’m glad they’re not playing sports. I hope they keep up the boycott honestly. It’s going to hurt the pockets of the people that need to feel it the most. I love sports but right now I DO see how it takes away from what’s actually going on in the world with racial and social injustice. It’s not a good distraction anymore, for me anyway. Just doesn’t feel right enjoying it. Peace and love guys stay safe
I get your sentiment but protesting themselves isn't going to do anything. It's not a real protest. As soon as they were told they would lose money they came right back. If the athletes wanted real change then they would do ride along with officers and make suggestions on police reform. All sides of the arguments are in favor of police reform. They used to do this until the ride along's starting changing the minds of the people doing the protests. Anyways i get where you are coming from but don't agree with your overall premise.
I hear you man. Definitely seems like an insurmountable task and if money is at the forefront than thats on players. How BIG of a statement would it be for say Patrick Mahomes to cut his check up and say no thanks guys im good. I cant play ball while their unrest in my community. And for people to think he wont make millions without football is just silly. He will be fine
You picked the one who could make millions of sj causes. What about the lineman? What about the practice squad guy? what about the security guards at the games? what about the tv people? what about the camera operators? How do the subsidize their livings? Either way, you are missing my point. These athletes aren't wanting change. IF they did then they would do something that would facilitate change. People have tried to get them to have input on the issues that they claim to be about and they don't do it. That is why i mentioned ride alongs with police. They would rather have a viral moment instead. And again protesting themselves would never do anything because again they are only hurting all of those other people...
I get your point but if the foundation is flawed to begin with and is the problem then all parties need to separate themselves from it. TV people can go in to other media outlets, body guards can body guard something else. Lineman can get jobs as trainers or a long list i dont feel like writing, practice squad guys will have to adapt to the world and pursue another career. If your going to continue to take "the mans" money then you dont have the right to complain. Again who in their right mind thinks Patrick Mahomes is worth 500 million dollars with all this stuff thats going on in the world.(Just using Patrick as an example, feel free to plug in any athlete and their absurd contract)
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@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:I know I’ll get banned for this but just wanted to say I’m glad they’re not playing sports. I hope they keep up the boycott honestly. It’s going to hurt the pockets of the people that need to feel it the most. I love sports but right now I DO see how it takes away from what’s actually going on in the world with racial and social injustice. It’s not a good distraction anymore, for me anyway. Just doesn’t feel right enjoying it. Peace and love guys stay safe
I get your sentiment but protesting themselves isn't going to do anything. It's not a real protest. As soon as they were told they would lose money they came right back. If the athletes wanted real change then they would do ride along with officers and make suggestions on police reform. All sides of the arguments are in favor of police reform. They used to do this until the ride along's starting changing the minds of the people doing the protests. Anyways i get where you are coming from but don't agree with your overall premise.
I hear you man. Definitely seems like an insurmountable task and if money is at the forefront than thats on players. How BIG of a statement would it be for say Patrick Mahomes to cut his check up and say no thanks guys im good. I cant play ball while their unrest in my community. And for people to think he wont make millions without football is just silly. He will be fine
You picked the one who could make millions of sj causes. What about the lineman? What about the practice squad guy? what about the security guards at the games? what about the tv people? what about the camera operators? How do the subsidize their livings? Either way, you are missing my point. These athletes aren't wanting change. IF they did then they would do something that would facilitate change. People have tried to get them to have input on the issues that they claim to be about and they don't do it. That is why i mentioned ride alongs with police. They would rather have a viral moment instead. And again protesting themselves would never do anything because again they are only hurting all of those other people...
I get your point but if the foundation is flawed to begin with and is the problem then all parties need to separate themselves from it. TV people can go in to other media outlets, body guards can body guard something else. Lineman can get jobs as trainers or a long list i dont feel like writing, practice squad guys will have to adapt to the world and pursue another career. If your going to continue to take "the mans" money then you dont have the right to complain. Again who in their right mind thinks Patrick Mahomes is worth 500 million dollars with all this stuff thats going on in the world
so you are saying they shouldn't have the right to make a living doing what they have worked their whole lives to do ? their dreams should be crushed for sj causes? again the causes that will never be addressed because that is how people make money. Do you honestly think the likes of shaun king would ever be satisfied? That is how they make their money.... anyways gotta go...
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@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:I know I’ll get banned for this but just wanted to say I’m glad they’re not playing sports. I hope they keep up the boycott honestly. It’s going to hurt the pockets of the people that need to feel it the most. I love sports but right now I DO see how it takes away from what’s actually going on in the world with racial and social injustice. It’s not a good distraction anymore, for me anyway. Just doesn’t feel right enjoying it. Peace and love guys stay safe
I get your sentiment but protesting themselves isn't going to do anything. It's not a real protest. As soon as they were told they would lose money they came right back. If the athletes wanted real change then they would do ride along with officers and make suggestions on police reform. All sides of the arguments are in favor of police reform. They used to do this until the ride along's starting changing the minds of the people doing the protests. Anyways i get where you are coming from but don't agree with your overall premise.
I hear you man. Definitely seems like an insurmountable task and if money is at the forefront than thats on players. How BIG of a statement would it be for say Patrick Mahomes to cut his check up and say no thanks guys im good. I cant play ball while their unrest in my community. And for people to think he wont make millions without football is just silly. He will be fine
You picked the one who could make millions of sj causes. What about the lineman? What about the practice squad guy? what about the security guards at the games? what about the tv people? what about the camera operators? How do the subsidize their livings? Either way, you are missing my point. These athletes aren't wanting change. IF they did then they would do something that would facilitate change. People have tried to get them to have input on the issues that they claim to be about and they don't do it. That is why i mentioned ride alongs with police. They would rather have a viral moment instead. And again protesting themselves would never do anything because again they are only hurting all of those other people...
I get your point but if the foundation is flawed to begin with and is the problem then all parties need to separate themselves from it. TV people can go in to other media outlets, body guards can body guard something else. Lineman can get jobs as trainers or a long list i dont feel like writing, practice squad guys will have to adapt to the world and pursue another career. If your going to continue to take "the mans" money then you dont have the right to complain. Again who in their right mind thinks Patrick Mahomes is worth 500 million dollars with all this stuff thats going on in the world
Professional athletes make exactly what the market says they should. There is a lot of money in sports.
And, to my knowledge, the first amendment does not have a clause stating that it does not apply to professional athletes or people that take “the man’s money.”
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@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:I know I’ll get banned for this but just wanted to say I’m glad they’re not playing sports. I hope they keep up the boycott honestly. It’s going to hurt the pockets of the people that need to feel it the most. I love sports but right now I DO see how it takes away from what’s actually going on in the world with racial and social injustice. It’s not a good distraction anymore, for me anyway. Just doesn’t feel right enjoying it. Peace and love guys stay safe
I get your sentiment but protesting themselves isn't going to do anything. It's not a real protest. As soon as they were told they would lose money they came right back. If the athletes wanted real change then they would do ride along with officers and make suggestions on police reform. All sides of the arguments are in favor of police reform. They used to do this until the ride along's starting changing the minds of the people doing the protests. Anyways i get where you are coming from but don't agree with your overall premise.
I hear you man. Definitely seems like an insurmountable task and if money is at the forefront than thats on players. How BIG of a statement would it be for say Patrick Mahomes to cut his check up and say no thanks guys im good. I cant play ball while their unrest in my community. And for people to think he wont make millions without football is just silly. He will be fine
You picked the one who could make millions of sj causes. What about the lineman? What about the practice squad guy? what about the security guards at the games? what about the tv people? what about the camera operators? How do the subsidize their livings? Either way, you are missing my point. These athletes aren't wanting change. IF they did then they would do something that would facilitate change. People have tried to get them to have input on the issues that they claim to be about and they don't do it. That is why i mentioned ride alongs with police. They would rather have a viral moment instead. And again protesting themselves would never do anything because again they are only hurting all of those other people...
I get your point but if the foundation is flawed to begin with and is the problem then all parties need to separate themselves from it. TV people can go in to other media outlets, body guards can body guard something else. Lineman can get jobs as trainers or a long list i dont feel like writing, practice squad guys will have to adapt to the world and pursue another career. If your going to continue to take "the mans" money then you dont have the right to complain. Again who in their right mind thinks Patrick Mahomes is worth 500 million dollars with all this stuff thats going on in the world
so you are saying they shouldn't have the right to make a living doing what they have worked their whole lives to do ? their dreams should be crushed for sj causes? again the causes that will never be addressed because that is how people make money. Do you honestly think the likes of shaun king would ever be satisfied? That is how they make their money.... anyways gotta go...
No not at all. Just have to start a new, fresh. The NFL doesn't own football. If tomorrow Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes and some big stars started the Justice Football League im pretty sure plenty of fans and investors would follow. If you get what im saying. And peace out man thanks for the convo
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:I know I’ll get banned for this but just wanted to say I’m glad they’re not playing sports. I hope they keep up the boycott honestly. It’s going to hurt the pockets of the people that need to feel it the most. I love sports but right now I DO see how it takes away from what’s actually going on in the world with racial and social injustice. It’s not a good distraction anymore, for me anyway. Just doesn’t feel right enjoying it. Peace and love guys stay safe
I get your sentiment but protesting themselves isn't going to do anything. It's not a real protest. As soon as they were told they would lose money they came right back. If the athletes wanted real change then they would do ride along with officers and make suggestions on police reform. All sides of the arguments are in favor of police reform. They used to do this until the ride along's starting changing the minds of the people doing the protests. Anyways i get where you are coming from but don't agree with your overall premise.
I hear you man. Definitely seems like an insurmountable task and if money is at the forefront than thats on players. How BIG of a statement would it be for say Patrick Mahomes to cut his check up and say no thanks guys im good. I cant play ball while their unrest in my community. And for people to think he wont make millions without football is just silly. He will be fine
You picked the one who could make millions of sj causes. What about the lineman? What about the practice squad guy? what about the security guards at the games? what about the tv people? what about the camera operators? How do the subsidize their livings? Either way, you are missing my point. These athletes aren't wanting change. IF they did then they would do something that would facilitate change. People have tried to get them to have input on the issues that they claim to be about and they don't do it. That is why i mentioned ride alongs with police. They would rather have a viral moment instead. And again protesting themselves would never do anything because again they are only hurting all of those other people...
I get your point but if the foundation is flawed to begin with and is the problem then all parties need to separate themselves from it. TV people can go in to other media outlets, body guards can body guard something else. Lineman can get jobs as trainers or a long list i dont feel like writing, practice squad guys will have to adapt to the world and pursue another career. If your going to continue to take "the mans" money then you dont have the right to complain. Again who in their right mind thinks Patrick Mahomes is worth 500 million dollars with all this stuff thats going on in the world
Professional athletes make exactly what the market says they should. There is a lot of money in sports.
And, to my knowledge, the first amendment does not have a clause stating that it does not apply to professional athletes or people that do not take “the man’s money.”
Point there is no one should be making that type of money for entertaining. There are still millions of kids in the US that cant even eat and these athletes/actors are making that type of money and then have the audacity to say change is needed. Money talks
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@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:@bwheel1977 said in I hear you
:@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:I know I’ll get banned for this but just wanted to say I’m glad they’re not playing sports. I hope they keep up the boycott honestly. It’s going to hurt the pockets of the people that need to feel it the most. I love sports but right now I DO see how it takes away from what’s actually going on in the world with racial and social injustice. It’s not a good distraction anymore, for me anyway. Just doesn’t feel right enjoying it. Peace and love guys stay safe
I get your sentiment but protesting themselves isn't going to do anything. It's not a real protest. As soon as they were told they would lose money they came right back. If the athletes wanted real change then they would do ride along with officers and make suggestions on police reform. All sides of the arguments are in favor of police reform. They used to do this until the ride along's starting changing the minds of the people doing the protests. Anyways i get where you are coming from but don't agree with your overall premise.
I hear you man. Definitely seems like an insurmountable task and if money is at the forefront than thats on players. How BIG of a statement would it be for say Patrick Mahomes to cut his check up and say no thanks guys im good. I cant play ball while their unrest in my community. And for people to think he wont make millions without football is just silly. He will be fine
You picked the one who could make millions of sj causes. What about the lineman? What about the practice squad guy? what about the security guards at the games? what about the tv people? what about the camera operators? How do the subsidize their livings? Either way, you are missing my point. These athletes aren't wanting change. IF they did then they would do something that would facilitate change. People have tried to get them to have input on the issues that they claim to be about and they don't do it. That is why i mentioned ride alongs with police. They would rather have a viral moment instead. And again protesting themselves would never do anything because again they are only hurting all of those other people...
I get your point but if the foundation is flawed to begin with and is the problem then all parties need to separate themselves from it. TV people can go in to other media outlets, body guards can body guard something else. Lineman can get jobs as trainers or a long list i dont feel like writing, practice squad guys will have to adapt to the world and pursue another career. If your going to continue to take "the mans" money then you dont have the right to complain. Again who in their right mind thinks Patrick Mahomes is worth 500 million dollars with all this stuff thats going on in the world
Professional athletes make exactly what the market says they should. There is a lot of money in sports.
And, to my knowledge, the first amendment does not have a clause stating that it does not apply to professional athletes or people that do not take “the man’s money.”
Point there is no one should be making that type of money for entertaining. There are still millions of kids in the US that cant even eat and these people are making that type of money and then have the audacity to say change is needed. Money talks
If you’re saying the super wealthy should be taxed more to pay for these things, I agree with you.
I just don’t believe it makes sense for someone with a huge platform to leave a league that provides said they platform and already supports their SJ efforts.
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@lazy_toast said in I hear you
:I know I’ll get banned for this but just wanted to say I’m glad they’re not playing sports. I hope they keep up the boycott honestly. It’s going to hurt the pockets of the people that need to feel it the most. I love sports but right now I DO see how it takes away from what’s actually going on in the world with racial and social injustice. It’s not a good distraction anymore, for me anyway. Just doesn’t feel right enjoying it. Peace and love guys stay safe
nickmercs? youve gotta watch nickmercs, peace and love baby
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@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in I hear you
:@wingo18 said in I hear you
:I feel I should share this.
While we’re considering the concerns on all sides, have we considered how police officers feel? I’m going to share two videos...
The first one’s going to show how quickly resisting arrest can escalate, and I’m sure it has been used in different training scenarios for police officers. https://youtu.be/_BZkxLQ6zlk
The second one shows the other camera angle of the Jacob Blake shooting where, after resisting arrest, begins walking back to reach or enter in his vehicle. https://youtu.be/9u9jndrppGM
What is he going to the car for? Is there a weapon? Is he complying with police to have his day in court? Is there about to be a hostage situation if they do nothing? Are the kids in the car in danger knowing a potential felon just successfully resisted arrest?
https://archive.is/YcYRU
He wasn’t just walking back to his car and, oh! Out of nowhere a mean ole cop popped a few caps in him. There’s context to the situation.This is the kind of tribal mentality that is hurting the country.
A police shooting happens and, without knowing the facts about the incident, people take sides. I see so much bias on both sides.
Just wait to judge. Both parties involved deserve that. It’s not that difficult to reserve judgment.
I’m withholding judgment, but there are some things we do know. There was no gun in the car. There was a knife in a location not disclosed by the police. Three young children were in the car. A man was shot seven times in the back in front of his children.
What is indisputable is that, generally, force is used on a disproportionately high number of minorities and that needs to change. No need to reserve judgment on that.
You’re withholding judgement? Me too, hence why I said “potential felon”... Granted God spares his life in this condition. I never said he was guilty. In the US, you’re innocent until proven otherwise, right?
I was merely making a point that we need to make a point to also consider cops as people who have to process the situation. They’re not robots, but they protect and serve. It looks to me they could have allegedly been trying to protect. (I’m sure there will be more evidence and investigation to confirm or debunk this).
This is an example of judgy commentary... “This is the kind of tribal mentality that is hurting the country.”
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@wingo18 said in I hear you
:@Bob_Loblaw1984 said in I hear you
:@wingo18 said in I hear you
:I feel I should share this.
While we’re considering the concerns on all sides, have we considered how police officers feel? I’m going to share two videos...
The first one’s going to show how quickly resisting arrest can escalate, and I’m sure it has been used in different training scenarios for police officers. https://youtu.be/_BZkxLQ6zlk
The second one shows the other camera angle of the Jacob Blake shooting where, after resisting arrest, begins walking back to reach or enter in his vehicle. https://youtu.be/9u9jndrppGM
What is he going to the car for? Is there a weapon? Is he complying with police to have his day in court? Is there about to be a hostage situation if they do nothing? Are the kids in the car in danger knowing a potential felon just successfully resisted arrest?
https://archive.is/YcYRU
He wasn’t just walking back to his car and, oh! Out of nowhere a mean ole cop popped a few caps in him. There’s context to the situation.This is the kind of tribal mentality that is hurting the country.
A police shooting happens and, without knowing the facts about the incident, people take sides. I see so much bias on both sides.
Just wait to judge. Both parties involved deserve that. It’s not that difficult to reserve judgment.
I’m withholding judgment, but there are some things we do know. There was no gun in the car. There was a knife in a location not disclosed by the police. Three young children were in the car. A man was shot seven times in the back in front of his children.
What is indisputable is that, generally, force is used on a disproportionately high number of minorities and that needs to change. No need to reserve judgment on that.
You’re withholding judgement? Me too, hence why I said “potential felon”... Granted God spares his life in this condition. I never said he was guilty. In the US, you’re innocent until proven otherwise, right?
I was merely making a point that we need to make a point to also consider cops as people who have to process the situation. They’re not robots, but they protect and serve. It looks to me they could have allegedly been trying to protect. (I’m sure there will be more evidence and investigation to confirm or debunk this).
This is an example of judgy commentary... “This is the kind of tribal mentality that is hurting the country.”
Read your post again. It is not as objective as you seem to think it is.
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:I know I’ll get banned for this but just wanted to say I’m glad they’re not playing sports. I hope they keep up the boycott honestly. It’s going to hurt the pockets of the people that need to feel it the most. I love sports but right now I DO see how it takes away from what’s actually going on in the world with racial and social injustice. It’s not a good distraction anymore, for me anyway. Just doesn’t feel right enjoying it. Peace and love guys stay safe
I get your sentiment but protesting themselves isn't going to do anything. It's not a real protest. As soon as they were told they would lose money they came right back. If the athletes wanted real change then they would do ride along with officers and make suggestions on police reform. All sides of the arguments are in favor of police reform. They used to do this until the ride along's starting changing the minds of the people doing the protests. Anyways i get where you are coming from but don't agree with your overall premise.
I hear you man. Definitely seems like an insurmountable task and if money is at the forefront than thats on players. How BIG of a statement would it be for say Patrick Mahomes to cut his check up and say no thanks guys im good. I cant play ball while their unrest in my community. And for people to think he wont make millions without football is just silly. He will be fine
You picked the one who could make millions of sj causes. What about the lineman? What about the practice squad guy? what about the security guards at the games? what about the tv people? what about the camera operators? How do the subsidize their livings? Either way, you are missing my point. These athletes aren't wanting change. IF they did then they would do something that would facilitate change. People have tried to get them to have input on the issues that they claim to be about and they don't do it. That is why i mentioned ride alongs with police. They would rather have a viral moment instead. And again protesting themselves would never do anything because again they are only hurting all of those other people...
I get your point but if the foundation is flawed to begin with and is the problem then all parties need to separate themselves from it. TV people can go in to other media outlets, body guards can body guard something else. Lineman can get jobs as trainers or a long list i dont feel like writing, practice squad guys will have to adapt to the world and pursue another career. If your going to continue to take "the mans" money then you dont have the right to complain. Again who in their right mind thinks Patrick Mahomes is worth 500 million dollars with all this stuff thats going on in the world
Professional athletes make exactly what the market says they should. There is a lot of money in sports.
And, to my knowledge, the first amendment does not have a clause stating that it does not apply to professional athletes or people that do not take “the man’s money.”
Point there is no one should be making that type of money for entertaining. There are still millions of kids in the US that cant even eat and these people are making that type of money and then have the audacity to say change is needed. Money talks
If you’re saying the super wealthy should be taxed more to pay for these things, I agree with you.
I just don’t believe it makes sense for someone with a huge platform to leave a league that provides said they platform and already supports their SJ efforts.
That I am sir. How big of a moment would it be if say all the owners got together and started committees for the players to join that actually put the players in front of law makers and legislatures. You know these owners know people and have connections. So we will have a police reform committee, a community reform committee and each player and owner will fund it and be a part of it. Just an example. I do think a public statement from any of them would go a long way as well. Strange how none have yet. Like they are afraid to upset the "club"
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